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Skytech Gaming - Eclipse Gaming Desktop - Intel Core i9-13900K - 32GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 - 2TB NVMe SSD - White $2999

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Windows 11 Operating System
Windows 11 has all the power and security of Windows 10 with a redesigned and refreshed look. It also comes with new tools, sounds, and apps. Every detail has been considered. All of it comes together to bring you a refreshing experience on your PC.
Intel Core i9-13900K Processor
The insanely powerful gaming and streaming desktop processor, get the competitive edge with the ultimate enthusiast processor for gamers, for creators, for everyone.
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 24GB GDDR6X Graphics Card
Powered by the NVIDIA Ada Lovelace architecture and comes with 24 GB of GDDR6X memory to deliver the ultimate experience for gamers and creators (GPU brand may vary)
32GB memory for intense multitasking and gaming
Reams of high-bandwidth DDR5 RAM to smoothly run your graphics-heavy PC games, video-editing applications, numerous programs and browser tabs at the same time. Lined with stylish RGB lights.
2TB NVMe solid-state drive (SSD)
Ample storage with faster start-up times and data access
Wireless and wired connectivity
You can connect it to a Wireless-AC router for higher speed, more capacity, and wider coverage. The Gigabit Ethernet LAN port plugs into wired 10/100/1000 networks.
Multi display capability
Connect the usual single monitor, or add a second monitor to double your viewing space for work and games. (1x HDMI and 1x DisplayPort guaranteed, additional ports may vary. Monitor sold separately.)
Easily run popular games
Call of Duty Warzone, Fornite, Escape from Tarkov, Grand Theft Auto V, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, Apex Legends, Roblox, Overwatch, CS: Global Offensive, Battlefield V, Minecraft, and more with crisp 1440p QHD resolution and smooth 60+ FPS game play
420mm AIO Liquid Cooler
Lower your PC temperture in a more efficient and quiter way than air.
USB and SuperSpeed USB connections
USB Ports Including 2.0, 3.0, and 3.2 Gen1 Ports offer high-speed connectivity for your devices and accessories
This computer does not include a built-in DVD/CD drive.

Slightly better specced and more expensive than the Alienware and Lenovo deals recently, but from somewhere you can take it back to without hassle if something is wrong out of the box.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/skyt...Id=6537307
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Model: Skytech Gaming - Eclipse Gaming Desktop - Intel Core i9-13900K - 32GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 - 2TB NVMe SSD - White

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10-01-2023 at 06:39 AM.
10-01-2023 at 06:39 AM.
Quote from Gears_and_Beers :
This is the best deal I've seen for a ultra high-end prebuilt that doesn't have Dell and Lenovo proprietary garbage inside. Let the sheep downvote it all they want for being more expensive than those ovens. The 'should be $5' morons will never die either. It's still a good deal.
It actually has worse cooling than the Lenovo and HP 4090 prebuilt with only four fans and three intakes on radiator and one rear exhaust.

The SSD inside is also slower than the Lenovo and HP prebuilt according to Youtuber Justin Tech.

Yes it has a standard motherboard not "proprietary garbage", but it tends to be the lowest-end Msi z690-a pro (in best buy customer picture) or Msi z790-p pro (in YouTuber Justin Tech review). What puzzles me is a better motherboard like Msi z790-a pro cost literally nothing (yes, $0) … but somehow Skytech has to use the ones that are far outdated and inferior with the same retail price. I guess they must buy these shit motherboards at wholesale discount from Msi because nobody wants them in retail market.
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10-01-2023 at 07:18 AM.
10-01-2023 at 07:18 AM.
Quote from echostate :
It actually has worse cooling than the Lenovo and HP 4090 prebuilt with only four fans and three intakes on radiator and one rear exhaust.

The SSD inside is also slower than the Lenovo and HP prebuilt according to Youtuber Justin Tech.

Yes it has a standard motherboard not "proprietary garbage", but it tends to be the lowest-end Msi z690-a pro (in best buy customer picture) or Msi z790-p pro (in YouTuber Justin Tech review). What puzzles me is a better motherboard like Msi z790-a pro cost literally nothing (yes, $0) … but somehow Skytech has to use the ones that are far outdated and inferior with the same retail price. I guess they must buy these shit motherboards at wholesale discount from Msi because nobody wants them in retail market.

You do realize the Lenovo deal posted recently has the exact same cooling setup, with 3 fans on the front, one on the back and none on top, right?

