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BIOS for January works. Fairly stable, no issues in OCCT testing/100 BCLK lock on. Flickering also gone.. even at 6000 CL36 XMP.
Could also be IMC (on CPU), but 12900k will generally be better than 12700K for silicon quality. YMMV.
Edit: Retraining RAM may also help in general. Kinda hard on this board without a CMOS reset button.. Need to hit jumper pin or remove battery.
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I ran a few stress tests and was able to consistently get memtest64 to error out. I thought I had bad memory but decided to do some testing. I removed the XMP profile (which was default settings for XMP) and the errors went away.
Looking at it now I think this may be more related to the crappy bios update and the XMP profile MSI released then faulty memory. It ran fine with the bios it shipped with through a week of solid stress testing. Only started acting up after I updated bios. Ultimately for me, the underclock on memory timings actually gave me higher benchmark scores and the overall difference in performance is so minor it's not worth changing.
One other thing I did with the 12th gen cpu is I replaced the cpu bracket. Bunch of tech tuber videos on how uneven the default brackets are messing with cooling performance. Got the cheap bracket off of Amazon, easy to replace.
Summary: solid MB, solid CPU and memory, no real complaints other than MSI bios and software sucks.
Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070ti
1. I know things should always be updated, but since I am thinking of getting this exact combo, were there any complaints on any downside to not updating the BIOS to leave things alone? That having been said, is it possible a we can simply wait for a future better update to implement than right now? I cant remember the last time I updated my BIOS...
2. Did you do the research and find the 3070 Ti was one of the best bangs for your buck? I think it isn't the latest gen right, so I am not sure how heavy I will need AI tech but will this put a drag on that concept or any other obvious negs to getting it that you found or regretted? Still $500, dang, not sure if it is worth it for me at this point, thats a huge chunk of the system price
Photoshop (also Lightroom) lately has a lot of beta/release features that leverage AI and it does benefit from CUDA cores on Nvidia cards. An example is the Generative AI feature on Photoshop that litterally adds stuff into the selected mask or the new AI Denoise in Lightroom. When I batch process photos in Lightroom and apply AI Denoise it uses 100% of my 4090.
Typically Team Red offers better bang for your buck in terms of Call of Duty performance but for creative content work, Team Green is still better. I can't recommend any 8GB GPU though regardless, it's not going to age well. Tough call since the GPU isn't really for gaming primarily but you're using creative apps that could use CUDA cores for certain features.
Yes I know about that PS AI feature, really cool and about time... cant wait to use it again. That's crazy is stresses your 4090... but as I said above I think even spending $500 is a bit much for me when that is more than these 3 core components combined... maybe I will just get the 3060 Ti and call it a day and upgrade next year when prices come down on whatever, unless this will cause a huge bottleneck on the above? I dont think I can afford to complain about the 8GB unfortunately. At least we have eliminated the red team.
2. Did you do the research and find the 3070 Ti was one of the best bangs for your buck? I think it isn't the latest gen right, so I am not sure how heavy I will need AI tech but will this put a drag on that concept or any other obvious negs to getting it that you found or regretted? Still $500, dang, not sure if it is worth it for me at this point, thats a huge chunk of the system price
Thanks for the awesome reply, u da man... Since I have handled 16GB for so long, with all the updated components I'll deal with the 32GB for now... cant believe in 2023 we still have issues like this.
Yes I know about that PS AI feature, really cool and about time... cant wait to use it again. That's crazy is stresses your 4090... but as I said above I think even spending $500 is a bit much for me when that is more than these 3 core components combined... maybe I will just get the 3060 Ti and call it a day and upgrade next year when prices come down on whatever, unless this will cause a huge bottleneck on the above? I dont think I can afford to complain about the 8GB unfortunately. At least we have eliminated the red team.
regarding GPU, you don't have to spend $500. I went Nvidia for the same reasons above, but paid only $270 for a 3060 with 12GB (evga B stock). the 3060 isn't setting any gaming records, but it's more than enough for my 1920x1200 gaming and the 12GB will come in handy for more than games.
regarding GPU, you don't have to spend $500. I went Nvidia for the same reasons above, but paid only $270 for a 3060 with 12GB (evga B stock). the 3060 isn't setting any gaming records, but it's more than enough for my 1920x1200 gaming and the 12GB will come in handy for more than games.
Is the 12GB more important today than the speed of the hard for what I need? The other guys above said he won't even consider 8GB... Yes I agree gaming at that resolution right now, I'll be fine with it considering I don't even know when I can game.. right now my gaming is stuck on 15 minutes of Boom Beach a day... Yes don't even say it ☹️
Is there is any other green card that can be a reasonable upgrade today over that 3060 LMK, I am just starting to research for that and it's my most critical component remaining, just ordered this package and have my hd. Just nervous about having to handle all this bios bs.
