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expiredeversavage posted Jun 25, 2023 04:19 PM
expiredeversavage posted Jun 25, 2023 04:19 PM

20TB Seagate Exos X20 Enterprise 3.5" 7200 RPM Hard Drive (Recertified)

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Server Parts Deals has 20TB Seagate Exos X20 Enterprise 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive (Manufacturer Recertified, ST20000NM007D) on sale for $219.99. Shipping is free.

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About this Item:
  • 20TB Capacity
  • 7200 RPM Spindle Speed
  • 3.5" Form Factor
  • Max. Sustained Transfer Rate OD (MB/s, MiB/s): 285/272
  • Random Read/Write 4K QD16 WCD (IOPS): 168/550
  • Rotation Vibration @ 20-1500 Hz (rad/sec²): 12.5
  • Condition - Manufacturer Recertified : 2 Year Limited Period Warranty

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    • Our drives ship in 225lb per sq inch pressure-rated boxes, specifically tested for impact. Inside the box you'll find suspension brackets, foam inserts, or air filled pockets that secure the drive in place and prevent any possible impact from movement in the shipping process. The drive itself is sealed in an anti-static bag that protects the drive from any electromagnetic interference.

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Server Parts Deals has 20TB Seagate Exos X20 Enterprise 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive (Manufacturer Recertified, ST20000NM007D) on sale for $219.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Community Member eversavage for sharing this deal.

About this Item:
  • 20TB Capacity
  • 7200 RPM Spindle Speed
  • 3.5" Form Factor
  • Max. Sustained Transfer Rate OD (MB/s, MiB/s): 285/272
  • Random Read/Write 4K QD16 WCD (IOPS): 168/550
  • Rotation Vibration @ 20-1500 Hz (rad/sec²): 12.5
  • Condition - Manufacturer Recertified : 2 Year Limited Period Warranty

Editor's Notes

Written by StrawMan86 | Staff
  • About this Deal:
  • Shipping Notes:
    • Our drives ship in 225lb per sq inch pressure-rated boxes, specifically tested for impact. Inside the box you'll find suspension brackets, foam inserts, or air filled pockets that secure the drive in place and prevent any possible impact from movement in the shipping process. The drive itself is sealed in an anti-static bag that protects the drive from any electromagnetic interference.

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CleverHeat421
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Caveat emptor when dealing with serverpartdeals' support -- I bought two 16TB Seagate Exos drives from SPD a few months ago that were never delivered. While the shipping agent (UPS) claimed to have delivered the item, they failed to

provide any visual proof of delivery such as a picture taken at the drop-off point
use the Amazon Hub locker system present in the building
deliver to *any* location within the building

When I reached out to SPD's customer support, the best they would offer was to reimburse 50% of the cost since that was all UPS would reimburse them. I found this wholly inadequate since I had not received any of the drives. Thankfully I had paid using Amazon Pay and was able to receive a full refund through Amazon's dispute resolution process.

After being rather underwhelmed by SPD's customer support for something as basic as shipping / logistics, I would be concerned about the return process for "warranty" repairs.
eversavage
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I recommend running the seagate tool via USB bootable.

download the free software and within it there is software that creates the bootable drive.

from the software you can run the smart test, long/short surface test and use it update the firmware.
Shock96
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As someone who managed 3 data centers covering about 40k sqft, I can tell you that the Seagate drives worked just fine in a 99.9% uptime server data center.

Now this was quite a while ago with the 8tb being the biggest units installed. We are talking thousands of drives in servers, JBODs, and network appliances. We lost drives but nothing that people are talking about here on these threads.

They were Enterprise series drives for sure.

Frankly I have had great luck with Seagate drives and still use them today.

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Jun 26, 2023 05:19 PM
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DavidZ1908Jun 26, 2023 05:19 PM
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Looks like new ones are $280 right now. That's a big enough difference where it's not a no-brainer to buy new but are there any tradeoffs I should be aware of? Are recertified disks tested?

I'm not doing anything sophisticated, just adding some storage to a desktop.
Jun 26, 2023 05:19 PM
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DavidZ1908Jun 26, 2023 05:19 PM
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Looks like new ones are $280 right now. That's a big enough difference where it's not a no-brainer to buy new but are there any tradeoffs I should be aware of? Are recertified disks tested?

