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Tesla Model X & Model S Price Cut

$79,990

$79,990

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It looks like they cut prices on the Model X and Model X Plaid. The base Model X now sells for $79,990 while the Plaid now sells for $89,990. All color options are included too. It also seems as if it might now qualify for a tax credit.

Edit: Model S prices were slashed too.

Model S base model $74,990
Model S Plaid $89,990

https://www.tesla.com/
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It looks like they cut prices on the Model X and Model X Plaid. The base Model X now sells for $79,990 while the Plaid now sells for $89,990. All color options are included too. It also seems as if it might now qualify for a tax credit.

Edit: Model S prices were slashed too.

Model S base model $74,990
Model S Plaid $89,990

https://www.tesla.com/

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kipper99
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Quote from ggapropros :
Curious, which CEO do you buy your cars from?

Thomas Schafer who worked at VAG (vw/audi/porsche) during diesel gate which will kill hundreds of people due to nitrous oxide pollution?

Koji Sato who donates millions to senators who vote for oil subsidies because toyota doesnt know how to make an EV to save its life?

Jose Munoz who continues business with dozens of Hyundai U.S. parts factories that have been caught employing child laborers? and who cheaped out on an $80 immobilizer which has lead to their cars being the most stolen cars in american history?

Mary Barra who killed 124 americans due to a $2 plastic ignition switch instead of a more robust $5 one that wouldnt turn off if your keychain was too heavy?

Is it one of those CEO?

cheers, cant wait for the response.
Mary Barra wasn't a CEO at that time, she actually did a recall
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Quote from kipper99 :
Mary Barra wasn't a CEO at that time, she actually did a recall
"In February 2008, she became vice president of Global Manufacturing Engineering. In July 2009, she advanced to the position of vice president of Global Human Resources, which she held until February 2011 when she was named executive vice president of Global Product Development.[11][14] The latter position included responsibilities for design; she worked to reduce the number of automobile platforms in GM.[3] In August 2013, her vice president responsibility was extended to include Global Purchasing and Supply Chain.[15] "

she was a big stakeholder during the usage of the cheap ignitions, she likely had more insight into them cheaping out on that part than the CEO did.

A lot of the people i listed were not CEOs during the scandals, but they were executives at the companies during the scandals and were directly complicit, and most automobile companies tacitly admit that "hey we have a new CEO but we hired from inside the company because we have no intention of changing our ways"
Last edited by ggapropros September 5, 2023 at 05:55 PM.
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Quote from shughes53 :
Interesting that Tesla isn't even marketing several differentiating X features on their website anymore. Power/auto front doors, unobstructed overhead front glass, gps-based air suspension, bioweapon defense mode, not even mentioned? Did they remove these features, or just decide they're not worth advertising any more?I
I love the model x but it's way over engineered. Like the falcon wing doors, the backseats aren't comfy in the 6 seat config. also the overhead front glass allows too much sun. it is really hot so I keep it mostly covered with a shade.
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Quote from ggapropros :
"In February 2008, she became vice president of Global Manufacturing Engineering. In July 2009, she advanced to the position of vice president of Global Human Resources, which she held until February 2011 when she was named executive vice president of Global Product Development.[11][14] The latter position included responsibilities for design; she worked to reduce the number of automobile platforms in GM.[3] In August 2013, her vice president responsibility was extended to include Global Purchasing and Supply Chain.[15] "

she was a big stakeholder during the ignition recall, she likely had more insight into them cheaping out on that part than the CEO did.

A lot of the people i listed were not CEOs during the scandals, but they were executives at the companies during such scandals who were key decision makers. no question about it.
Ignition key issue going back to 2001, I don't know if she worked at GM that time
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Quote from SeriousLinen819 :
That is the one that matters for me for day to day use. Others are good to have sure, and for me the big OTA update has been tesla vision for parking, and honestly I prefer the physical sensors any day. And yes, if you absolutely want an EV - Tesla is the best option in the US for now. If you go with Tesla , just be prepared that you are buying something that is going mass market (e.g. Toyota) and not luxury (Mercedes). If Tesla is so great, they should be raising prices and not slashing them at every chance - most likely Qtr ends (and no some of it is passing cost benefits to customers - most of it is to boost their unit numbers for wall street).
wow tesla should hire you to be global director of sales and pay you millions in stock options, instead of lowering the price to capture the TAM looking at hondas and toyotas they should instead... stop doing that. Cashflow and investing in future factories? why do that? lets be completely stagnant and chase the dwindling market of people who only buy BMWs, audis, and mercs..
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Quote from kipper99 :
Ignition key issue going back to 2001, I don't know if she worked at GM that time
She worked there since the 80s. They had meetings that their switch wouldnt meet the proper torque requirements of 20 newton meters (was only half of that, 10nm) since 2005. She was absolutely aware of it. She probably sleeps like a baby with 124 americans bloods on her hands though, she was paid $22 million in 2014 to be thrown under the bus and have to issue all the recalls (great play by GM, make her the first woman CEO of the big 3 auto companies and the media will avoid negative press)
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Quote from JamaalJohnson :
"That's like one vacation"
Umm.. That's 10-15 less vacations.

I'm tempted to buy this, but I'd be broke fast if I justified all my purchases that way.
okay then do actual mathematics..

