expiredcybertronicify posted Aug 12, 2023 10:41 PM
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expiredcybertronicify posted Aug 12, 2023 10:41 PM
FIRMAN W01682F 2000/1600W Recoil Start Inverter Generator (Refurbished)
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I would say the math on a whole home generator would trump your Ecoflow easily, but no one should bring up a whole home generator and do the math vs a $200 generator. HOW ARE YOU NOT SEEING THE INAPPROPRIATENESS OF YOUR POST? It is classic troll 101.
I would say the math on a whole home generator would trump your Ecoflow easily, but no one should bring up a whole home generator and do the math vs a $200 generator. HOW ARE YOU NOT SEEING THE INAPPROPRIATENESS OF YOUR POST? It is classic troll 101.
Move on, I am not forcing you to get anything. I was just sharing the math that isn't very popular. The math of the price is so easy I don't have to break it down for anyone because I believe people here are smart enough to figure that out.
Is that the reason why you are mad? Because I did not compute the price? Do you want me to do it for you? Are you still having difficulties figuring the math of it? Let me know.
It's just sad that you really are hurting right now. I apologize for sharing that information and for not computing the price.... but I did mention it that you have to consider the price.... am I right?
Move on, I am not forcing you to get anything. I was just sharing the math that isn't very popular. The math of the price is so easy I don't have to break it down for anyone because I believe people here are smart enough to figure that out.
Is that the reason why you are mad? Because I did not compute the price? Do you want me to do it for you? Are you still having difficulties figuring the math of it? Let me know.
It's just sad that you really are hurting right now. I apologize for sharing that information and for not computing the price.... but I did mention it that you have to consider the price.... am I right?
Not sure why people are so hostile here. I just did the math, and you did not like it.
Move on, I am not forcing you to get anything. I was just sharing the math that isn't very popular. The math of the price is so easy I don't have to break it down for anyone because I believe people here are smart enough to figure that out.
Is that the reason why you are mad? Because I did not compute the price? Do you want me to do it for you? Are you still having difficulties figuring the math of it? Let me know.
It's just sad that you really are hurting right now. I apologize for sharing that information and for not computing the price.... but I did mention it that you have to consider the price.... am I right?
- Superbly quiet
- Superbly reliable
- Not actually any more efficient than many other inverter gensets available. Size your generator appropriately to your real load (even inverter gens) for efficiency.
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The answer:
400 gallons when on sale. $2000
600 gallons regular days. $3000
Given:
- 1 gallon will produce 3600wh = That's $5
- 3600wh is 1 cycle for EDP = That's less than $1 or free if you use solar or charge at free EV charging stations.
So we can simplify that every $5 you spend for the gas generator, you only need to spend $1 (or less) for EDPro. The ratio is 5:1 of spending.So after 400 gallons you would have spent $2000. 400 gallons is around 1000-3600 hrs of generator usage... you may need to replace your generator at this point or if not, do a major maintenance. Sparkplug, oil, etc.
On the other hand, that would only be roughly equivalent to 400 cycles on the EDPro. So you still have 3100 cycles left. Plenty of life left and if you're not discharging from 0-100, then it's not considered a cycle. But we're assuming here that you're careless and really doing 0-100% cycles.
If you use all 3500 cycles (to 80%) on the EDPro, then that is equivalent to $17,500 worth of gas (assuming gasoline will remain $5/gallon in the next 10 yrs which is impossible).
At 3500th cycle of the EDPro, you can still use it but can now only store 2880wh instead of the original 3600wh. At this point, your gas generator has already consumed 3500 gallons or over 10,000 to 30,000 hrs of operation. I'm sure you'd be on your 5th gas generator at that point and you still have your original EDPro.
You see, the math is so simple, and I hope I made my explanation clear.
But then again, I am not saying EDPro is better, it still need the gas generator to make life easier. You need both... like I said 1000 times
The answer:
400 gallons when on sale. $2000
600 gallons regular days. $3000
Given:
- 1 gallon will produce 3600wh = That's $5
- 3600wh is 1 cycle for EDP = That's less than $1 or free if you use solar or charge at free EV charging stations.
So we can simplify that every $5 you spend for the gas generator, you only need to spend $1 (or less) for EDPro. The ratio is 5:1 of spending.So after 400 gallons you would have spent $2000. 400 gallons is around 1000-3600 hrs of generator usage... you may need to replace your generator at this point or if not, do a major maintenance. Sparkplug, oil, etc.
On the other hand, that would only be roughly equivalent to 400 cycles on the EDPro. So you still have 3100 cycles left. Plenty of life left and if you're not discharging from 0-100, then it's not considered a cycle. But we're assuming here that you're careless and really doing 0-100% cycles.
If you use all 3500 cycles (to 80%) on the EDPro, then that is equivalent to $17,500 worth of gas (assuming gasoline will remain $5/gallon in the next 10 yrs which is impossible).
At 3500th cycle of the EDPro, you can still use it but can now only store 2880wh instead of the original 3600wh. At this point, your gas generator has already consumed 3500 gallons or over 10,000 to 30,000 hrs of operation. I'm sure you'd be on your 5th gas generator at that point and you still have your original EDPro.