I'm not doing anything sophisticated, just adding some storage to a desktop.
Jun 26, 2023 05:30 PM
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Catalyst1990Jun 26, 2023 05:30 PM
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Quote from spydersdeals69 :
As a human being, I hate Seagate landfill fodder.
Is Seagate really that bad? I keep seeing people with negative comments on Seagate. With the recent price drops in storage, I've been very close to buying a lot of drives for my home server. I haven't pulled the trigger in anything yet because I'm trying to understand as many of the Pros and Cons of all these different options as possible. I want to make sure I know what I'm getting.
Jun 26, 2023 08:23 PM
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reicadenJun 26, 2023 08:23 PM
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Quote from WittyHose5503 :
That's a lot of data to lose when your non-solid state drive fails.
As long as you have redundancy? Who cares. I run 2 drives... 1 has all my data, the other backs it up every evening.
Jun 26, 2023 08:39 PM
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MWinkJun 26, 2023 08:39 PM
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Quote from Catalyst1990 :
Is Seagate really that bad? I keep seeing people with negative comments on Seagate. With the recent price drops in storage, I've been very close to buying a lot of drives for my home server. I haven't pulled the trigger in anything yet because I'm trying to understand as many of the Pros and Cons of all these different options as possible. I want to make sure I know what I'm getting.
Yes and no. Seagate does tend to be worse than the rest but that doesn't mean they're worthless. Backblaze data does show they relatively consistently have the highest failure rates. As I recall, Seagate tends to have an annualized failure rate hovering around 2%, while WD is more like 0.5%. They also had a particularly bad run about a decade ago. That didn't help their image either. These days, I'm definitely not a Seagate fan but I don't hate them with the same passion as many others around here.

Currently, I prefer WD/HGST drives. I've had good experiences with the helium filled models. It doesn't seem to get as much attention but ServerPartDeals has WD Ultrastars for roughly the same prices as the Seagate Exos on a fairly regular basis. I'd favor those. Just watch out for models with the Power Disable feature. Those can be a bit of a headache.
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Jun 26, 2023 08:57 PM
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eversavage
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Jun 26, 2023 08:57 PM
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Quote from DavidZ1908 :
Looks like new ones are $280 right now. That's a big enough difference where it's not a no-brainer to buy new but are there any tradeoffs I should be aware of? Are recertified disks tested?

I'm not doing anything sophisticated, just adding some storage to a desktop.
I'm a SDer, the 80 difference is huge for me.. since I'm working on a 321 backup.... that's lot of disk and the 80 difference adds up pretty fast.
Jun 26, 2023 09:28 PM
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ctuttleJun 26, 2023 09:28 PM
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Us oldtimers still have a bit of a grudge toward Seagate. However they had some issues quite a long time ago and unlike some I have moved away from it especially after having very good experiences with the Exos line. Every company makes good and bad products and models.

In my opinion this is a great deal, despite it being in effect a used drive. That said it is probably the best "used" drive you can buy. It is manufacturer recertified, so has a 2 year Seagate warranty. Not 5 years like the new drive which is $70 more which some might think is worth paying extra for, some might not. Drive has been at a data center, so in the best possible environment for a drive that was designed for that environment. Seagate has checked it out and guarantees it for 2 years, so you know it will work for at least 2 years, or you get another one. If I remember correctly the replacement one is only good for the remainder of the two years. Only had to get one replaced out of a lot of drives.

If you need a large drive this is a good deal, as you usually pay more per terabyte in drives over 14TB. Mechanical drives fail, all mechanical things do eventually, best bet is to buy multiple drives for backups, so when a drive fails you have a backup. When you think like this all you are going to be is out some time as you restore any lost data. These are better than consumer grade drives, and cheaper. If you are buying larger disks, say over 10TB frequently, or several times a year then this is really a good deal. Grab it while it lasts.
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Jun 26, 2023 09:54 PM
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jgmeinhardtJun 26, 2023 09:54 PM
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I recently bought the deal on the 18TB Seagate Exos drives from SPD. They really packaged the drive well. The drive had 20 hours on it. I always long format a new drive. I was pleasantly surprised by how quiet the drive is.

I've been a computer tech for 35 years and go all the way back to the era of Connor and MiniScribe drives. What I have seen is most of the drive manufacturers go through periods of problem drives. I would not argue that most Samsung mechanical drives were not reliable. Sort of ironic that they turned into one of the best SSD drives. I currently have a Seagate in my gaming computer that is over 10 years old. Crystal disk info show it to still be good.
Jun 26, 2023 10:21 PM
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shastadaJun 26, 2023 10:21 PM
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Quote from DevanteWeary :
Good rule of thumb if you're going that big: buy different brands and don't buy all at once.

You don't want to buy all in the same "batch" in case something is wrong in that batch. That way not all the drives come out of the same batch.

And different brands sort of for the same reason.

