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Tesla Model Y
Dual Motor
All-Wheel Drive
Range: 330mi
Top Speed: 135 mph
0-60 mph: 4.8 seconds
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$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
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I have literally never made a single claim about owner occupancy.
That's a strawman issue you brought in that nobody else ever mentioned.
But please quote me doing so if you think otherwise.
Remember, if you have the facts on your side pound the facts.
If you have the law on your side pound the law.
And, as in your case, when you have nothing on your side pound the table.
You just made up a bunch of other things I did not say then insisted I was wrong despite never saying them.
Ones you kept responding to by saying "Sure, THOSE ARE ALL TRUE, but what about this other stuff you never said that isn't true?"
If that's all you feel up to at this point, sure. Gotta start somewhere.
Well, no, this too is factually wrong. Or at least incomplete.
120v on a 5-15 plug would do that.
As someone else pointed out:
And as I already pointed out- the average American is home more than that in both cases.
Thus, the thing I actually claimed, that 120v charging at home is sufficient for that average American, is, by your own math correct
Congrats on finally getting around to understanding something I actually said and realizing it was true!
Second time I've had to point that out.
Are you unaware of what a road trip actually is?
In fact, if you live in NYC as you claim, you should be aware it's a PITA to actually go to a gas station routinely. Plugging in in your garage should be MUCH more convenient for you!
Pointing out the folks in those areas who can not charge represent a minority of the US population
I never claimed every American can charge at home.
Just most of them.
because that remains a fact, just like the last 10 times I told you that fact.
It's the opposite of the most beneficial place for an EV
The other cities you mention aren't QUITE as good, but they're still far better than most.
EVs are most beneficial in places where people actually drive a lot, so we can replace ICE miles with EV miles and the owners see more of a fuel savings than people who usually take a train somewhere in the city.
Oh... so suddenly you don't actually HAVE a garage, you only have a spot in a parking lot?
I mean, that DOES explain why you can't install a charger in a thing you don't have- but weird you kept claiming you had a garage until I pointed out how ridiculous your claims about it were and asked if you meant a parking lot... which I guess you did?
Now you share it?
Or is it just a parking space again? You keep changing your story.
You simply mount it higher than the car and it has [/B] no impact at all[/B] on the car needing to be any more forward or backward than it was without the charger.
You can leave it plugged in at home for the amount the average American is home, and drive the amount of miles a day the average american drives, and have no issue at all even on 120v normal wall charging
You added that #, quite dishonestly.
Then keep doubling down by insisting I brought it up. I did not.
Of course. That is the point of the superchargers-- enabling road trips.
But that has nothing to do with home charging.
Even when I had a 240v plug at home I still needed a supercharger on a roadtrip.
Because my home does not fit inside my car to take with me.
How do you not understand that?
I eagerly await your NEXT batch of:
Misquoting what I actually said
Being mad at things I did not say
Personally insulting me for your misunderstandings and misquotes
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You can see 6-7 miles per hour charging here:
https://www.tesla.com/support/cha...le%20mode
I suppose that might be a gen 1 unit, but you can find lots of folks quite recently still citing getting 6 mph THIS year, and they haven't sold Gen 1 connectors in many years
For example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaMod..._cha
That guy is using it on a Y, which didn't exist until well after the Gen2 unit came out...
Multiple more folks confirming Gen2 and 5-20 gets you ~6 mph charge here:
https://teslamotorsclub
And I mean, why wouldn't it?
Gen1 to Gen2 dropped max amps from 40 to 32...(but added other safety features)- 5-20 is only 16 amps, either can easily provide that.
sorry to disappoint. Tesla and most EVs will jack up prices as inflation is kicking back and UAW strike is ON, it will be hard to find the make and models of your desire. Last but not least Since Tesla is focusing on ramping up cybertruck production come Nov - Dec , 3 and Ys availability will be limited at this price range. Good luck .
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I have literally never made a single claim about owner occupancy.
That's a strawman issue you brought in that nobody else ever mentioned.
It seems clear someone does.
Then why do you keep asking me if I said things I very clearly never said?
