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Aug 24, 2023 05:36 PM
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superavenAug 24, 2023 05:36 PM
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Our community has rated this post as helpful. If you agree, why not thank superaven

I purchased the ASUS - TUF 15.6" Gaming Laptop - Intel Core i7 with 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 - 1TB SSD - Mecha Grey [bestbuy.com] when it was on sale at BBY a few weeks ago for the same price. Loving it. Very expandable (2x NVME). All specs say it maxes out at 32GB RAM, but several people online claim it maxes at 64GB. I have a (2x32GB) kit coming tomorrow and will confirm this post then.

UPDATE:64GB (2x32GB) SUPPORT CONFIRMED!!!
Last edited by superaven August 25, 2023 at 08:54 AM.
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Aug 25, 2023 01:47 PM
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Hat-TrickAug 25, 2023 01:47 PM
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That Razer Blade 15 is normally $3000? Makes me feel real good about the Alienware X15 R2 I got from Dell for $1050 with exact same specs (granted, it was from Dell Outlet, but it was in Like New condition).
Aug 25, 2023 02:53 PM
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superavenAug 25, 2023 02:53 PM
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Quote from superaven :
I purchased the ASUS - TUF 15.6" Gaming Laptop - Intel Core i7 with 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 - 1TB SSD ... [bestbuy.com] when it was on sale at BBY a few weeks ago for the same price. Loving it. Very expandable (2x NVME). All specs say it maxes out at 32GB RAM, but several people online claim it maxes at 64GB. I have a (2x32GB) kit coming tomorrow and will confirm this post then.
64GB (2x32GB) SUPPORT CONFIRMED!!!
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Aug 25, 2023 06:29 PM
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fxclm5Aug 25, 2023 06:29 PM
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Quote from superaven :
64GB (2x32GB) SUPPORT CONFIRMED!!!
Sweet, how much did it cost to go to 64gb, I am thinking about going to 32gb for this same laptop
Aug 25, 2023 06:49 PM
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IntranetusaAug 25, 2023 06:49 PM
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Quote from superaven :
I purchased the ASUS - TUF 15.6" Gaming Laptop - Intel Core i7 with 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 - 1TB SSD ... [bestbuy.com] when it was on sale at BBY a few weeks ago for the same price. Loving it. Very expandable (2x NVME). All specs say it maxes out at 32GB RAM, but several people online claim it maxes at 64GB. I have a (2x32GB) kit coming tomorrow and will confirm this post then.

UPDATE:64GB (2x32GB) SUPPORT CONFIRMED!!!
What is the point of 64GB of RAM? Do normal users (eg. people who aren't running scientific, math, or industrial applications) even need 32GB, let alone 64GB?
Last edited by Intranetusa August 25, 2023 at 03:15 PM.
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Aug 25, 2023 07:09 PM
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superavenAug 25, 2023 07:09 PM
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Quote from fxclm5 :
Sweet, how much did it cost to go to 64gb, I am thinking about going to 32gb for this same laptop
Around $100 on Amazon.
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Aug 25, 2023 07:11 PM
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superavenAug 25, 2023 07:11 PM
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Quote from Intranetusa :
What is the point of 64GB of RAM? Do normal users (eg. people who aren't running scientific, math, or industrial applications) even need 32GB?
What leads you to believe I'm a "normal user"? I need what I need.
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Aug 25, 2023 09:14 PM
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IntranetusaAug 25, 2023 09:14 PM
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Quote from superaven :
What leads you to believe I'm a "normal user"? I need what I need.
Because industrial/scientific/math-calculations/etc type users typically don't get consumer grade graphics cards like RTX 4070s in their laptop or desktop.
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Aug 26, 2023 05:35 AM
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bavmAug 26, 2023 05:35 AM
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Quote from Intranetusa :
What is the point of 64GB of RAM? Do normal users (eg. people who aren't running scientific, math, or industrial applications) even need 32GB, let alone 64GB?
For gaming it's not needed but there's applications that can use extra memory if available

I've seen adobe Lightroom take 16-20gb on my desktop while importing photos from my camera.
Aug 26, 2023 12:48 PM
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neowebAug 26, 2023 12:48 PM
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Quote from Intranetusa :
Because industrial/scientific/math-calculations/etc type users typically don't get consumer grade graphics cards like RTX 4070s in their laptop or desktop.
Unfortunately, that is where you are wrong. Consumer grade graphics cards can accelerate these types of computation just fine.
Aug 26, 2023 04:25 PM
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BullyPulpitAug 26, 2023 04:25 PM
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Quote from Intranetusa :
What is the point of 64GB of RAM? Do normal users (eg. people who aren't running scientific, math, or industrial applications) even need 32GB, let alone 64GB?
I have 32 gb in this 13 year old desktop I'm writing this on. I use it regularly, because I have hundreds of browser tabs and tons of ad/script blocking. I have VMs, I play games. I have 64 gb in my work laptop, I don't use that much.

