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FIRMAN W01682F 2000/1600W Recoil Start Inverter Generator (Refurbished)

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firmanpowerequipment via eBay has FIRMAN W01682F 2000/1600W Recoil Start Inverter Generator (Refurbished) on sale for $199.99. Shipping is free.

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About this Item:
  • 0.9-gallon tank
  • Up to 9 hours of run time at 25% load
  • ≤ 3% low THD- Clean power
  • Weight: 45.9 lbs
  • 59 dB at 1/4 load
  • 80cc fuel engine
  • Recoil start
  • Low oil shut off
  • Cast iron sleeve
  • Running watts 1600W
  • Starting watts 2000W
  • 120 volts
  • 1x 5-20R 120V 20A SINGLE
  • 1x L5-30R 120V 30A TWIST LOCK
  • 1x USB OUTLET(5V 2.1A)

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  • About this Deal:
    • Rated 4.5 out of 5 stars from customer reviews.
  • Condition Notes:
    • This product has been REFURBISHED to exacting specifications by FIRMAN technicians. Certified to work as new. May have cosmetic blemishes.

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firmanpowerequipment via eBay has FIRMAN W01682F 2000/1600W Recoil Start Inverter Generator (Refurbished) on sale for $199.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Community Member cybertronicify for sharing this deal.

About this Item:
  • 0.9-gallon tank
  • Up to 9 hours of run time at 25% load
  • ≤ 3% low THD- Clean power
  • Weight: 45.9 lbs
  • 59 dB at 1/4 load
  • 80cc fuel engine
  • Recoil start
  • Low oil shut off
  • Cast iron sleeve
  • Running watts 1600W
  • Starting watts 2000W
  • 120 volts
  • 1x 5-20R 120V 20A SINGLE
  • 1x L5-30R 120V 30A TWIST LOCK
  • 1x USB OUTLET(5V 2.1A)

Editor's Notes

Written by SlickDealio
  • About this Deal:
    • Rated 4.5 out of 5 stars from customer reviews.
  • Condition Notes:
    • This product has been REFURBISHED to exacting specifications by FIRMAN technicians. Certified to work as new. May have cosmetic blemishes.

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cleared
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Why are you comparing a $3200 battery setup to a $200 generator and $5 of gas?
rollins88
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I got the 3200w dual fuel inverter for $280 last month. Worth every penny!
AristotleA
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If this gets you through one hurricane Sandy then caputs it worth the $200

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Aug 14, 2023 05:22 AM
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superslickzAug 14, 2023 05:22 AM
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Quote from kherbinoskie :
Information.
But you decided to bring this "information" into a $200 generator thread. Not a $3000 generator or a $2000 generator, but a $200 generator compared to your $4000 product.

I would say the math on a whole home generator would trump your Ecoflow easily, but no one should bring up a whole home generator and do the math vs a $200 generator. HOW ARE YOU NOT SEEING THE INAPPROPRIATENESS OF YOUR POST? It is classic troll 101.
Aug 14, 2023 05:30 AM
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kherbinoskieAug 14, 2023 05:30 AM
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Quote from superslickz :
But you decided to bring this "information" into a $200 generator thread. Not a $3000 generator or a $2000 generator, but a $200 generator compared to your $4000 product.

I would say the math on a whole home generator would trump your Ecoflow easily, but no one should bring up a whole home generator and do the math vs a $200 generator. HOW ARE YOU NOT SEEING THE INAPPROPRIATENESS OF YOUR POST? It is classic troll 101.
Having more information is a good thing. But being hurt because you heard an information you don't like is something else.

Move on, I am not forcing you to get anything. I was just sharing the math that isn't very popular. The math of the price is so easy I don't have to break it down for anyone because I believe people here are smart enough to figure that out.

Is that the reason why you are mad? Because I did not compute the price? Do you want me to do it for you? Are you still having difficulties figuring the math of it? Let me know.

It's just sad that you really are hurting right now. I apologize for sharing that information and for not computing the price.... but I did mention it that you have to consider the price.... am I right?
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Aug 14, 2023 05:36 AM
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superslickzAug 14, 2023 05:36 AM
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Quote from kherbinoskie :
Having more information is a good thing. But being hurt because you heard an information you don't like is something else.

Move on, I am not forcing you to get anything. I was just sharing the math that isn't very popular. The math of the price is so easy I don't have to break it down for anyone because I believe people here are smart enough to figure that out.