Given I never claimed they were you again appear to be making up arguments nobody is having, then getting mad about them.
Your inability to make a cogent argument is not improved by your inability to argue at all without repeated, inaccurate, personal attacks.
Except, of course, I did not.
But please quote me doing so if you think otherwise.
Clearly.
Remember, if you have the facts on your side pound the facts.
If you have the law on your side pound the law.
And, as in your case, when you have nothing on your side pound the table.
CORRECT.
You just made up a bunch of other things I did not say then insisted I was wrong despite never saying them.
And I did back up the things I actually said with facts and numbers.
Ones you kept responding to by saying "Sure, THOSE ARE ALL TRUE, but what about this other stuff you never said that isn't true?"
If that's all you feel up to at this point, sure. Gotta start somewhere.
Well, no, this too is factually wrong. Or at least incomplete.
120v on a 5-15 plug would do that.
As someone else pointed out:
There's many homes where they have a 20 amp breaker for the circuit, so you can do as the above poster suggests and charge much more quickly without needing anyone to upgrade the panel or install a 240v receptacle or wiring.
Correct on a 5-15... less than half that on a 5-20 120v plug.
And as I already pointed out- the average American is home more than that in both cases.
Thus, the thing I actually claimed, that 120v charging at home is sufficient for that average American, is, by your own math correct
Congrats on finally getting around to understanding something I actually said and realizing it was true!
On a roadtrip you are not at home so your home charging speed is irrelevant.
Second time I've had to point that out.
Are you unaware of what a road trip actually is?
Well yes.
In fact, if you live in NYC as you claim, you should be aware it's a PITA to actually go to a gas station routinely. Plugging in in your garage should be MUCH more convenient for you!
Not only I not gloss over it- I directly replied to it in the very post you are responding to right now.
Pointing out the folks in those areas who can not charge represent a minority of the US population
I never claimed every American can charge at home.
Just most of them.
because that remains a fact, just like the last 10 times I told you that fact.
NYC has arguably the best public transit in the US. Most people don't own a car of any kind
It's the opposite of the most beneficial place for an EV
The other cities you mention aren't QUITE as good, but they're still far better than most.
EVs are most beneficial in places where people actually drive a lot, so we can replace ICE miles with EV miles and the owners see more of a fuel savings than people who usually take a train somewhere in the city.
Oh... so suddenly you don't actually HAVE a garage, you only have a spot in a parking lot?
I mean, that DOES explain why you can't install a charger in a thing you don't have- but weird you kept claiming you had a garage until I pointed out how ridiculous your claims about it were and asked if you meant a parking lot... which I guess you did?
Look, someone in a Tesla thread who doesn't know how easily you can park the car without needing to be able to open the door once it's parked
I thought YOU had a garage.
Now you share it?
Or is it just a parking space again? You keep changing your story.
Why would it mean that?
You simply mount it higher than the car and it has [/B] no impact at all[/B] on the car needing to be any more forward or backward than it was without the charger.
The concept that you don't actually have a real garage and don't understand you can park a Tesla in a much tighter spot than a conventional car?
Not "A' strawman, but several.
Except that remains factually untrue.
You can leave it plugged in at home for the amount the average American is home, and drive the amount of miles a day the average american drives, and have no issue at all even on 120v normal wall charging
I 100% did not.
You added that #, quite dishonestly.
Then keep doubling down by insisting I brought it up. I did not.
For a road trip?
Of course. That is the point of the superchargers-- enabling road trips.
But that has nothing to do with home charging.
Even when I had a 240v plug at home I still needed a supercharger on a roadtrip.
Because my home does not fit inside my car to take with me.
How do you not understand that?
I eagerly await your NEXT batch of:
Misquoting what I actually said
Being mad at things I did not say
Personally insulting me for your misunderstandings and misquotes
You have to explain something to me? Go ahead, pretend I'm silly. Explain to me how a single-family detached rate as a percentage of housing supply is the same as home ownership rate. Let's play a game. Let's say a country of only 2 people that live in a 2 story condo. What's single-family detached house rate? I'm getting my pen and notepad. This should be good.
