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As someone that installs Mini splits for a living, the Turbro brand is the finefare version of the carrier line that i install all the time...the Carrier branded stuff is twice the price and will probably give you 15 to 20 years of service where these others will probably be 5 to 10. I have repaired a lot of Senville, Durostar, and a few other off brand units that are all the same packaging and some of the same components as Carrier for the outdoor units. Indoor units seem cheaply constructed, but with proper purging and evac, should last.
The turbro is using the Midea app, just like the Carriers do...or i should say the carrier climate app is identical to the midea app.
If you want long lasting reliability Mitsubishi, but your gonna pay for that name and reliability. Carrier is step down from Mitsubishi, but not a huge one, and their technical support has been top notch...Mitsubishi's tech support is stellar...
Im installing Pioneer Diamante plus or ultra at my place, my landlord purchased, and from what ive seen of the outdoor unit they are a mostly the same parts as the carriers with a different board and inverter layout.
The biggest problems i run into are home owners doing the install, and then something goes bad in a year or two and its nearly the cost of the whole system to have a professional troubleshoot, fix, and recharge the system.
I'm biased cause i do this for a living, but having someone that does this everyday makes a bit of difference in the long-term life of the equipment, even the more affordable stuff.
If you don't know someone, then it's going to cost you multiple times the price of the unit to even have a warranty ("professional" install) or get it serviced (hint: labor not included).
Buy any decent unit, DIY, no complaining.
If I needed guaranteed reliability, I would just buy three of them, still save tons of money, and have spare parts (or whole units to swap) for as long as it could ever be useful.
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As someone who's done two of these installs themselves, just know that you're going to have to spend a good bit on tools.
Here's a small portion of what I've amassed at this point:
- Yellow Jacket torque wrench
- Yellow Jacket gauge set
- 3 CFM 2-stage Vacuum Pump
- CPS Digital Micron Gauge
- Appion 5/16" (and other) core removal tools
- Nitrogen cylinder & VN-500 HVAC regulator
- Blackmax hvac flare tool
- Misc electrical tools
I have other stuff you don't need like an Appion G5 twin recovery machine, a recovery cylinder, refrigerant scale, fieldpiece ultrasonic leak detector, oxy/acetylene torch, silsol brazing rods, etc.
In short I'd call this a "moderately advanced" diy install and you're gonna be dealing with electrical work too. I got an EPA 608 universal cert so I could do it legit and I follow NEC code on the electrical work.
Just saying all of this to let you know you're in $300++ in tools depending on how much you screw up or get right. I am your average guy who tends to collect tools so now I'm up to $1500-2500 on HVAC tools at this point.
And (you probably won't get caught) but you need an EPA 608 type-2 cert to work on this legally. The fines are astronomical but you probably won't get caught unless you somehow tell on yourself.
Last edited by PlanetoftheMapes July 5, 2023 at 05:39 PM.
The lineset uses adapters that go onto existing flared fittings. I used the precharged on my ducted "Mr cool universal", which is a big mini split condenser paired with air handler. Lineset came with the adapters.
Assuming they still include them, then you would only to buy the appropriate lineset size
Last edited by DillDozer July 5, 2023 at 05:40 PM.
If you live in Southern California, you can get a new one of these and have it installed for $950 from some guy who supposedly has 20+ years experience doing this in China. Mine has no issues at all since he installed it 5 years ago. Probably not the same price due to inflation but no complaints from me.
As someone who's done two of these installs themselves, just know that you're going to have to spend a good bit on tools.
Here's a small portion of what I've amassed at this point:
- Yellow Jacket torque wrench
- Yellow Jacket gauge set
- 3 CFM 2-stage Vacuum Pump
- CPS Digital Micron Gauge
- Appion 5/16" (and other) core removal tools
- Nitrogen cylinder & VN-500 HVAC regulator
- Blackmax hvac flare tool
- Misc electrical tools
I have other stuff you don't need like an Appion G5 twin recovery machine, a recovery cylinder, refrigerant scale, fieldpiece ultrasonic leak detector, oxy/acetylene torch, silsol brazing rods, etc.
In short I'd call this a "moderately advanced" diy install and you're gonna be dealing with electrical work too. I got an EPA 608 universal cert so I could do it legit and I follow NEC code on the electrical work.
Just saying all of this to let you know you're in $300++ in tools depending on how much you screw up or get right. I am your average guy who tends to collect tools so now I'm up to $1500-2500 on HVAC tools at this point.
And (you probably won't get caught) but you need an EPA 608 type-2 cert to work on this legally. The fines are astronomical but you probably won't get caught unless you somehow tell on yourself.