Now, there are other things you could do with it if you wanna take the time to learn/set it up. Such as using mapping a VM filesystem only to the ram (of course, the machine has to stay on and you'll lose everything there with a power failure) or moving system files or other heavily used shit there (games/whatever) post boot for extra speed - but, again, no power = death to the whole thing.

On a Linux machine for example, it's going to create a swap partition that's 2x the size of the ram for paging by default (page file in Windows) if you have enough ram you never need to touch swap/storage - ram is faster.

Regular users? No. I'd consider 16 the minimum at this point though. At work we have thousands that were purchased with 8 and it's way not enough - they're being piecemeal upgraded to 16 w/ an extra stick. When ram is being shared for other shit too, like integrated video, and it's maxed out, it can create other issues.
Aug 27, 2023 01:19 AM
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IntranetusaAug 27, 2023 01:19 AM
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Quote from neoweb :
Unfortunately, that is where you are wrong. Consumer grade graphics cards can accelerate these types of computation just fine.
Raw hardware power is not the only consideration for a graphics card used for professional work.

It's not simply about the hardware of consumer grade graphics card being capable of performing the computations, but about the unique software and additional support that comes with the professional level workstation graphics card. If hardware was the only consideration, then there is little reason for companies to get a professional graphics card that costs 5x-10x than a consumer grade graphics card that has most of the hardware capabilities.

I've worked for companies that specalized in architectural-engineering and scientific (computations for biochemistry) related professions and almost everybody were using professional grade workstation graphics cards. This includes companies where the tech team were using consumer grade graphics cards for their personal computers and using workstation professional cards for the company's work computers...so they clearly knew about and were familiar with consumer grade graphics cards.
Last edited by Intranetusa August 26, 2023 at 07:23 PM.
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Aug 27, 2023 01:23 AM
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IntranetusaAug 27, 2023 01:23 AM
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Quote from BullyPulpit :
I have 32 gb in this 13 year old desktop I'm writing this on. I use it regularly, because I have hundreds of browser tabs and tons of ad/script blocking. I have VMs, I play games. I have 64 gb in my work laptop, I don't use that much.

Now, there are other things you could do with it if you wanna take the time to learn/set it up. Such as using mapping a VM filesystem only to the ram (of course, the machine has to stay on and you'll lose everything there with a power failure) or moving system files or other heavily used shit there (games/whatever) post boot for extra speed - but, again, no power = death to the whole thing.

On a Linux machine for example, it's going to create a swap partition that's 2x the size of the ram for paging by default (page file in Windows) if you have enough ram you never need to touch swap/storage - ram is faster.

Regular users? No. I'd consider 16 the minimum at this point though. At work we have thousands that were purchased with 8 and it's way not enough - they're being piecemeal upgraded to 16 w/ an extra stick. When ram is being shared for other shit too, like integrated video, and it's maxed out, it can create other issues.
Makes sense. I forgot about virtual machines and how much of a RAM hog those are.

Yeh, 8GB is definitely insufficient for main computers these days and 16GB to 32GB seems to be the sweet spot for the vast majority of consumers.
Aug 27, 2023 02:39 AM
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neowebAug 27, 2023 02:39 AM
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Quote from Intranetusa :
Raw hardware power is not the only consideration for a graphics card used for professional work.

It's not simply about the hardware of consumer grade graphics card being capable of performing the computations, but about the unique software and additional support that comes with the professional level workstation graphics card. If hardware was the only consideration, then there is little reason for companies to get a professional graphics card that costs 5x-10x than a consumer grade graphics card that has most of the hardware capabilities.

I've worked for companies that specalized in architectural-engineering and scientific (computations for biochemistry) related professions and almost everybody were using professional grade workstation graphics cards. This includes companies where the tech team were using consumer grade graphics cards for their personal computers and using workstation professional cards for the company's work computers...so they clearly knew about and were familiar with consumer grade graphics cards.

Your reasoning is not sufficient for your conclusion.
Your conclusion is "Because industrial/scientific/math-calculations/etc type users typically don't get consumer grade graphics cards."
And your proof is that the company you worked for has certain setup.
But does your company really represent typically industrial/scientific/math-calculations/etc type users?
Aren't MATLAB users also industrial/scientific/math-calculations/etc type users?
Aren't PYTHON users also scientific/math-calculations/etc type users?
A few companies in a few fields have shitty GPU support does not translate to "industrial/scientific/math-calculations/etc type users" typically can only choose professional card.

Also, based on this comment and a few previous ones, It's obvious your company does not really handle much data. So please leave user superaven alone. He/She, very likely, understands what is needed better than you.

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Aug 27, 2023 03:07 AM
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VelocityRaptorAug 27, 2023 03:07 AM
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Everyone knows there is no such thing as too much ram. Also, it's their money they can spend it however tf they want. Silly argument.
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