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urbach

Jul 06, 2023 02:20 PM

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urbachJul 06, 2023 02:20 PM

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Quote from CoreyR2384

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I don't think the resale value is going to hold up nearly as well for the 40 series, since they're so overpriced.

This depends entirely on 1) if NVIDIA and competitors continue overpricing similarly in future generations, and 2) how big of a "leap" the next gen is.

We already "know" (ish) the next gen isn't coming out until late 2024 or in 2025.

That being said, I plan to use this until it is obsolete, and then I almost always keep one as a backup because I'm paranoid, so the whole "resale value" doesn't mean much to me.

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Craig234

Jul 06, 2023 03:01 PM

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Craig234Jul 06, 2023 03:01 PM

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Quote from Zer0Zer0

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The Taiwan war is already priced in.

Disagree.

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Craig234

Jul 06, 2023 03:02 PM

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Craig234Jul 06, 2023 03:02 PM

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Quote from DelightfulVest2261

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Meh, I'd pay $800.

Thanks for taking our time with that. Every poster should post a price.

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porterhaus

Jul 06, 2023 03:02 PM

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porterhausJul 06, 2023 03:02 PM

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Quote from DelightfulVest2261

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Meh, I'd pay $800.

These sold out at $1000. They'll sell out at $950 or $900 well before they get to $800. People can grandstand all they want about "should have been priced at ____" but meanwhile this is reality.

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CoreyR2384

Jul 06, 2023 03:27 PM

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CoreyR2384Jul 06, 2023 03:27 PM

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Quote from someoneslick

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I have bought so many gpus and then decided to sell them without opening. lol. At least they got profits on a lot of them, but of course now they don't and I can just never decide what to keep. Right now I have a 4070 ti trio, so I guess I should just open it and be satisfied. But of course with all this time I am waiting if I don't build soon I wills ee the 4080 cheaper than what I paid for 4070 ti and get mad.

ORIGINALLY I was going to just use a 2070. lol. SO at least 4070 ti is a big leap from that.

It's even worse, considering the 4080 should've been a lower tiered card if going by last generation. The 4080 uses the AD103 die. The 3080 used the GA102 die (the same die as the 3090 and 3090ti). The 103 die from last generation (GA103) was developed for the 3080ti laptop GPU. It ended up being repurposed later in the generation as a variation of the 3060ti. It could've been used for the 3070 or 3070ti with more unlocked shades, but I assume they didn't have enough effective dies for that (Samsung 8nm node for the 30 series had very low yields with a lot of defective units). Nvidia's fabrication cost is based on die size and the die in the 4080 is smaller than the 4060 die. On top of that, Jenson Huang (Nvidia CEO) has stated in a shareholder meeting that they're seeing the highest profits in the history of the company with consumer 40 series cards. That's with the huge jump in price of TSMC going from Samsung's 8nm (they got a massive discount from Samsung due to the low yields) and the lowest sales figures in over a decade. So, they're selling less of the 40 series consumer GPU's than they have of any previous generation in the past decade, yet they're making more profits from these GPU's than any prior generation. This generation is INCREDIBLY overpriced. $1,000 for this GPU is still WAY too high.

Aiden.Pearce

Jul 06, 2023 04:08 PM

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Aiden.PearceJul 06, 2023 04:08 PM

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Quote from porterhaus

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These sold out at $1000. They'll sell out at $950 or $900 well before they get to $800. People can grandstand all they want about "should have been priced at ____" but meanwhile this is reality.