But you only need to spend a couple hundred or much less if you use auto parts store vac/gauges. $50 pump and $90 gauges going strong, here. Don't need a micron gauge. Just let it run for 30 mins.
The lineset uses adapters that go onto existing flared fittings. I used the precharged on my ducted "Mr cool universal", which is a big mini split condenser paired with air handler. Lineset came with the adapters.
Assuming they still include them, then you would only to buy the appropriate lineset size
How do you expect the unit to react with 2x the refrigerant charge? This condenser unit already has its 410a factory charge. When you unscrew the king valves you release the charge into the (supposed to be) evacuated lineset and evaporator unit.
What you're suggesting is to use the pre-charged linesets with a pre-charged unit. Your unit will be severely overcharged and you'll likely damage the compressor.
How do you expect the unit to react with 2x the refrigerant charge? This condenser unit already has its 410a factory charge. When you unscrew the king valves you release the charge into the (supposed to be) evacuated lineset and evaporator unit.
What you're suggesting is to use the pre-charged linesets with a pre-charged unit. Your unit will be severely overcharged and you'll likely damage the compressor.
Iirc, Mr cool units are filled with enough for 15 ft. Their 25 ft or less would have very minimal charge. Also, iirc, 25 ft extra lineset only takes about 2 oz of additional refrigerant.
I don't see how you're overcharging enough to matter....or you could just vent it on a scale lol
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Iirc, Mr cool units are filled with enough for 15 ft. Their 25 ft or less would have very minimal charge. Also, iirc, 25 ft extra lineset only takes about 2 oz of additional refrigerant.
I don't see how you're overcharging enough to matter....or you could just vent it on a scale lol
These inverter designs typically have a very large accumulator so you're free to try. If it's only a small amount of gas refrigerant in the line-set then it won't hurt.
But they're pretty damn expensive from what I see, and I don't know if you're supposed to have a special fitting or something to pierce the foil. For that $200-350 I'd put it towards tools and do it reasonably correctly. Otherwise I'd just pony up for the Mr Cool diy unit.
But you only need to spend a couple hundred or much less if you use auto parts store vac/gauges. $50 pump and $90 gauges going strong, here. Don't need a micron gauge. Just let it run for 30 mins.
Sure, it's about your desire to do it like a pro or like a Jack leg. Each make sense and have pros and cons depending on your circumstances.
It's real easy to have a small leak and you'd never know your microns aren't going below 2500-3000 even after 45 mins. You also wont be able to meaningfully decay test. Now you have noncondensibles in your refrigerant loop. Next the moisture causes acid and you either get an evaporator leak or premature compressor failure.
Or you got lucky and everything went fine and you hit 500 microns and didn't decay like crazy after. But without tools you won't know which.
Thats totally your choice to risk that. But after it's all said and done it seems like a dumb place to cheap out after spending $750+ on the unit and electrical.
Last edited by PlanetoftheMapes July 5, 2023 at 06:01 PM.
The Tosot search link shows several energy star units that are eligible for the tax credit. Most people would think that was true. And it is true, but only if you live in the "south." If you live in the "north" it's not. You have to look at the actual numbers to know for sure.
And I do know you are talking about mini splits and linked to them. But mini splits can be configured several different ways and are rated differently. Which is why you need to know if it's ducted (not the same as central air conditioner), un-ducted, or multi-head, and if it's installed in the north or south.
The CEE actually decides which units are tax eligible, Energy Star just uses their information for their own labeling system. This is why some Energy Star units are not eligible for the tax credit and some non-Energy Star units are. So the CEE would have been a better resource. https://www.ahrinet.org/certifica...-directory
This isn't really that difficult to do. I'd say my experience level with this type of work was non-existent, however, I do wrench on my own cars so I gave it a shot. I installed a 24k Senville Leto unit last year into my garage. Took me and a buddy about 4 hours to do it. The only tools I really needed were a 3.5" holesaw, a/c gauges (AutoZone rental), adapter fittings ($15 eBay), vacuum pump ($70 eBay). Everything else, any average person should already have (drill, various wrenches, adjustable wrench, silicone, etc.
The only other things I needed to purchase were electrical related, a 5' whip, a/c [fuse] disconnect, 30amp double pole breaker, length of romex, conduit, and a lineset cover. Watched a few youtube videos prior to install and got it done on a Saturday. By Saturday afternoon was back to wrenching in a 74f 3-car garage.
