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Tesla Model Y
Dual Motor
All-Wheel Drive
Range: 330mi
Top Speed: 135 mph
0-60 mph: 4.8 seconds
Qualify for $7500 Federal Tax Credit with below income cap:
Adjusted Gross Income Limitations
$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers
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I know this is a big talking point for Tesla owners, but as the owner of a 2019 Grand Sport I can tell you it is not really a 0-60 car. This car is built to run on a track. ALL DAY.
So I would love to see you beat my C7 on a track. Your brakes would probably melt before you had to recharge the first time.
0-60 is insignificant really. Suspension and braking are just as important as speed. What good is speed if you can't get around a corner at speed, or you can't stop the car from that speed repeatedly.
For a new 2023 Toyota Tundra the average cost of full-coverage car insurance is $185
For a new 2023 Tesla Model Y the average cost of full-coverage car insurance is $289
This is factoring in a married 35 year old male with good credit. Sure this will vary but Tesla insurance is common knowledge way higher due to the fact any minor accident can lead to a totaled vehicle much easier with a Tesla.
I've also seen several people complaining on Youtube about the tires so definitely not a one off scenario.
But that's besides the point. Your claim was 120V 3 miles per hour is good enough for the "vast majority" of Americans when they drive on average 37 miles a day. You're staying that the vast majority of Americans are reliably home 12 hours and 20 minutes a day, that they never forget to charge, that they don't have variation in their driving, that they don't visit others where they can't plug in. You really should look into what the words "vast majority" actually mean.
The biggest flaw in the argument the 120 V is enough for the average user is that they are using the "range" that is added to the Guess O Meter on the dash actually equals real world miles that can be driven.
Maybe in city stop and go in ambient temps of 70 degrees you might get close, but if you go over 55 MPH or, god forbid you want to use HVAC, you are not getting 37 miles of drive able range overnight with a level 1 charger.
Anyone who believes they can use 120V outlet to regularly charge their car enough for daily use is in for a rude awakening.
Not sure why you say that when in fact it'll fit BETTER in the typical garage than lots of existing trucks.
https://www.theverge.co
There's superchargers every 30-50 miles along almost every major highway in the country and a 10-15 minute stop will put 150-180 miles back on the vehicle... meaning you can go 500+ miles in a day trivially with one or two short stops same as you would in a gas car for fuel/bathrooms/drinks/food.
Why would you have range anxiety?
Dont get me wrong the tesla is a great car if you like finding or waiting to charge and stopping 5 times for a 850m trip and spending 30m figuring out what to do.
4 10 minute stops, rather than your proposed 5 stops at 30 minutes each, would get you there just fine for example and shave nearly 2 hours off the trip.
That's one stop roughly every 3-4 hours on average-- which seems pretty reasonable for bathroom/drink/snack breaks on a trip doing 850 miles in a day.... (if you're doing that over 2-3 days of course you just find a hotel or airbnb with charging and you will need to stop even less when driving)
Correct-- that's because the bigger the wheel diameter the smaller the sidewall of the tire (so you end up with the same total diameter)-- meaning the wheel is more easily damaged by potholes since there's less tire to protect it.
Plus the bigger wheel is heavier and more expensive to replace if you DO damage it... plus the ride is rougher with the lower sidewall.
SMALLER wheels are the way to go to avoid all this....it's why I'm not a fan of the fact they stopped offering the Performance Model 3 with 18" wheels and force you to get it with 20s.
I stick to actual facts, provide sources for them, and don't fill half my posts with personal attacks and the other half making up stuff the other guy never said.
You do the opposite.
Simple enough.
For example:
I've posted numerous sources proving exactly that.
You ignore them then make up things I never said and insist I never proved THOSE.
Yes, I keep not rebutting your posts about arguments and claims I never made in the first place.
Weird huh?
Cool for bringing up yet another argument I never said a single thing about in our discussion.
The Tesla in this thread is cheaper than the average new car in the US-- especially with the tax credit figured in it's a LOT cheaper.
So again your basic facts are fundamentally wrong even when it's about a topic I never even brought up.
I cited the average miles driven, and the average hours they are at home.