You see, the math is so simple, and I hope I made my explanation clear.
But then again, I am not saying EDPro is better, it still need the gas generator to make life easier. You need both... like I said 1000 times
I apologize.
The answer:
400 gallons when on sale. $2000
600 gallons regular days. $3000
Given:
- 1 gallon will produce 3600wh = That's $5
- 3600wh is 1 cycle for EDP = That's less than $1 or free if you use solar or charge at free EV charging stations.
So we can simplify that every $5 you spend for the gas generator, you only need to spend $1 (or less) for EDPro. The ratio is 5:1 of spending.So after 400 gallons you would have spent $2000. 400 gallons is around 1000-3600 hrs of generator usage... you may need to replace your generator at this point or if not, do a major maintenance. Sparkplug, oil, etc.
On the other hand, that would only be roughly equivalent to 400 cycles on the EDPro. So you still have 3100 cycles left. Plenty of life left and if you're not discharging from 0-100, then it's not considered a cycle. But we're assuming here that you're careless and really doing 0-100% cycles.
If you use all 3500 cycles (to 80%) on the EDPro, then that is equivalent to $17,500 worth of gas (assuming gasoline will remain $5/gallon in the next 10 yrs which is impossible).
At 3500th cycle of the EDPro, you can still use it but can now only store 2880wh instead of the original 3600wh. At this point, your gas generator has already consumed 3500 gallons or over 10,000 to 30,000 hrs of operation. I'm sure you'd be on your 5th gas generator at that point and you still have your original EDPro.
You see, the math is so simple, and I hope I made my explanation clear.
But then again, I am not saying EDPro is better, it still need the gas generator to make life easier. You need both... like I said 1000 times
I apologize.
1. You still haven't taken into account the cost of the item itself (Ecoflow Pro and generator). Please rerun your analysis.
2. The target audience of this generator is using it as a backup energy source such as during a blackout, not something they are living off of. Nobody in their right mind is buying this thinking they will use this for 1000 hours let alone 3600 hours. NOBODY.
3. During such a blackout, you will not have electricity to recharge this, so if you are using solar please add the cost of solar panels into your equation in #1 and redo the analysis. You are presuming most people have a free charging station available to them. There are many people who don't. Even if it may show it on maps, many free stations do not work. Also, you would need to presume those stations are operational during a big city-wide blackout. having lived through many hurricanes and floods, I can tell you they do not work during these times. If you are shifting your argument back to solar at this point, then please make sure you have enough panels to charge this as fast as you can consume it. Rerun your analysis.
4. "You need both... like I said 1000 times". No you haven't. This is only the second time you have mentioned it and first after I have called you out. If you are needing both then your analysis is completely out the window because now you need to add the cost of gasoline and the cost of the Ecoflow. Please rerun another analysis for this situation.
Thank you.
At 3500th cycle of the EDPro, you can still use it but can now only store 2880wh instead of the original 3600wh. At this point, your gas generator has already consumed 3500 gallons or over 10,000 to 30,000 hrs of operation. I'm sure you'd be on your 5th gas generator at that point and you still have your original EDPro.
Don't just assume that after 3500 cycles you'll get 3500 more because the capacity is lower lol, the battery chemistry degrades at a much greater pace after that point. That's why the manufacturer doesn't warranty it past 80%
25% of 1600w is 400w.
So, in 9 hours continuous run at 400w, you extracted. 3600wh of energy
So, 1 gallon ($5 per gallon) can give you 3600wh.
Now compare this to Ecoflow Delta Pro. If it's fully charged, it has 3600wh stored energy. How much does it cost to fully charge it?
Say 25 cents per kwh.. so you will only spend less than a dollar to fully charge an Ecoflow Delta Pro and you will get the same amount of energy stored.
Summary:
1 gallon gets you 3600wh of energy using this generator. That's $5.
If you fully charge an Ecoflow Delta Pro, you also get to store 3600wh of energy, but you will only spend less than a dollar. Free if you charge it using solar.
PS:
This is just a rough calculation. There are many other things to consider such as Efficiency and they are not factored in. Also, consider the price of each. Not saying this or that is better, I am just showing comparison.
2. The target audience of this generator is using it as a backup energy source such as during a blackout, not something they are living off of. Nobody in their right mind is buying this thinking they will use this for 1000 hours let alone 3600 hours. NOBODY.
3. During such a blackout, you will not have electricity to recharge this, so if you are using solar please add the cost of solar panels into your equation in #1 and redo the analysis. You are presuming most people have a free charging station available to them. There are many people who don't. Even if it may show it on maps, many free stations do not work. Also, you would need to presume those stations are operational during a big city-wide blackout. having lived through many hurricanes and floods, I can tell you they do not work during these times. If you are shifting your argument back to solar at this point, then please make sure you have enough panels to charge this as fast as you can consume it. Rerun your analysis.
4. "You need both... like I said 1000 times". No you haven't. This is only the second time you have mentioned it and first after I have called you out. If you are needing both then your analysis is completely out the window because now you need to add the cost of gasoline and the cost of the Ecoflow. Please rerun another analysis for this situation.
Thank you.
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