Is that the reason why you are mad? Because I did not compute the price? Do you want me to do it for you? Are you still having difficulties figuring the math of it? Let me know.

It's just sad that you really are hurting right now. I apologize for sharing that information and for not computing the price.... but I did mention it that you have to consider the price.... am I right?
Yes do a true analysis of the math of the products for me in addition to your math please. Tell me how many gallons of gas I will need before i get to the cost of your Ecoflow pro.
Aug 14, 2023 05:37 AM
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AogenAug 14, 2023 05:37 AM
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Quote from kherbinoskie :
The fact is, I don't have the Ecoflow, but I have a gas generator A-iPower SUA2300i for years now. But yes, I want to buy the Ecoflow but I cannot afford it. I have to have both because they complete each other.

Not sure why people are so hostile here. I just did the math, and you did not like it.
This isn't your blog, nobody cares if you want a $2000 power bank. Advertising without paying is against the rules and this is a $200 generator thread so wrong target audience.
Aug 14, 2023 05:43 AM
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superslickzAug 14, 2023 05:43 AM
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Quote from kherbinoskie :
Having more information is a good thing. But being hurt because you heard an information you don't like is something else.

Move on, I am not forcing you to get anything. I was just sharing the math that isn't very popular. The math of the price is so easy I don't have to break it down for anyone because I believe people here are smart enough to figure that out.

Is that the reason why you are mad? Because I did not compute the price? Do you want me to do it for you? Are you still having difficulties figuring the math of it? Let me know.

It's just sad that you really are hurting right now. I apologize for sharing that information and for not computing the price.... but I did mention it that you have to consider the price.... am I right?
And you didn't really bother reading all of my posts. I did say that I have thought about long and hard about going the battery route as a backup solution. I know very well the pros and cons of doing it. I just would NEVER bring it up in a $200 generator post.
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Quote from AristotleA :
Why is it that all the food carts that run 20 hrs per day every day use a Honda.
Rhetorical? Probably.
- Superbly quiet
- Superbly reliable
- Not actually any more efficient than many other inverter gensets available. Size your generator appropriately to your real load (even inverter gens) for efficiency.
Aug 14, 2023 06:03 AM
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clearedAug 14, 2023 06:03 AM
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Quote from AlpineM3 :
Is this good enough to just buy and keep in the garage and only use when we we have California power outages due to high wind conditions? Need it to run my fridge.
It should be, doubt your fridge is using a ton of watts to run. I have the larger dual fuel model and I run a lot of stuff off it.

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Aug 14, 2023 07:22 AM
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kherbinoskieAug 14, 2023 07:22 AM
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Quote from superslickz :
Yes do a true analysis of the math of the products for me in addition to your math please. Tell me how many gallons of gas I will need before i get to the cost of your Ecoflow pro.
I thought you'd never ask.

The answer:
400 gallons when on sale. $2000
600 gallons regular days. $3000

Given:
  • 1 gallon will produce 3600wh = That's $5
  • 3600wh is 1 cycle for EDP = That's less than $1 or free if you use solar or charge at free EV charging stations.
So we can simplify that every $5 you spend for the gas generator, you only need to spend $1 (or less) for EDPro. The ratio is 5:1 of spending.

So after 400 gallons you would have spent $2000. 400 gallons is around 1000-3600 hrs of generator usage... you may need to replace your generator at this point or if not, do a major maintenance. Sparkplug, oil, etc.

On the other hand, that would only be roughly equivalent to 400 cycles on the EDPro. So you still have 3100 cycles left. Plenty of life left and if you're not discharging from 0-100, then it's not considered a cycle. But we're assuming here that you're careless and really doing 0-100% cycles.

If you use all 3500 cycles (to 80%) on the EDPro, then that is equivalent to $17,500 worth of gas (assuming gasoline will remain $5/gallon in the next 10 yrs which is impossible).

At 3500th cycle of the EDPro, you can still use it but can now only store 2880wh instead of the original 3600wh. At this point, your gas generator has already consumed 3500 gallons or over 10,000 to 30,000 hrs of operation. I'm sure you'd be on your 5th gas generator at that point and you still have your original EDPro.


You see, the math is so simple, and I hope I made my explanation clear.