And pointing out the majority can easily charge even on a 120v socket.
Because they can. Which I proved. With sourced facts.
Which part of that confused you again?
See, PERFECT example here.
I never said "all americans"
In fact I very very clearly did NOT say that.
Unable to argue what I actually said you make up nonsense I did not say
Yes, because you were unaware of a common feature the car has offered since 2016 that solved the "tight parking spot" issue.
Despite having been told it exists 3 times- you couldn't be bothered to even check, and clearly had never researched the car at all to have needed to be told about it repeatedly.
Ah, right-- you've replied like 20 times with increasingly ridiculous strawmen because you don't care.
I should've known- because it would've made your sentence accurate, and that's not a thing you do
I literally posted a source in the post you are replying to.
This is the 4th or 5th time you've DEMANDED a source for a claim in reply to... the post that contained the source.
Once again pointing out you don't actually read or understand what you're replying to.
I literally did.
In the post you are replying to here.
Great, I eagerly await you doing it on the ton of OTHER things you were wrong about!
Then why did you JUST ask me, multiple times, to provide it if you were aware I already had? And why call the claim BS if you claim you had already seen it and knew I was correct?
I guess you did NOT understand what "waking" hours means.
Shame.
It means they are at home 50% of the hours they are awake
You get to add to the 8 hours you are asleep where they are ALSO home to that to get total hours at home in a day.
See, awake and asleep are different things
Anyway- add them up (let me know if you need help) and you've got more than the 12.3 hours needed on a 5-15 120v plug.
And WAY more than the ~6 hours needed on a 5-20 120v plug.
You know- like I told you from the start
Yes, and then invented things not in those quotes to argue about.
it was hilarious- you LITERALLY showed you were making up things I didn't say then made more of them up right below them.
I specifically called out the extra words NOT in my quotes. Including higher up in THIS post where you moved the goalposts to "all Americans' despite my never saying that
Actually, no, uh, you haven't proven jack. You pulled out the number of single-family homes in America when I outright told you that you need both a single-family home as well as ownership in said home for the numerous reason I've listed, none of which you addressed.
Hilarious. I don't think you know how an argument works. You present your arguments, I present mine. You and I then both retort. I DON'T need to keep the topic to your arguments, which are nonsensical and logically inconsistent. You've addressed, again, ZERO of the numerous various legitimate points I've made, including data accordingly so I needn't take your point serious. Bottom line, again, you've made the assertion a Tesla is superior because blah blah whilst pretending you don't have to acknowledge the limitations. So thank for playing. You lose.
Correct, you never brought up the fact that the typical American lease or finance their car, ergo that has to be in the consideration. So thereby you acknowledge that your "vast majority" does not include typical American behavior? Which is it? Do you need to consider typical American car shopper behavior or not? Talk out of the both side of your mouth much?
Tesla is cheaper than most cars? Is a Tesla Model 3 cheaper than a similar sized or similar use ICE. Is a Model Y cheaper than a similar size ICE crossover/SUV. Model X, Model S, Cybertruck? Which Tesla is cheaper than their ICE competitors? Perhaps you meant a Tesla over the course of a LONG ownership would come out on top due to gas savings, but you did nothing to prove that argument. Furthermore, to keep harping on this, no, the typical American DOESN'T drive the car to death so they'll never recuperate.
I never said you said all Americans. I said, AND YOU DID, say "vast majority" of Americans. I gave you the exact timestamp (which I now realize is still probably on CA timezone) of when you said it. I quoted you your exact words. I even double-quotationed your words of "vast majority." Now kindly highlight where I said you claimed "all Americans."
I forgot about self-park, which I acknowledged. You on the other hand, are a clown who are now lying straight in the face of your EXACT QUOTES all the while telling me what I did or didn't do yesterday. But to put your mind to ease, here's the email I received from Tesla yesterday after my test drive:
Hi ...
It was so nice to see you Today. Happy to hear that you are loving the Model Y and are still just debating on when to get your order in.
I am here as a resource for you if you need any additional information I am just an email away.
Best Regards,
Samantha ...
Operations Advisor
I of course don't need to prove that to you, but since you insist on playing around the edges of such nonsense instead of the actual debate, let me get that out of the way and respond to the rest of your clown arguments.
