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frontpagechunmanc123 posted Aug 07, 2023 04:53 AM

U.S. Treasury: Short Term Treasury Bills (4-Week-52-Week Maturity) Up to

5.50% Interest

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Note: Rates are subject to change daily; rates are the daily secondary market quotations on the most recently auctioned Treasury Bills for each maturity tranche (4-week, 8-week, 13-week, 17-week, 26-week, and 52-week) for which Treasury currently issues new bills. Up to Date Rates can be found here (scroll to bottom of list)

U.S. Government Treasury is offering Up to 5.499% Coupon Rate (Interest Rate) on Short Term Treasury Bills which can be Purchased for a Duration of 4-Weeks-52 Weeks Maturity.

Thanks community member chunmanc123 for sharing this deal

Note, if interested, you may choose to purchase Treasury Bills through your preferred Brokerage Firm

Example Current Rates (8/9/23): (Coupon Rates [Interest Rates] change daily):
  • 13-Week Maturity: 5.451%
  • 26-Week Maturity: 5.499%
  • 52-Week Maturity: 5.351%

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  • About this Offer:
    • Interest paid: When the bill matures
    • Minimum purchase : $100
    • In increments of: $100
    • Maximum purchase: $10 million (non-competitive bid)
    • Auction frequency:
      • Every four weeks for 52-week bills
      • Weekly for 4, 8, 13, 17, 26-week bills
      • No regular schedule for Cash Management Bills
      • See the Auction calendar for specific date
      • More Info
    • Taxes: Federal tax due on interest earned. No state or local taxes
  • Refer to forum thread for discussion from the community regarding this offer. -slickdewmaster

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Note: Rates are subject to change daily; rates are the daily secondary market quotations on the most recently auctioned Treasury Bills for each maturity tranche (4-week, 8-week, 13-week, 17-week, 26-week, and 52-week) for which Treasury currently issues new bills. Up to Date Rates can be found here (scroll to bottom of list)

U.S. Government Treasury is offering Up to 5.499% Coupon Rate (Interest Rate) on Short Term Treasury Bills which can be Purchased for a Duration of 4-Weeks-52 Weeks Maturity.

Thanks community member chunmanc123 for sharing this deal

Note, if interested, you may choose to purchase Treasury Bills through your preferred Brokerage Firm

Example Current Rates (8/9/23): (Coupon Rates [Interest Rates] change daily):
  • 13-Week Maturity: 5.451%
  • 26-Week Maturity: 5.499%
  • 52-Week Maturity: 5.351%

Editor's Notes

Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
  • About this Offer:
    • Interest paid: When the bill matures
    • Minimum purchase : $100
    • In increments of: $100
    • Maximum purchase: $10 million (non-competitive bid)
    • Auction frequency:
      • Every four weeks for 52-week bills
      • Weekly for 4, 8, 13, 17, 26-week bills
      • No regular schedule for Cash Management Bills
      • See the Auction calendar for specific date
      • More Info
    • Taxes: Federal tax due on interest earned. No state or local taxes
  • Refer to forum thread for discussion from the community regarding this offer. -slickdewmaster

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OliveFlag247
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To clarify...

Treasury BILLS are currently paying over 5% for various maturity lengths under 1 year. These can be bought through most brokerages even without a TreasuryDirect account.

Treasury BONDS are paying 4% or less and have 20 or 30 year terms.
if200
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Have learned so much on this site so am trying to return the favor with what I've learned that I don't see anyone else talking about.

The 4 week bill ordering opens tomorrow 8/8, the deadline to buy it is sometime Thursday 8/10 morning depending on where you are buying it and it settles on 8/15.

On TD Ameritrade, they take your money on the 10th (take it out of the money you can trade with when you hit purchase which can be as early as the 8th) and buy the bill on the 15th during time which you earn no interest. Thus the reason that I stopped buying 4 and 8 week bills at auction. Secondary markets settle the next day so often a better deal. Treasury direct does not take the money from your bank account till the day it settles and Vanguard keeps it in the settlement fund earning interest till the day it settles as well. Not sure about the other brokerage houses. Also, not sure if you rollover the t-bills how the time between redemption and the next auction works as far as any interest you are losing as that is often a week of interest as well.

FYI, if you do the math, 4 weeks for $10,000 usually gets you about $40 in interest for letting them hold your money for 5 weeks.

The Monday auctions for 3 months and six months settle on Thursday so much less time to hold your money for nothing and less redemption downtime.

The money market funds often have repurchase agreements that are taxed at the state and local level but obviously more liquid. Am looking into the ETFs now.

Good luck to everyone!
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I'd recommend searching for diamondnestegg on youtube. She has a bunch of very useful videos on how to purchase and where explaining step by step on how to do it.

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Aug 10, 2023 03:11 AM
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GregG4996Aug 10, 2023 03:11 AM
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Quote from TheBondKing :
The insurance is in USD. There's a huge flaw in your entire rant. It's USD. If the government defaults, that means all USD is worth $0. Doesn't matter if you're in cash or retired. You'll be broke. lol what how are you not comprehending that? They should really teach this stuff in school. Econ 101
If you even could comprehend an economics 101 class would surprise me. I am very diversified. when your broke investing in bonds, I will still be enjoying my retirement.
Last edited by GregG4996 August 9, 2023 at 09:14 PM.
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coolchapAug 10, 2023 03:20 AM
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A noob question - would it be possible to buy this with the money from the business a/c ? Do you need to open a brokerage a/c for your business too in this case ?
Aug 10, 2023 03:23 AM
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gcretroAug 10, 2023 03:23 AM
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Quote from goughbadley :
This is great reminder to move my I bonds to s bonds
Do you mean move it to T-bills or did you mean bond?

