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frontpagechunmanc123 posted Aug 07, 2023 04:53 AM

U.S. Treasury: Short Term Treasury Bills (4-Week-52-Week Maturity) Up to

5.50% Interest

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Note: Rates are subject to change daily; rates are the daily secondary market quotations on the most recently auctioned Treasury Bills for each maturity tranche (4-week, 8-week, 13-week, 17-week, 26-week, and 52-week) for which Treasury currently issues new bills. Up to Date Rates can be found here (scroll to bottom of list)

U.S. Government Treasury is offering Up to 5.499% Coupon Rate (Interest Rate) on Short Term Treasury Bills which can be Purchased for a Duration of 4-Weeks-52 Weeks Maturity.

Thanks community member chunmanc123 for sharing this deal

Note, if interested, you may choose to purchase Treasury Bills through your preferred Brokerage Firm

Example Current Rates (8/9/23): (Coupon Rates [Interest Rates] change daily):
  • 13-Week Maturity: 5.451%
  • 26-Week Maturity: 5.499%
  • 52-Week Maturity: 5.351%

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Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
  • About this Offer:
    • Interest paid: When the bill matures
    • Minimum purchase : $100
    • In increments of: $100
    • Maximum purchase: $10 million (non-competitive bid)
    • Auction frequency:
      • Every four weeks for 52-week bills
      • Weekly for 4, 8, 13, 17, 26-week bills
      • No regular schedule for Cash Management Bills
      • See the Auction calendar for specific date
      • More Info
    • Taxes: Federal tax due on interest earned. No state or local taxes
  • Refer to forum thread for discussion from the community regarding this offer. -slickdewmaster

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Written by chunmanc123
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Note: Rates are subject to change daily; rates are the daily secondary market quotations on the most recently auctioned Treasury Bills for each maturity tranche (4-week, 8-week, 13-week, 17-week, 26-week, and 52-week) for which Treasury currently issues new bills. Up to Date Rates can be found here (scroll to bottom of list)

U.S. Government Treasury is offering Up to 5.499% Coupon Rate (Interest Rate) on Short Term Treasury Bills which can be Purchased for a Duration of 4-Weeks-52 Weeks Maturity.

Thanks community member chunmanc123 for sharing this deal

Note, if interested, you may choose to purchase Treasury Bills through your preferred Brokerage Firm

Example Current Rates (8/9/23): (Coupon Rates [Interest Rates] change daily):
  • 13-Week Maturity: 5.451%
  • 26-Week Maturity: 5.499%
  • 52-Week Maturity: 5.351%

Editor's Notes

Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
  • About this Offer:
    • Interest paid: When the bill matures
    • Minimum purchase : $100
    • In increments of: $100
    • Maximum purchase: $10 million (non-competitive bid)
    • Auction frequency:
      • Every four weeks for 52-week bills
      • Weekly for 4, 8, 13, 17, 26-week bills
      • No regular schedule for Cash Management Bills
      • See the Auction calendar for specific date
      • More Info
    • Taxes: Federal tax due on interest earned. No state or local taxes
  • Refer to forum thread for discussion from the community regarding this offer. -slickdewmaster

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OliveFlag247
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To clarify...

Treasury BILLS are currently paying over 5% for various maturity lengths under 1 year. These can be bought through most brokerages even without a TreasuryDirect account.

Treasury BONDS are paying 4% or less and have 20 or 30 year terms.
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Have learned so much on this site so am trying to return the favor with what I've learned that I don't see anyone else talking about.

The 4 week bill ordering opens tomorrow 8/8, the deadline to buy it is sometime Thursday 8/10 morning depending on where you are buying it and it settles on 8/15.

On TD Ameritrade, they take your money on the 10th (take it out of the money you can trade with when you hit purchase which can be as early as the 8th) and buy the bill on the 15th during time which you earn no interest. Thus the reason that I stopped buying 4 and 8 week bills at auction. Secondary markets settle the next day so often a better deal. Treasury direct does not take the money from your bank account till the day it settles and Vanguard keeps it in the settlement fund earning interest till the day it settles as well. Not sure about the other brokerage houses. Also, not sure if you rollover the t-bills how the time between redemption and the next auction works as far as any interest you are losing as that is often a week of interest as well.

FYI, if you do the math, 4 weeks for $10,000 usually gets you about $40 in interest for letting them hold your money for 5 weeks.

The Monday auctions for 3 months and six months settle on Thursday so much less time to hold your money for nothing and less redemption downtime.

The money market funds often have repurchase agreements that are taxed at the state and local level but obviously more liquid. Am looking into the ETFs now.

Good luck to everyone!
oonchie
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I'd recommend searching for diamondnestegg on youtube. She has a bunch of very useful videos on how to purchase and where explaining step by step on how to do it.

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Aug 14, 2023 07:31 PM
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DrTadWinslowAug 14, 2023 07:31 PM
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Crap, just had this come up in my SD feed.

Is it too late to take advantage?
Aug 14, 2023 07:36 PM
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LyrradAug 14, 2023 07:36 PM
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Quote from DrTadWinslow :
Crap, just had this come up in my SD feed.