Quote you? Gladly.
You: "Which means charging overnight (most folks are home more than 8 hours a day) gives you back about as much range as the average American drives in a day."
Me: "Oh and by the way, at least according to the Federal Highway Association, charging 8 hours (24 miles) overnight WOULDN'T give you as much as an American drives a day, which is 37 miles, so you're pretty much wrong there as well."
Uh actually, you're wrong. It is beneficial to travel by train WITHIN New York City. It is NOT beneficial to travel TO AND FROM New York City. Anybody who says so clearly has never taken the PATH, LIRR, MetroNorth/East/etc. What you're describing is a subset of more ore less sendentary people who don't travel. who don't go to cottage. who don't have kids with activities they will need to get to, which describe, gasp, MOST AMERICANS. And yet you're here giving the "it's better for the vast majority" BS.
I know this might be a foreign concept to you. An underground parking garage in a co-op, or a parking garage has that thing called a PARKING SPOT.
Let's me ask you a question. How wide does the door open on a Tesla. So you parked a Tesla, great. I guess you're just sitting there without getting out? Very possible since you don't seem to comprehend you need to give the door clearance. So let me ask you a follow up question then, can the parking spot be the EXACT SAME SIZE as your car, as you previously claimed? Go ahead. I'll wait.
I have a garage, it's a shared garage, it has parking spots, it even has walls and everything. But let's suppose I have a parking spot, does that in your brilliant mind negates the need for clearance? Hilarious.
Other than being a pedantic tool who can't grasp the simple concept that a garage has that thing called parking spots, I'm wondering what arguments have you actually brought to the discussion. I'm strongly considering the possibility that you were dropped on your head as a kid, but I feel that's an insult who were dropped on their head as kids.
The average American drive 37 miles a day. Your 120V charges at 3. Your 8 hours DOES NOT satisfy the typical American. Nor does 10, nor does 12. It takes 12 hours and 20 minutes, more than half a day, IF they don't forget to plug it in. IF they don't go out. IF they don't take road trips. IF they don't go home and grab something to eat and the out the door for something else and of course don't forget to charge when they come back. IF they don't visit and stay with friends and family. Yeah, that sure sounds like a "typical" American.
My dishonesty? I quoted you. Look above.
Let's summarize our nonsense. You claimed that a Tesla is convenient/beneficial/economical for the vast majority of Americans. To that end you even gave the 8 hours is enough nonsense. But guess what, using a supercharger at the rates they charge (even ignoring the parking rates in NYC at supercharger destinations which I noticed dropped from your list of rants) EATS AWAY ALL ECONOMIC BENEFIT, due to the cost of Tesla relative to ICE vehicles. Furthermore, due to the LACK of superchargers relative to gas stations or the fact that they charge slower, that EATS AWAY all CONVENIENCE BENEFITS TOO.
The only thing that make sense, whether daily commute or long distance travel is if your can reliably FAST CHARGE at home, to a threshold that drive you MOST OF THE WAY to where you want to go and then charge at destination. For that you need a home that YOU OWN but also is a SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED. What a concept?
Like I said, the brick wall got it. Have it explain to you.
However, the car is so much bette than the garbage BMW x4 because everything is automated. The shitty BMW still need the stupid key for unlock and lock.
I have literally never made a single claim about owner occupancy.
That's a strawman issue you brought in that nobody else ever mentioned.
It seems clear someone does.
Then why do you keep asking me if I said things I very clearly never said?
Given I never claimed they were you again appear to be making up arguments nobody is having, then getting mad about them.
Your inability to make a cogent argument is not improved by your inability to argue at all without repeated, inaccurate, personal attacks.
Except, of course, I did not.
But please quote me doing so if you think otherwise.
Clearly.
Remember, if you have the facts on your side pound the facts.
If you have the law on your side pound the law.
And, as in your case, when you have nothing on your side pound the table.
CORRECT.
You just made up a bunch of other things I did not say then insisted I was wrong despite never saying them.
And I did back up the things I actually said with facts and numbers.