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As someone that installs Mini splits for a living, the Turbro brand is the finefare version of the carrier line that i install all the time...the Carrier branded stuff is twice the price and will probably give you 15 to 20 years of service where these others will probably be 5 to 10. I have repaired a lot of Senville, Durostar, and a few other off brand units that are all the same packaging and some of the same components as Carrier for the outdoor units. Indoor units seem cheaply constructed, but with proper purging and evac, should last.
The turbro is using the Midea app, just like the Carriers do...or i should say the carrier climate app is identical to the midea app.
If you want long lasting reliability Mitsubishi, but your gonna pay for that name and reliability. Carrier is step down from Mitsubishi, but not a huge one, and their technical support has been top notch...Mitsubishi's tech support is stellar...
Im installing Pioneer Diamante plus or ultra at my place, my landlord purchased, and from what ive seen of the outdoor unit they are a mostly the same parts as the carriers with a different board and inverter layout.
The biggest problems i run into are home owners doing the install, and then something goes bad in a year or two and its nearly the cost of the whole system to have a professional troubleshoot, fix, and recharge the system.
I'm biased cause i do this for a living, but having someone that does this everyday makes a bit of difference in the long-term life of the equipment, even the more affordable stuff.
This isn't really that difficult to do. I'd say my experience level with this type of work was non-existent, however, I do wrench on my own cars so I gave it a shot. I installed a 24k Senville Leto unit last year into my garage. Took me and a buddy about 4 hours to do it. The only tools I really needed were a 3.5" holesaw, a/c gauges (AutoZone rental), adapter fittings ($15 eBay), vacuum pump ($70 eBay). Everything else, any average person should already have (drill, various wrenches, adjustable wrench, silicone, etc.
The only other things I needed to purchase were electrical related, a 5' whip, a/c [fuse] disconnect, 30amp double pole breaker, length of romex, conduit, and a lineset cover. Watched a few youtube videos prior to install and got it done on a Saturday. By Saturday afternoon was back to wrenching in a 74f 3-car garage.
Except you missed nitrogen purge and pressure test of the lines, and a micron gauge to make sure you have a tight dry system...if you have not gotten a micron reading low enough, moisture stuck in the copper and in the air that was in the lines will create an acid that will likely eat the copper in the condensor or worse the indoor unit...
That said, most everything about installing these is not rocket surgery, but the devil is in the details of having super dry tight system.
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The turbro is using the Midea app, just like the Carriers do...or i should say the carrier climate app is identical to the midea app.
If you want long lasting reliability Mitsubishi, but your gonna pay for that name and reliability. Carrier is step down from Mitsubishi, but not a huge one, and their technical support has been top notch...Mitsubishi's tech support is stellar...
Im installing Pioneer Diamante plus or ultra at my place, my landlord purchased, and from what ive seen of the outdoor unit they are a mostly the same parts as the carriers with a different board and inverter layout.
The biggest problems i run into are home owners doing the install, and then something goes bad in a year or two and its nearly the cost of the whole system to have a professional troubleshoot, fix, and recharge the system.
I'm biased cause i do this for a living, but having someone that does this everyday makes a bit of difference in the long-term life of the equipment, even the more affordable stuff.
Buy any decent unit, DIY, no complaining.
If I needed guaranteed reliability, I would just buy three of them, still save tons of money, and have spare parts (or whole units to swap) for as long as it could ever be useful.
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Here's a small portion of what I've amassed at this point:
- Yellow Jacket torque wrench
- Yellow Jacket gauge set
- 3 CFM 2-stage Vacuum Pump
- CPS Digital Micron Gauge
- Appion 5/16" (and other) core removal tools
- Nitrogen cylinder & VN-500 HVAC regulator
- Blackmax hvac flare tool
- Misc electrical tools
I have other stuff you don't need like an Appion G5 twin recovery machine, a recovery cylinder, refrigerant scale, fieldpiece ultrasonic leak detector, oxy/acetylene torch, silsol brazing rods, etc.
In short I'd call this a "moderately advanced" diy install and you're gonna be dealing with electrical work too. I got an EPA 608 universal cert so I could do it legit and I follow NEC code on the electrical work.
Just saying all of this to let you know you're in $300++ in tools depending on how much you screw up or get right. I am your average guy who tends to collect tools so now I'm up to $1500-2500 on HVAC tools at this point.
And (you probably won't get caught) but you need an EPA 608 type-2 cert to work on this legally. The fines are astronomical but you probably won't get caught unless you somehow tell on yourself.