This is a pretty naive comment. CPUs we're over priced 18 months ago and have dropped 60% in price.

someoneslick

Jul 06, 2023 04:14 PM

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someoneslickJul 06, 2023 04:14 PM

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Quote from CoreyR2384

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It's even worse, considering the 4080 should've been a lower tiered card if going by last generation. The 4080 uses the AD103 die. The 3080 used the GA102 die (the same die as the 3090 and 3090ti). The 103 die from last generation (GA103) was developed for the 3080ti laptop GPU. It ended up being repurposed later in the generation as a variation of the 3060ti. It could've been used for the 3070 or 3070ti with more unlocked shades, but I assume they didn't have enough effective dies for that (Samsung 8nm node for the 30 series had very low yields with a lot of defective units). Nvidia's fabrication cost is based on die size and the die in the 4080 is smaller than the 4060 die. On top of that, Jenson Huang (Nvidia CEO) has stated in a shareholder meeting that they're seeing the highest profits in the history of the company with consumer 40 series cards. That's with the huge jump in price of TSMC going from Samsung's 8nm (they got a massive discount from Samsung due to the low yields) and the lowest sales figures in over a decade. So, they're selling less of the 40 series consumer GPU's than they have of any previous generation in the past decade, yet they're making more profits from these GPU's than any prior generation. This generation is INCREDIBLY overpriced. $1,000 for this GPU is still WAY too high.

I probably should have kept my 3080 12g and called it a day. I saw reviews saying this 4070 ti was quite a bit quieter ans a bit faster and I had a deal to save $120 on an already discounted card, so i sold my other one for a loss and got the new one, while losing only slightly in the exchange. But then I found out there are some areas the 4070 ti are worse than the 3080 in...

brolly

Jul 06, 2023 08:55 PM

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brollyJul 06, 2023 08:55 PM

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Quote from CheapBastardX10

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Should? I wonder if you are a CEO of a company, will you let the consumer name their own price. Why not free while you are at it? Ridiculous people is ridiculous.

Considering the 3080 was supposed to be $699 on launch, yeah it should. On top of which they purposely kept supply low so those 3xxx prices went through the roof and now people are used to paying through the nose.

porterhaus

Jul 06, 2023 10:43 PM

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porterhausJul 06, 2023 10:43 PM

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Quote from Aiden.Pearce

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This is a pretty naive comment. CPUs we're over priced 18 months ago and have dropped 60% in price.

In 18 months the 5XXX series will be out and everything on the market now will be cheaper. Things get cheaper overtime - that doesn't invalidate what I was implying which is that these won't drop significantly below $900-1000 (if at all) before the next generation releases.

CheapBastardX10

Jul 07, 2023 03:15 AM

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CheapBastardX10Jul 07, 2023 03:15 AM

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Quote from brolly

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Considering the 3080 was supposed to be $699 on launch, yeah it should. On top of which they purposely kept supply low so those 3xxx prices went through the roof and now people are used to paying through the nose.

Tell that to everything that is more expensive to buy nowadays. Since when does the price of last gen GPU have to be the price of the new gen GPU? Why not go back to 2080 or further? Sure it's overpriced, I get it. You can say that and I would be okay with it. What I'm a bit annoyed is this sense of entitlement by some people, where they think the price should be whatever fits their budget. I feel for you when you are looking for a new car these days. You will be in for a shock at the sticker price.

brolly

Jul 07, 2023 03:25 AM

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brollyJul 07, 2023 03:25 AM

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Quote from CheapBastardX10

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Tell that to everything that is more expensive to buy nowadays. Since when does the price of last gen GPU have to be the price of the new gen GPU? Why not go back to 2080 or further? Sure it's overpriced, I get it. You can say that and I would be okay with it. What I'm a bit annoyed is this sense of entitlement by some people, where they think the price should be whatever fits their budget. I feel for you when you are looking for a new car these days. You will be in for a shock at the sticker price.

What I said is 100% correct. I couldnt care less what you think of it so you can just move along darling.

DelightfulVest2261

Jul 07, 2023 08:20 AM

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DelightfulVest2261Jul 07, 2023 08:20 AM

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Quote from porterhaus

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These sold out at $1000. They'll sell out at $950 or $900 well before they get to $800. People can grandstand all they want about "should have been priced at ____" but meanwhile this is reality.

Wow, nVidia should thank you for changing my mind. jk.

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