My question:
Over a year perhaps 1.5 yrs ago, I bought $10k (each my name and spouse) into i-series bonds since back then the interest rate was like 9 something %. I don't know how long it earned interest at 9.xx %. I recall reading if redeemed before 5 yrs, 3 months interest is lost.

So, how do I calculate if it makes sense to move it to t-bills?

thx
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AmusedClover403Aug 10, 2023 03:23 AM
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really should check out bogleheads instead of taking investment advice from shopaholics lol…
but yeah these short-term risk free rates are the highest in my lifetime.
Last edited by AmusedClover403 August 9, 2023 at 09:27 PM.
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grocerylistAug 10, 2023 03:26 AM
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Quote from E4300 :
Those who have not experienced multiple bear markets believed that the market always fully recover in 1-2 years. That's because we had a decade of 0% interest (there is no alternatives). The government didn't want to raise tax or curb spending.

I strongly believe that I will not see 0% fed fund rate again in my lifetime. The market may run up another 10-20% from current level, which will then bring about a very long bear market that could last 10-15 years. Treasury is a great place to park your $ if you embrace this logic.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/S...c=fin-srch
I don't know about you but I'm looking forward to a 10-15 year fire sale for the stock market.
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BondTraderAug 10, 2023 03:29 AM
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Quote from GregG4996 :
If you even could comprehend an economics 101 class would surprise me. I am very diversified. when your broke investing in bonds, I will still be enjoying my retirement.
I'm an institutional investor… you clearly have no idea how the world works. You somehow think if the U.S. defaults other asset classes will be safe. Unless you're trading credit default swaps or shorting futures, you're not safe no matter what you're in, not even gold. How exactly do you think investors will cover margin calls? Nothing is safe, sorry old man. You have a few decades before you can go toe to toe with me in finance.
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FuschiaCaribou204Aug 10, 2023 03:33 AM
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does anyone know if you normally pay state income in tax in california on your high interest savings and cash accounts. I currently have a wealthfront at I think 4.75 plus a boost to 5.5. Wondering if these are worth buying?

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captaincaptiveAug 10, 2023 03:35 AM
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Quote from coolchap :
A noob question - would it be possible to buy this with the money from the business a/c ? Do you need to open a brokerage a/c for your business too in this case ?
I imagine yes. It will be like a opening a business checking account at a bank.
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Quote from grocerylist :
I don't know about you but I'm looking forward to a 10-15 year fire sale for the stock market.
There a good deals out there, but you have to stay disciplined to make money.

XOM, a dividend king stock was trading below 38 in 2020. Yielding 10% in an industry filled with feast and famine years. With CA gas north of $5.20/gal, I fully expect XOM to break out of recent 119 high next year.
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captaincaptiveAug 10, 2023 03:44 AM
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Quote from FuschiaCaribou204 :
does anyone know if you normally pay state income in tax in california on your high interest savings and cash accounts. I currently have a wealthfront at I think 4.75 plus a boost to 5.5. Wondering if these are worth buying?
I live in CA. Savings account interest are taxed both by the federal and state government. At raisin.com, they have savings accounts at various banks for 5.25% if you want to stick with savings accounts.
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Quote from FuschiaCaribou204 :
does anyone know if you normally pay state income in tax in california on your high interest savings and cash accounts. I currently have a wealthfront at I think 4.75 plus a boost to 5.5. Wondering if these are worth buying?
CA treats interest income the same as earned income. Fully taxable, just like your wage.
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labboyproAug 10, 2023 03:53 AM
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Quote from TheBondKing :
There's a huge flaw in your entire rant.
At least one. Maybe more... especially the billionaire boy wonder story.


Quote from TheBondKing :
I'm an institutional investor… you clearly have no idea how the world works. You somehow think if the U.S. defaults other asset classes will be safe. Unless you're trading credit default swaps or shorting futures, you're not safe no matter what you're in, not even gold.
Maybe he 100% barters with peanut butter and toilet paper as currency.
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Aug 10, 2023 04:03 AM
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Quote from TheBondKing :
I'm an institutional investor… you clearly have no idea how the world works. You somehow think if the U.S. defaults other asset classes will be safe. Unless you're trading credit default swaps or shorting futures, you're not safe no matter what you're in, not even gold. How exactly do you think investors will cover margin calls? Nothing is safe, sorry old man. You have a few decades before you can go toe to toe with me in finance.
Price of dividend king/aristocrat stocks may go down, but the companies will continue to pay and increase the dividends. No one can predict what will happen when the US default, because the treasury has the power to print $ out of thin air!

Diversification = mediocre performance. SP 500 currently yields 1.4%. If you own a dividend king/aristocrat stock paying north of 6% yield, then you will be way ahead after 20 years thanks to the magic of compounding interest. There is no management fee. Fed tax on qualified dividend is 0-20%.
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Waiting4HopeAug 10, 2023 04:29 AM
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Quote from gcretro :
Do you mean move it to T-bills or did you mean bond?

My question:
Over a year perhaps 1.5 yrs ago, I bought $10k (each my name and spouse) into i-series bonds since back then the interest rate was like 9 something %. I don't know how long it earned interest at 9.xx %. I recall reading if redeemed before 5 yrs, 3 months interest is lost.

So, how do I calculate if it makes sense to move it to t-bills?

thx
Good reminder, I just realized that it is earning only 4.3% right now. I will loose 3months of interest if move from Ibond. Math time !!

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JonDaMan4PrezAug 10, 2023 04:46 AM
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So glad I bought so many shares of qqqm last year instead of these bonds and t bills
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