But then again, I am not saying EDPro is better, it still need the gas generator to make life easier. You need both... like I said 1000 times


Quote from Aogen :
This isn't your blog, nobody cares if you want a $2000 power bank. Advertising without paying is against the rules and this is a $200 generator thread so wrong target audience.
I apologize.
Last edited by kherbinoskie August 14, 2023 at 12:26 AM.
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MyBallsItchAug 14, 2023 07:29 AM
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Quote from AlpineM3 :
Is this good enough to just buy and keep in the garage and only use when we we have California power outages due to high wind conditions? Need it to run my fridge.
This is perfect for that use, aside from its design flaw described in the first page of discussion. Just don't put it on dirt or sand, set it out in your paved driveway and you're good.
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MyBallsItchAug 14, 2023 07:32 AM
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Quote from kherbinoskie :
I thought you'd never ask.

The answer:
400 gallons when on sale. $2000
600 gallons regular days. $3000

Given:
  • 1 gallon will produce 3600wh = That's $5
  • 3600wh is 1 cycle for EDP = That's less than $1 or free if you use solar or charge at free EV charging stations.
So we can simplify that every $5 you spend for the gas generator, you only need to spend $1 (or less) for EDPro. The ratio is 5:1 of spending.

So after 400 gallons you would have spent $2000. 400 gallons is around 1000-3600 hrs of generator usage... you may need to replace your generator at this point or if not, do a major maintenance. Sparkplug, oil, etc.

On the other hand, that would only be roughly equivalent to 400 cycles on the EDPro. So you still have 3100 cycles left. Plenty of life left and if you're not discharging from 0-100, then it's not considered a cycle. But we're assuming here that you're careless and really doing 0-100% cycles.

If you use all 3500 cycles (to 80%) on the EDPro, then that is equivalent to $17,500 worth of gas (assuming gasoline will remain $5/gallon in the next 10 yrs which is impossible).

At 3500th cycle of the EDPro, you can still use it but can now only store 2880wh instead of the original 3600wh. At this point, your gas generator has already consumed 3500 gallons or over 10,000 to 30,000 hrs of operation. I'm sure you'd be on your 5th gas generator at that point and you still have your original EDPro.


You see, the math is so simple, and I hope I made my explanation clear.


But then again, I am not saying EDPro is better, it still need the gas generator to make life easier. You need both... like I said 1000 times




I apologize.
You are so geeky with all that math you should have 24kw of batteries, two 3kw inverter chargers, 10 440w panels, and 4 generators like me.
Aug 14, 2023 07:46 AM
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superslickzAug 14, 2023 07:46 AM
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Quote from kherbinoskie :
I thought you'd never ask.

The answer:
400 gallons when on sale. $2000
600 gallons regular days. $3000

Given:
  • 1 gallon will produce 3600wh = That's $5
  • 3600wh is 1 cycle for EDP = That's less than $1 or free if you use solar or charge at free EV charging stations.
So we can simplify that every $5 you spend for the gas generator, you only need to spend $1 (or less) for EDPro. The ratio is 5:1 of spending.

So after 400 gallons you would have spent $2000. 400 gallons is around 1000-3600 hrs of generator usage... you may need to replace your generator at this point or if not, do a major maintenance. Sparkplug, oil, etc.

On the other hand, that would only be roughly equivalent to 400 cycles on the EDPro. So you still have 3100 cycles left. Plenty of life left and if you're not discharging from 0-100, then it's not considered a cycle. But we're assuming here that you're careless and really doing 0-100% cycles.

If you use all 3500 cycles (to 80%) on the EDPro, then that is equivalent to $17,500 worth of gas (assuming gasoline will remain $5/gallon in the next 10 yrs which is impossible).

At 3500th cycle of the EDPro, you can still use it but can now only store 2880wh instead of the original 3600wh. At this point, your gas generator has already consumed 3500 gallons or over 10,000 to 30,000 hrs of operation. I'm sure you'd be on your 5th gas generator at that point and you still have your original EDPro.


You see, the math is so simple, and I hope I made my explanation clear.


But then again, I am not saying EDPro is better, it still need the gas generator to make life easier. You need both... like I said 1000 times




I apologize.

1. You still haven't taken into account the cost of the item itself (Ecoflow Pro and generator). Please rerun your analysis.
2. The target audience of this generator is using it as a backup energy source such as during a blackout, not something they are living off of. Nobody in their right mind is buying this thinking they will use this for 1000 hours let alone 3600 hours. NOBODY.
3. During such a blackout, you will not have electricity to recharge this, so if you are using solar please add the cost of solar panels into your equation in #1 and redo the analysis. You are presuming most people have a free charging station available to them. There are many people who don't. Even if it may show it on maps, many free stations do not work. Also, you would need to presume those stations are operational during a big city-wide blackout. having lived through many hurricanes and floods, I can tell you they do not work during these times. If you are shifting your argument back to solar at this point, then please make sure you have enough panels to charge this as fast as you can consume it. Rerun your analysis.
4. "You need both... like I said 1000 times". No you haven't. This is only the second time you have mentioned it and first after I have called you out. If you are needing both then your analysis is completely out the window because now you need to add the cost of gasoline and the cost of the Ecoflow. Please rerun another analysis for this situation.