Edit: I was wrong, but I'll leave the comment and take the hate.
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10-01-2023 at 08:42 AM.
10-01-2023 at 08:42 AM.
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Z790 does faster ram and has way more pcie lanes.

If it's a 690, what a dumb move. Its hardly any price difference.

For a balls to the wall build, yesteryears mobo doesn't cut it.
What do you expect? It's not like they're going to use a Maximus Apex or Maximus Hero Z790 board. The target consumer for prebuilts usually wouldn't know. Besides if they did they'd have to add +700 markup. They also wouldn't use a fast RAM kit like 8000 either so the board wouldn't matter. If you cared about such premium parts just DIY one, only way to guarantee you get what you want. These prebuilts always have a cost tradeoff somewhere because a slickdealer wouldn't buy a $4000+ prebuilt. They see 4090 and 13900K… that's ~$2100 base cost.
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10-01-2023 at 12:15 PM.
10-01-2023 at 12:15 PM.
Quote from echostate :
It actually has worse cooling than the Lenovo and HP 4090 prebuilt with only four fans and three intakes on radiator and one rear exhaust.

The SSD inside is also slower than the Lenovo and HP prebuilt according to Youtuber Justin Tech.

Yes it has a standard motherboard not "proprietary garbage", but it tends to be the lowest-end Msi z690-a pro (in best buy customer picture) or Msi z790-p pro (in YouTuber Justin Tech review). What puzzles me is a better motherboard like Msi z790-a pro cost literally nothing (yes, $0) … but somehow Skytech has to use the ones that are far outdated and inferior with the same retail price. I guess they must buy these shit motherboards at wholesale discount from Msi because nobody wants them in retail market.

But you're conveniently skipping over the elephant in the room. Dell and Lenovo use their own GPUs that are terrible. Always bad fans, always bad paste/pads, etc. Fans and SSDs are replaceable. GPUs...not so much due to the cost. If you're buying a 4090, the last thing you want is one that cut corners in production. And you already admitted the MOBO is proprietary, so I don't need to touch on that.

Now remind me how that is better.
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10-01-2023 at 03:10 PM.
10-01-2023 at 03:10 PM.
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But you're conveniently skipping over the elephant in the room. Dell and Lenovo use their own GPUs that are terrible. Always bad fans, always bad paste/pads, etc. Fans and SSDs are replaceable. GPUs...not so much due to the cost. If you're buying a 4090, the last thing you want is one that cut corners in production. And you already admitted the MOBO is proprietary, so I don't need to touch on that.

Now remind me how that is better.
Any references on the proprietary 4090 being terrible in terms of performance or temperature?
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10-01-2023 at 03:13 PM.
10-01-2023 at 03:13 PM.
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Any references on the proprietary 4090 being terrible in terms of performance or temperature?

Reference? I own/owned 8 dell rigs with their GPUs. Six 1660 Supers and two 3060TIs. I also owned two HP 3090s (which were by far the worst of the bunch).
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10-01-2023 at 03:24 PM.
10-01-2023 at 03:24 PM.
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Reference? I own/owned 8 dell rigs with their GPUs. Six 1660 Supers and two 3060TIs. I also owned two HP 3090s (which were by far the worst of the bunch).
Just curious: why do you choose to own so many proprietary builts if you don't recommend them here …

When it comes to personal experiences, we can find people who hates Skytech too. But it probably better to look at reviews and testing.

Gamers Nexus (reviewer with 2M subscribers) has a review on a $5000 Skytech built (the video is titled "pure incompetence"), where Skytech made numerous building mistakes including installing the cpu cooling fans backwards causing it constantly running at melting temperatures… and Skytech's CTO replying to the inquiry email saying something like "what's wrong with the temperature" … lol

Justin tech's YouTube review has compared a large number of 4090 prebuilts. Corsair is the best; lenovo and hp are actually decent. If you care about GPU very much (as it is the most expensive component in a PC), this Skytech actually has one of the highest GPU temperatures in that testing due to the inadequate cooling setup.

I'm not saying proprietary built is better. Of course a good system integrator is better than a proprietary built. But I'm not sure I can put too much faith on this particular one.
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10-01-2023 at 07:11 PM.
10-01-2023 at 07:11 PM.
Quote from echostate :
Just curious: why do you choose to own so many proprietary builts if you don't recommend them here …

When it comes to personal experiences, we can find people who hates Skytech too. But it probably better to look at reviews and testing.