Is it too late to take advantage?
This thread is mainly discussing purchasing Treasury Bills at auction and on the secondary market.

Rates change over time. Bills up to six months are auctioned weekly, and existing bills can be purchased at a brokerage at any time the bond market is open.

How to purchase and the details have been discussed several times, and there are further details in the thread wiki.

Is there anything else you want to know?
Last edited by Lyrrad August 14, 2023 at 01:40 PM.
Aug 14, 2023 08:02 PM
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smartdealsAug 14, 2023 08:02 PM
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Quote from Lyrrad :
Did you buy at auction? With the auction, you should get that price with the funds due on Thursday.
it is auction, my question is why my price is 97.33319 not 97.325611 as published
Aug 14, 2023 08:04 PM
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BrentH560Aug 14, 2023 08:04 PM
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Anyone see a problem with putting 80k into a 4 week?
Aug 14, 2023 08:23 PM
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yapperingAug 14, 2023 08:23 PM
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Quote from BrentH560 :
Anyone see a problem with putting 80k into a 4 week?
No problem
Aug 14, 2023 08:25 PM
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smartdealsAug 14, 2023 08:25 PM
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no problem, and no limit, 8 mi also work
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DrTadWinslowAug 14, 2023 08:32 PM
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Quote from Lyrrad :
This thread is mainly discussing purchasing Treasury Bills at auction and on the secondary market.

Rates change over time. Bills up to six months are auctioned weekly, and existing bills can be purchased at a brokerage at any time the bond market is open.

How to purchase and the details have been discussed several times, and there are further details in the thread wiki.

Is there anything else you want to know?
Yep, I'm trying to work my way through all the comments to educate myself, but it seems like the treasury offers them in certain windows, and if you miss the window, you need to do it in the secondary market. Is that correct?

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shahhereAug 14, 2023 08:35 PM
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Anyone know the details about Fidelity New issue GSE Bonds: I am looking at CUSIP"3133EPTB1" which is a 20 year bond with a 6.3% coupon and despite being callable the first call date is 8/14/2024 so I am treating this as a 1 year bond worse case or more.


The question is that generally the settlement dates of 8/14/2023 the bonds disappear in new issue and then can only be purchased on secondary market but today they are still available to buy as of this writing (4.34PM) and I am not sure why or whats wrong in my thinking. I am adding these to my parents IRA accounts in part as a fixed income for at least a year noted above for the 6.3% rate.



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labboyproAug 14, 2023 08:35 PM
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Quote from DrTadWinslow :
Yep, I'm trying to work my way through all the comments to educate myself, but it seems like the treasury offers them in certain windows, and if you miss the window, you need to do it in the secondary market. Is that correct?
No. The windows recur weekly, etc.
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shahhereAug 14, 2023 08:37 PM
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Quote from DrTadWinslow :
Yep, I'm trying to work my way through all the comments to educate myself, but it seems like the treasury offers them in certain windows, and if you miss the window, you need to do it in the secondary market. Is that correct?

If its not Treasury then Fidelity is the best option for new and secondary based on the listings and the fees. I have IRAs for my folks in Vanguard and they charge a $1 or other secondary fees that I can easily avoid and so even opened up new Fidelity accounts last week just to not pay that.


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shahhereAug 14, 2023 08:40 PM
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PS. If anyone has done IRA conversions and knows a thing or 2 about taxation and how to go about that; I'd appreciate a PM to help discuss things out for my parents.


They paid a management company and despite paying fees they were only at about 2.3% growth for the last 5 years and am helping simplify a lot of what they own myself and getting my own education up around all of this including Bonds/Bills etc.


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DrTadWinslowAug 14, 2023 08:43 PM
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Quote from labboypro :
No. The windows recur weekly, etc.
Gotcha, so if they're weekly, why bother with the secondary market at all?
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labboyproAug 14, 2023 08:51 PM
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Quote from DrTadWinslow :
Gotcha, so if they're weekly, why bother with the secondary market at all?
Some are weekly, some are at other intervals. All are infinitely recurring. Read the thread. Most questions have already been addressed.
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nyc10036Aug 14, 2023 08:53 PM
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Quote from shahhere :
PS. If anyone has done IRA conversions and knows a thing or 2 about taxation and how to go about that; I'd appreciate a PM to help discuss things out for my parents.


They paid a management company and despite paying fees they were only at about 2.3% growth for the last 5 years and am helping simplify a lot of what they own myself and getting my own education up around all of this including Bonds/Bills etc.


Shahhere
https://investor.vanguard.com/inv...conversion

Because your parents financials are not the same as anybody else's, you'll have to do your own research.

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nyc10036Aug 14, 2023 08:54 PM
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Quote from shahhere :
If its not Treasury then Fidelity is the best option for new and secondary based on the listings and the fees. I have IRAs for my folks in Vanguard and they charge a $1 or other secondary fees that I can easily avoid and so even opened up new Fidelity accounts last week just to not pay that.


Shahhere
What?
Care to elaborate ?

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