Thank you.
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Quote from kherbinoskie :
If you use all 3500 cycles (to 80%) on the EDPro, then that is equivalent to $17,500 worth of gas (assuming gasoline will remain $5/gallon in the next 10 yrs which is impossible).

At 3500th cycle of the EDPro, you can still use it but can now only store 2880wh instead of the original 3600wh. At this point, your gas generator has already consumed 3500 gallons or over 10,000 to 30,000 hrs of operation. I'm sure you'd be on your 5th gas generator at that point and you still have your original EDPro.
When a battery reaches 80% capacity it is very close to end of life. Think about the fact that Apple considers an 80% phone battery to need replacing.
Don't just assume that after 3500 cycles you'll get 3500 more because the capacity is lower lol, the battery chemistry degrades at a much greater pace after that point. That's why the manufacturer doesn't warranty it past 80%
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Quote from kherbinoskie :
It says it runs 25% for 9 hours in full tank which is 1 gallon (rounded for simplification)

25% of 1600w is 400w.

So, in 9 hours continuous run at 400w, you extracted. 3600wh of energy

So, 1 gallon ($5 per gallon) can give you 3600wh.

Now compare this to Ecoflow Delta Pro. If it's fully charged, it has 3600wh stored energy. How much does it cost to fully charge it?

Say 25 cents per kwh.. so you will only spend less than a dollar to fully charge an Ecoflow Delta Pro and you will get the same amount of energy stored.

Summary:
1 gallon gets you 3600wh of energy using this generator. That's $5.
If you fully charge an Ecoflow Delta Pro, you also get to store 3600wh of energy, but you will only spend less than a dollar. Free if you charge it using solar.


PS:
This is just a rough calculation. There are many other things to consider such as Efficiency and they are not factored in. Also, consider the price of each. Not saying this or that is better, I am just showing comparison.
Our power went out after a summer storm front took down trees and damaged power lines in the region. We were without power for a couple days, some in our area for longer. For the first 36 hours there was no sun available to charge any type of solar solution. Batteries and renewables are an answer---but not to every problem. Thankfully the roughly equivalent Champion inverter generator I was able to snag at our local farm store kept our refrigerator running, aerated/pumped the septic when needed, and gave us some lighting at night. Best $3.50 per 3600wh I've spent in ages.
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Quote from superslickz :
1. You still haven't taken into account the cost of the item itself (Ecoflow Pro and generator). Please rerun your analysis.
2. The target audience of this generator is using it as a backup energy source such as during a blackout, not something they are living off of. Nobody in their right mind is buying this thinking they will use this for 1000 hours let alone 3600 hours. NOBODY.
3. During such a blackout, you will not have electricity to recharge this, so if you are using solar please add the cost of solar panels into your equation in #1 and redo the analysis. You are presuming most people have a free charging station available to them. There are many people who don't. Even if it may show it on maps, many free stations do not work. Also, you would need to presume those stations are operational during a big city-wide blackout. having lived through many hurricanes and floods, I can tell you they do not work during these times. If you are shifting your argument back to solar at this point, then please make sure you have enough panels to charge this as fast as you can consume it. Rerun your analysis.
4. "You need both... like I said 1000 times". No you haven't. This is only the second time you have mentioned it and first after I have called you out. If you are needing both then your analysis is completely out the window because now you need to add the cost of gasoline and the cost of the Ecoflow. Please rerun another analysis for this situation.

Thank you.
They won't reanalyze because of the absolute denial and ignorance they're going through.

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bizzlejones32Aug 14, 2023 03:13 PM
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FYI I just got an email that the generator comes with a 2 year SquareTrade warranty. I am looking forward to receiving the unit to test and validate the condition. In the previous thread, it sounds like some people got in essence brand new units. The price will be a steal if this is the case. This generator is perfect to power a couple of fridges during a power outage, bring to tailgates, or even power a bounce house at a birthday party. Best part is that it's only 50lbs. Sometimes less is more.

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