Gamers Nexus (reviewer with 2M subscribers) has a review on a $5000 Skytech built (the video is titled "pure incompetence"), where Skytech made numerous building mistakes including installing the cpu cooling fans backwards causing it constantly running at melting temperatures… and Skytech's CTO replying to the inquiry email saying something like "what's wrong with the temperature" … lol

Justin tech's YouTube review has compared a large number of 4090 prebuilts. Corsair is the best; lenovo and hp are actually decent. If you care about GPU very much (as it is the most expensive component in a PC), this Skytech actually has one of the highest GPU temperatures in that testing due to the inadequate cooling setup.

I'm not saying proprietary built is better. Of course a good system integrator is better than a proprietary built. But I'm not sure I can put too much faith on this particular one.
Why? We all make dumb decisions and learn from them. That's why. I got into mining and at the time it was by far the best way to get into it considering the sky-high GPU prices. I bought 14 rigs within a few month time span. Four Asus ROG Strix G10 3060 rigs, two Dell XPS 8940 3060TI rigs, six Dell XPS 8940 1660 Super rigs, and two Omen 30L 3090 rigs. I can honestly compare the Dell 1660 Super to a retail card. I bought a standalone MSI 1660 Super about 6 months later while I still had the fleet. Night and day difference - the MSI was vastly superior. The worst rigs overall were the XPS rigs. The worst GPU performance belonged to the Omens. They were unacceptably hot even for 3090 standards. I later was able to transplant the GPUs into open rigs (unlimited ventilation and not cramped together) where the temps remained basically unchanged. I even ripped the 3090s open and changed the thermal pads & paste to top-tier stuff. No change. Just poor design on HP's part.

Reviewers are usually paid in one way or another, so that doesn't mean much. Nor does one internet stranger's opinion (me).

I'm not arguing Skytech is good or bad. I have no experience. Put another way, I'm trying to say it can't possibly be worse than Dell or HP, as I've owned both. The XPS line is a dumpster fire, and the OMEN line is as deep in the bottom of the barrel as you can reach without being in a dumpster. Even the Asus G10s were garbage - they had no intake whatsoever.

Put simply: all pre-builts are garbage, you just have to pick the lesser evil at a price that justifies the headaches and swapped parts (including this example). But this one would be an easy and cheap swap to more premium parts. An XPS would cost more than it's worth to make it 'good' in a transplant, even ignoring the proprietary nonsense.

The only correct answer, and I'll die on this hill, is to build yourself using quality components and put function & cooling above all else. I built my first rig with absolutely zero prior experience and a few days of [laughable] practice on the original PC Building Simulator. I didn't even know how to change a fan. A 12700K/3090TI Hybrid/64GB behemoth was the end result (before the 13th gen/4000 series was on the market, so bleeding edge parts), and it went almost textbook perfect.

Anything less than DIY is trading off cost for headaches in varying degrees. I've now built 3 rigs from scratch and have absolutely zero regrets. A drastic difference from the 14 prebuilt rigs where I had absolutely zero compliments. Three rigs are still waiting for a buyer, then I'm rid of them all for good. If I ever consider another pre-built, it would only be for cost savings, but I would have to factor in the parts I would have to change out to make it to my standards (case, fans, SSDs, PSU, etc.). So factoring that in, they are usually never worth it.
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10-01-2023 at 07:29 PM.
10-01-2023 at 07:29 PM.
Quote from echostate :
Just curious: why do you choose to own so many proprietary builts if you don't recommend them here …

When it comes to personal experiences, we can find people who hates Skytech too. But it probably better to look at reviews and testing.

Gamers Nexus (reviewer with 2M subscribers) has a review on a $5000 Skytech built (the video is titled "pure incompetence"), where Skytech made numerous building mistakes including installing the cpu cooling fans backwards causing it constantly running at melting temperatures… and Skytech's CTO replying to the inquiry email saying something like "what's wrong with the temperature" … lol

Justin tech's YouTube review has compared a large number of 4090 prebuilts. Corsair is the best; lenovo and hp are actually decent. If you care about GPU very much (as it is the most expensive component in a PC), this Skytech actually has one of the highest GPU temperatures in that testing due to the inadequate cooling setup.

I'm not saying proprietary built is better. Of course a good system integrator is better than a proprietary built. But I'm not sure I can put too much faith on this particular one.
If you watched the video, you'd actually see that the Lenovo and Skytech are actually about the same GPU temp wise, and the HP is only 4 degrees cooler, which, in my opinion, is within margin of error. You are for some reason championing a crusade against Skytech that I'm not even sure I understand. I mean, hey, in a week when mine is picked up, I might have negative feelings about them as a brand too, but right now? I'm excited to get mine and hope it works well.
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