$60000 MSRP underpowered german SUV will cost less upfront but over time will be $8000 per year in total ownership due to its insane maintenance and fuel costs compared to a tesla will hurt your bank account more. And my calculations are assuming that you live in a fairly cheap state with cheap gas. In california your german SUV will add up in fuel so fast.

Its very one dimensional and naive to think that a luxury SUVs only cost is its MSRP.

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Quote from ggapropros :
"In February 2008, she became vice president of Global Manufacturing Engineering. In July 2009, she advanced to the position of vice president of Global Human Resources, which she held until February 2011 when she was named executive vice president of Global Product Development.[11][14] The latter position included responsibilities for design; she worked to reduce the number of automobile platforms in GM.[3] In August 2013, her vice president responsibility was extended to include Global Purchasing and Supply Chain.[15] "

she was a big stakeholder during the usage of the cheap ignitions, she likely had more insight into them cheaping out on that part than the CEO did.

A lot of the people i listed were not CEOs during the scandals, but they were executives at the companies during the scandals and were directly complicit, and most automobile companies tacitly admit that "hey we have a new CEO but we hired from inside the company because we have no intention of changing our ways"
Damn! The series Suits was name after you or something, you're smart! Corporate lawyer, I reckon.
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Quote from Imironman2020 :
I love the model x but it's way over engineered. Like the falcon wing doors, the backseats aren't comfy in the 6 seat config. also the overhead front glass allows too much sun. it is really hot so I keep it mostly covered with a shade.
you mean impractically engineered
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YouLikeDiscipline
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Quote from KaatuPaadi :
If you are buying a 90K car and qualify for rebate, means your income is too low and cant really afford to buy the car...LOL..
This is not necessarily true. Some people are aggressive savers and keep their cars for a long time. I could comfortably purchase this car and would still qualify for the rebate (meaning my income is...."too low").

Equity in my house is RIDONKulous and mortgage per month is super low (2.2% interest)
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Quote from lou85_hf :
Screw Musk. His politics are preventing me from supporting his cars.
Tesla is really bad car anyway.
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Quote from ggapropros :
$300k married income
$80000 - $7500
$72500 / 10 years of ownership = $7250 per year

thats like one vacation to hawaii with your spouse bro LMAO
About 600+ per month. If you lease / loan luxury end car your payments are going to be in similar ballpark. For a family that earns 250+k income that's pretty standard nowadays.
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Quote from Imironman2020 :
for the Model X this is way lower than their lowest price.
No, it factually is not.

It's exactly the same price as it was a few years ago.

As I've pointed out 3 times now and posted a link to pricing charts you apparently did not read.



Quote from Imironman2020 :
I bought the Model X in 2016 and the price was 110,000 dollars for 100D
No, it was not.

You are confusing the P100D (performance model) with the regular 100D.

The regular 100D wasn't even for sale in 2016- it was introduced in January 2017.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/20...ded-range/

Quote from Imironman2020 :
It never has been sub 80,000 dollars.
Except, of course, it has.


May 27, 2020 the LR 100D price dropped from $84,990 to $79,990.

The same price it is today

It didn't start climbing again until January 2021...and now it's...simply back where it was over 3 years ago.




Quote from SeriousLinen819 :
If Tesla is so great, they should be raising prices and not slashing them at every chance -.

This misunderstands a few basic points of economics.

First- as exhaustively covered, these "slashing" of prices are...basically just back to what they were before the covid hikes.

Second, especially for the 3 and Y, they have massively increased production... when that happens you lower prices. If you have higher supply you can't keep hiking prices and expect demand to absorb that higher supply.

The 2021-22 price hikes were because supply wasn't able to ramp to keep up.... now they they've got their second factory fully ramped, and 2 more full factories online ramping up churning out cars (esp. the Y- the best selling car in the world) they can revert back to previous pricing.




Quote from thund3rcat :
They are getting more sales because of the Tax credit. Hell, they are strategically pricing with that in mind and plastering it all over their website. But they are getting zero in return, you can't be this obtuse.

Unlike 3/Y where they've built 3 entire new factories and multiple new lines in these factories, the S/X in general are production constrained- they only make them on one line, in one factory- the same one they've used for a decade now.

The S does not qualify for the credit at all-- and again is back to where it was priced about 3 years ago.

So is the X. The BASE X does qualify (no other version does) now-- but again Tesla gets $0.00 of that tax credit on the sale of those.

And those base model X sales represent like 1-2% of all their car sales.

The idea this is all some vast conspiracy to maybe sell a couple more of a thing that' so little of their sales and that they haven't significantly increased production of requires....considerable mental gymnastics in an attempt to ascribe some sinister motive to a company simply pricing the thing the same as they did 3 years ago


Quote from big-t :
Are they passing along the savings of not including a full steering wheel?
The S and X both come with a full steering wheel by default.

The yoke is a paid option if you happen to want that instead.


Quote from fsum242 :
Unless you need to tow, haul, or carry anything.
Here's a Tesla Model X towing a 287,000 pound Boeing 787 Dreamliner Jumbo Jet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQBRyR1JGBo

What larger/heavier thing were you needing to tow exactly?
Last edited by Knightshade September 5, 2023 at 07:30 PM.
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Quote from RWingMaggot :
But the tesla fan boi here wont accept that, their ignorance prevents them from seeing the truth, tesla isnt great and every other cars are better or more efficient.
"every other cars are better"

such articulate thought.. well i guess im convinced

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What a freaking discount.. $0.00

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