Assuming they still include them, then you would only to buy the appropriate lineset size
Here's a small portion of what I've amassed at this point:
- Yellow Jacket torque wrench
- Yellow Jacket gauge set
- 3 CFM 2-stage Vacuum Pump
- CPS Digital Micron Gauge
- Appion 5/16" (and other) core removal tools
- Nitrogen cylinder & VN-500 HVAC regulator
- Blackmax hvac flare tool
- Misc electrical tools
I have other stuff you don't need like an Appion G5 twin recovery machine, a recovery cylinder, refrigerant scale, fieldpiece ultrasonic leak detector, oxy/acetylene torch, silsol brazing rods, etc.
In short I'd call this a "moderately advanced" diy install and you're gonna be dealing with electrical work too. I got an EPA 608 universal cert so I could do it legit and I follow NEC code on the electrical work.
Just saying all of this to let you know you're in $300++ in tools depending on how much you screw up or get right. I am your average guy who tends to collect tools so now I'm up to $1500-2500 on HVAC tools at this point.
And (you probably won't get caught) but you need an EPA 608 type-2 cert to work on this legally. The fines are astronomical but you probably won't get caught unless you somehow tell on yourself.
Assuming they still include them, then you would only to buy the appropriate lineset size
What you're suggesting is to use the pre-charged linesets with a pre-charged unit. Your unit will be severely overcharged and you'll likely damage the compressor.
What you're suggesting is to use the pre-charged linesets with a pre-charged unit. Your unit will be severely overcharged and you'll likely damage the compressor.
I don't see how you're overcharging enough to matter....or you could just vent it on a scale lol
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I don't see how you're overcharging enough to matter....or you could just vent it on a scale lol
But they're pretty damn expensive from what I see, and I don't know if you're supposed to have a special fitting or something to pierce the foil. For that $200-350 I'd put it towards tools and do it reasonably correctly. Otherwise I'd just pony up for the Mr Cool diy unit.
It's real easy to have a small leak and you'd never know your microns aren't going below 2500-3000 even after 45 mins. You also wont be able to meaningfully decay test. Now you have noncondensibles in your refrigerant loop. Next the moisture causes acid and you either get an evaporator leak or premature compressor failure.
Or you got lucky and everything went fine and you hit 500 microns and didn't decay like crazy after. But without tools you won't know which.
Thats totally your choice to risk that. But after it's all said and done it seems like a dumb place to cheap out after spending $750+ on the unit and electrical.
Info here:
https://www.energystar.gov/about/...heat_pumps [energystar.gov]
Tosot search here:
https://www.energystar.gov/produc...lter=TOSOT [energystar.gov]
And I do know you are talking about mini splits and linked to them. But mini splits can be configured several different ways and are rated differently. Which is why you need to know if it's ducted (not the same as central air conditioner), un-ducted, or multi-head, and if it's installed in the north or south.
The CEE actually decides which units are tax eligible, Energy Star just uses their information for their own labeling system. This is why some Energy Star units are not eligible for the tax credit and some non-Energy Star units are. So the CEE would have been a better resource.
https://www.ahrinet.org/certifica...-directory
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The only other things I needed to purchase were electrical related, a 5' whip, a/c [fuse] disconnect, 30amp double pole breaker, length of romex, conduit, and a lineset cover. Watched a few youtube videos prior to install and got it done on a Saturday. By Saturday afternoon was back to wrenching in a 74f 3-car garage.
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The turbro is using the Midea app, just like the Carriers do...or i should say the carrier climate app is identical to the midea app.
If you want long lasting reliability Mitsubishi, but your gonna pay for that name and reliability. Carrier is step down from Mitsubishi, but not a huge one, and their technical support has been top notch...Mitsubishi's tech support is stellar...
Im installing Pioneer Diamante plus or ultra at my place, my landlord purchased, and from what ive seen of the outdoor unit they are a mostly the same parts as the carriers with a different board and inverter layout.
The biggest problems i run into are home owners doing the install, and then something goes bad in a year or two and its nearly the cost of the whole system to have a professional troubleshoot, fix, and recharge the system.
I'm biased cause i do this for a living, but having someone that does this everyday makes a bit of difference in the long-term life of the equipment, even the more affordable stuff.
The only other things I needed to purchase were electrical related, a 5' whip, a/c [fuse] disconnect, 30amp double pole breaker, length of romex, conduit, and a lineset cover. Watched a few youtube videos prior to install and got it done on a Saturday. By Saturday afternoon was back to wrenching in a 74f 3-car garage.
That said, most everything about installing these is not rocket surgery, but the devil is in the details of having super dry tight system.
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