Ones you kept responding to by saying "Sure, THOSE ARE ALL TRUE, but what about this other stuff you never said that isn't true?"
If that's all you feel up to at this point, sure. Gotta start somewhere.
Well, no, this too is factually wrong. Or at least incomplete.
120v on a 5-15 plug would do that.
As someone else pointed out:
There's many homes where they have a 20 amp breaker for the circuit, so you can do as the above poster suggests and charge much more quickly without needing anyone to upgrade the panel or install a 240v receptacle or wiring.
Correct on a 5-15... less than half that on a 5-20 120v plug.
And as I already pointed out- the average American is home more than that in both cases.
Thus, the thing I actually claimed, that 120v charging at home is sufficient for that average American, is, by your own math correct
Congrats on finally getting around to understanding something I actually said and realizing it was true!
On a roadtrip you are not at home so your home charging speed is irrelevant.
Second time I've had to point that out.
Are you unaware of what a road trip actually is?
Well yes.
In fact, if you live in NYC as you claim, you should be aware it's a PITA to actually go to a gas station routinely. Plugging in in your garage should be MUCH more convenient for you!
Not only I not gloss over it- I directly replied to it in the very post you are responding to right now.
Pointing out the folks in those areas who can not charge represent a minority of the US population
I never claimed every American can charge at home.
Just most of them.
because that remains a fact, just like the last 10 times I told you that fact.
NYC has arguably the best public transit in the US. Most people don't own a car of any kind
It's the opposite of the most beneficial place for an EV
The other cities you mention aren't QUITE as good, but they're still far better than most.
EVs are most beneficial in places where people actually drive a lot, so we can replace ICE miles with EV miles and the owners see more of a fuel savings than people who usually take a train somewhere in the city.
Oh... so suddenly you don't actually HAVE a garage, you only have a spot in a parking lot?
I mean, that DOES explain why you can't install a charger in a thing you don't have- but weird you kept claiming you had a garage until I pointed out how ridiculous your claims about it were and asked if you meant a parking lot... which I guess you did?
Look, someone in a Tesla thread who doesn't know how easily you can park the car without needing to be able to open the door once it's parked
I thought YOU had a garage.
Now you share it?
Or is it just a parking space again? You keep changing your story.
Why would it mean that?
You simply mount it higher than the car and it has [/B] no impact at all[/B] on the car needing to be any more forward or backward than it was without the charger.
The concept that you don't actually have a real garage and don't understand you can park a Tesla in a much tighter spot than a conventional car?
Not "A' strawman, but several.
Except that remains factually untrue.
You can leave it plugged in at home for the amount the average American is home, and drive the amount of miles a day the average american drives, and have no issue at all even on 120v normal wall charging
I 100% did not.
You added that #, quite dishonestly.
Then keep doubling down by insisting I brought it up. I did not.
For a road trip?
Of course. That is the point of the superchargers-- enabling road trips.
But that has nothing to do with home charging.
Even when I had a 240v plug at home I still needed a supercharger on a roadtrip.
Because my home does not fit inside my car to take with me.
How do you not understand that?
I eagerly await your NEXT batch of:
Misquoting what I actually said
Being mad at things I did not say
Personally insulting me for your misunderstandings and misquotes
https://www.tesla.com/support/cha...le%20model [tesla.com].
I suppose that might be a gen 1 unit, but you can find lots of folks quite recently still citing getting 6 mph THIS year, and they haven't sold Gen 1 connectors in many years
For example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaMod..._charging/ [reddit.com]
That guy is using it on a Y, which didn't exist until well after the Gen2 unit came out...
Multiple more folks confirming Gen2 and 5-20 gets you ~6 mph charge here:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/t...ed.231150/ [teslamotorsclub.com]
And I mean, why wouldn't it?
Gen1 to Gen2 dropped max amps from 40 to 32...(but added other safety features)- 5-20 is only 16 amps, either can easily provide that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLou...my_m
And if you forget to plug in, charging at a super charger will cost about 1/4 as much as gasoline:
https://www.leafscore.c
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLou...my_mobile/ [reddit.com]
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