Personally I'd get both these and WD Red Pros and mix them. In fact, that's what I already do.
Yeah this is a good tip. And depending on what storage solution you use, you may be allowed to mix and match sizes too.
Jun 26, 2023 10:27 PM
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timskrastinsJun 26, 2023 10:27 PM
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I bought 5x of these @ $235 and have them in a Synology NAS set up on SHR-1 for the last couple weeks. (basically RAID 5- 1 drive fault tolerance). I have >40TB on it right now and no issues, drives passing health checks, optimization, etc. They were extremely well packed. Very tempted to buy a few more at this price.
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eversavage
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Quote from timskrastins :
I bought 5x of these @ $235 and have them in a Synology NAS set up on SHR-1 for the last couple weeks. (basically RAID 5- 1 drive fault tolerance). I have >40TB on it right now and no issues, drives passing health checks, optimization, etc. They were extremely well packed. Very tempted to buy a few more at this price.
, have you done the benchmark test on the DSM? It's super loud during the test.. but during actual use.. it's quiet... this is base on the x18 exos I got ..
Jun 26, 2023 11:37 PM
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internetnerdJun 26, 2023 11:37 PM
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Quote from Catalyst1990 :
Is Seagate really that bad? I keep seeing people with negative comments on Seagate. With the recent price drops in storage, I've been very close to buying a lot of drives for my home server. I haven't pulled the trigger in anything yet because I'm trying to understand as many of the Pros and Cons of all these different options as possible. I want to make sure I know what I'm getting.
People have been complaining for more than a few years now.. Yet Seagate is still in business, and large entities (enormous companies, international defense contractors, multiple federal governments, etc.) still use them..
Jun 27, 2023 12:41 AM
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whatgooddealJun 27, 2023 12:41 AM
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Quote from FashionPagan :
As a former computer builder, I hate seagates.
WD is worse
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Jun 27, 2023 01:18 AM
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MWinkJun 27, 2023 01:18 AM
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Quote from internetnerd :
People have been complaining for more than a few years now.. Yet Seagate is still in business, and large entities (enormous companies, international defense contractors, multiple federal governments, etc.) still use them..
That doesn't necessarily mean what I think you're implying. I believe Backblaze has even said that, though Seagates fail more often, their lower cost still makes them a worthwhile choice. These large entities are going to have a lot more redundancy than the average home user.

Quote from jgmeinhardt :
I recently bought the deal on the 18TB Seagate Exos drives from SPD. They really packaged the drive well. The drive had 20 hours on it. I always long format a new drive. I was pleasantly surprised by how quiet the drive is.

I've been a computer tech for 35 years and go all the way back to the era of Connor and MiniScribe drives. What I have seen is most of the drive manufacturers go through periods of problem drives. I would not argue that most Samsung mechanical drives were not reliable. Sort of ironic that they turned into one of the best SSD drives. I currently have a Seagate in my gaming computer that is over 10 years old. Crystal disk info show it to still be good.
You'll find tons of people complaining about how loud the Exos line is. I'm convinced it's related to how they're mounted. I had one in a really old case, with no vibration dampeners and it sounded like a machine gun. You could hear it in the next room. I have one in a modern case, with vibration dampeners, and it's not bad at all.

I remember Connor hard drives. I had several of them, ranging from 80MB to 1GB+. You are absolutely right about companies going through good and bad periods. Twenty years ago I would have gladly taken a Seagate Barracuda IV over a WD. That changed with the introduction of the WD SE16 (predecessor to the Black).

I'll also agree that Samsung hard drives were pretty bad. They weren't common but many of the ones I did see were dead/dying. When it comes to SSDs, Samsung makes some really good drives and some really bad ones. The 860 EVO was great. The 870 EVO, not so much.

Quote from ctuttle :
Us oldtimers still have a bit of a grudge toward Seagate. However they had some issues quite a long time ago and unlike some I have moved away from it especially after having very good experiences with the Exos line. Every company makes good and bad products and models.

In my opinion this is a great deal, despite it being in effect a used drive. That said it is probably the best "used" drive you can buy. It is manufacturer recertified, so has a 2 year Seagate warranty. Not 5 years like the new drive which is $70 more which some might think is worth paying extra for, some might not. Drive has been at a data center, so in the best possible environment for a drive that was designed for that environment. Seagate has checked it out and guarantees it for 2 years, so you know it will work for at least 2 years, or you get another one. If I remember correctly the replacement one is only good for the remainder of the two years. Only had to get one replaced out of a lot of drives.

If you need a large drive this is a good deal, as you usually pay more per terabyte in drives over 14TB. Mechanical drives fail, all mechanical things do eventually, best bet is to buy multiple drives for backups, so when a drive fails you have a backup. When you think like this all you are going to be is out some time as you restore any lost data. These are better than consumer grade drives, and cheaper. If you are buying larger disks, say over 10TB frequently, or several times a year then this is really a good deal. Grab it while it lasts.
These drives do NOT have any warranty through Seagate. The 2 year warranty is through the seller.

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Jun 27, 2023 02:13 AM
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timskrastinsJun 27, 2023 02:13 AM
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Quote from eversavage :
, have you done the benchmark test on the DSM? It's super loud during the test.. but during actual use.. it's quiet... this is base on the x18 exos I got ..
I'm not familiar with the benchmark tests. As long as it works and keeps my data safe with lots of capacity, I'm good. This is mostly to back up another system. I have an 8-bay Synology DS1821 with 5 of these sitting right next to me on the desk, right now it's running non-stop as it downloads data and transfers from external drives so there is definitely noise, but I'm not terribly bothered by it. Means I know it's working. Anecdotally, these seem quieter than the WD Gold drives I have in my other NAS.

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