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Great review, thanks, very helpful... I hope you dont mind a couple of followups?
1. I know things should always be updated, but since I am thinking of getting this exact combo, were there any complaints on any downside to not updating the BIOS to leave things alone? That having been said, is it possible a we can simply wait for a future better update to implement than right now? I cant remember the last time I updated my BIOS...
2. Did you do the research and find the 3070 Ti was one of the best bangs for your buck? I think it isn't the latest gen right, so I am not sure how heavy I will need AI tech but will this put a drag on that concept or any other obvious negs to getting it that you found or regretted? Still $500, dang, not sure if it is worth it for me at this point, thats a huge chunk of the system price
Thanks for the awesome reply, u da man... Since I have handled 16GB for so long, with all the updated components I'll deal with the 32GB for now... cant believe in 2023 we still have issues like this.
Yes I know about that PS AI feature, really cool and about time... cant wait to use it again. That's crazy is stresses your 4090... but as I said above I think even spending $500 is a bit much for me when that is more than these 3 core components combined... maybe I will just get the 3060 Ti and call it a day and upgrade next year when prices come down on whatever, unless this will cause a huge bottleneck on the above? I dont think I can afford to complain about the 8GB unfortunately. At least we have eliminated the red team.
1.) it is generally best practice to update bios, drivers, etc as soon as new versions are released. A lot of times they contain fixes for bugs or compatibility settings that may improve performance. In this case, MSI did something in this bios release that just doesn't play well with XMP and memory. I would recommend the January bios release and not installing the March one as that seems more solid. It worked fine for me and appears the same for other folks (confirmed in this thread) and the only reason I upgraded was…well..best practices. I was able to get my system stable by tweaking the XMP settings, but I think I am going to roll back and see if I cannot get my system to run at 6400 as it should. I don't believe there were any major compatibility fixes in that release, MAYBE it contained updated signing certain for drivers since theirs were stolen and released (that is a big news item). But as long as you only download from MSI and compare the hashes you should be fine.
2.) So the video card is the only major piece that was left over from the system that I replaced (an 11th gen i7 on DDR4 which has now been repurposed into a completely over the top Unraid NAS)/Plex server).I bought it at the height of the video card shortage a year and a half ago for way to much money (over 1k). I plan on using the hell out of it until it no longer performs since it cost so damn much. My use case is a bit different then yours though, this system is strictly for gaming on latest releases, which it performs exceptionally well. This specific card is huge and heavy, it actually came with a support stand. If I had to buy a video card today I think I would stay in the 3070ti or 3080ti range for, as you said, best bang for the buck. The 40series cards just seem disappointing.
If you are looking for a use case with AI related tasks, I would defer to the others in the thread that seem to know more about it and follow their recommendations.
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1.) it is generally best practice to update bios, drivers, etc as soon as new versions are released. A lot of times they contain fixes for bugs or compatibility settings that may improve performance. In this case, MSI did something in this bios release that just doesn't play well with XMP and memory. I would recommend the January bios release and not installing the March one as that seems more solid. It worked fine for me and appears the same for other folks (confirmed in this thread) and the only reason I upgraded was…well..best practices. I was able to get my system stable by tweaking the XMP settings, but I think I am going to roll back and see if I cannot get my system to run at 6400 as it should. I don't believe there were any major compatibility fixes in that release, MAYBE it contained updated signing certain for drivers since theirs were stolen and released (that is a big news item). But as long as you only download from MSI and compare the hashes you should be fine.
2.) So the video card is the only major piece that was left over from the system that I replaced (an 11th gen i7 on DDR4 which has now been repurposed into a completely over the top Unraid NAS)/Plex server).I bought it at the height of the video card shortage a year and a half ago for way to much money (over 1k). I plan on using the hell out of it until it no longer performs since it cost so damn much. My use case is a bit different then yours though, this system is strictly for gaming on latest releases, which it performs exceptionally well. This specific card is huge and heavy, it actually came with a support stand. If I had to buy a video card today I think I would stay in the 3070ti or 3080ti range for, as you said, best bang for the buck. The 40series cards just seem disappointing.
If you are looking for a use case with AI related tasks, I would defer to the others in the thread that seem to know more about it and follow their recommendations.
Thanks for the advice, I havent even updated the BIOS in a while so I'll work on getting the Jan one, hopefully I get good results. I dont feel like doing any tweaking, just gotta get to work.
Ya I agree, I see a deal for the 3060 12GB but not sure if that is good enough for my Photoshop and Premiere editing, I can get very impatient... I guess the 3080 you mean the 12GB version also? Someone said all the 8GB versions suck out there for what I need. The 3070Ti doesnt seem to have any 12GB... still around $500... 3080 12GB or 10GB (is there a difference in +2GB?) still around $500+ also.... Freakin GPU will cost me 1/3 the system cost, but I guess it needs to be done?
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