Guess what, I found MULTIPLE mis-spellings, grammar errors, logical incongruencies in your laughable post I could have brought up. But I chose not to. It's distracting to the debate (which I'm calling loosely when it comes to you). The reason you're bringing up such trivial matters is because you've got nothing else to bring to the table.
We'll start with something that even you might understand. I have a source which BLS data cited by NYT. You have a source which is American Time Use Survey cited by Nathan Yau. My source is FAR MORE AUTHORITATIVE THAN YOURS. On my source I can download the Excel, JSON and play around with it in Python if I can. Yours there's not. My source shows the methodology, sample size, data selection criteria, error, etc. Yours don't. As a matter of fact yours don't even show the data. Now, my source which is more authoritative, I can play with AND shows the methodology shows a different, lower number than yours. I'm not saying your source is wrong, perhaps just interpreted differently. But with my data I can tell whether I can agree with the methodology. Your data I can't. The data is not there the methodology is not there. So the fact that you think you've proven anything is quite comical.
Your waking hours rant is also quite comical. Tell me that you know jack about data analysis without telling me you know jack about data analysis. Because if you actually looked at the BLS dataset (which again, I can play around with), if you actually added up the hours worked, plus commuting, plus sports/leisure, plus socializing, plus time spent take care of family or eating. It actually gasp, ADDES UP TO MORE THAN 24 HOURS. Now try to apply your two brain cells and tell me why. Give up? It's because the average American DON'T engage in all those activities. For example, a good American households are actually single earner for which the housewife DOESN'T need to drive or drive lightly (until kids anyways). The single earner do. But who drive the car? Gasp again, the SINGLE EARNER. He's the one going to the office, parking and all that good stuff. But that's something you might know, had you, oh I don't know, actually examined typical American driving habits. What a concept.
Cite me WHERE in any of my posts I claimed you used "all Americans." Go ahead, I'll wait. Each and everyone I used your words of "vast majority." And I'm even giving you a pass here by assuming you meant 51%, which definitely isn't "vast majority."
And please, spare me the I'm attacking you personally nonsense. You've done more than your share and likely started it. The only difference is I can both dish and take.
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Passed that information on to coworker who has had multiple blown 19" tires now only 6 months in. Hopefully it was correct information.
Passed that information on to coworker who has had multiple blown 19" tires now only 6 months in. Hopefully it was correct information.
Maybe the 19" is an issue with the specific brand and model of tire?
I for one believe gas prices will be 1.89 again within 2 to 3 years and is only matter of time a republican gets into office. tesla credits will be removed from law. ethanol and oil production will always be a options for at least another 10 to 15 years until we can reliably able to mine the battery materials effiently . 300m range is just too little for most consumers living in America unless you like staying close to home.
we have more natural gas and oil under our feet than Saudi Arabia. there will never be a tank that is made in my lifetime that will be full electric during a war time use.
so get your electric credits now and hope you can deal with range anxiety in the future. its become next to impossible to publicly charge a tesla in California. car makers like Ford and others are on strike for the very reason they are spending billions to keep up with tesla and auto workers are not getting paid. so not only are you hurting the economy buying a tesla you are ruining the auto workers life . don't get me wrong if you like to drive locally a tesla is a great car to have but don't plan on keeping it after the warranty expires. you almost will need an emergency fund when the cars warranty expires
I know this is a big talking point for Tesla owners, but as the owner of a 2019 Grand Sport I can tell you it is not really a 0-60 car. This car is built to run on a track. ALL DAY.
So I would love to see you beat my C7 on a track. Your brakes would probably melt before you had to recharge the first time.
0-60 is insignificant really. Suspension and braking are just as important as speed. What good is speed if you can't get around a corner at speed, or you can't stop the car from that speed repeatedly.
Um, I'm gonna have to ask for proof of that one. I mean the number of Teslas with 500,000 has to be minuscule let alone one with original pads LOL.
Also, it is recommended to service the caliper pins at the very least every 2 years, more if you are in an environment that salts the roads. I would hate to see you actually try to use the brakes and the calipers are seized
You then made up a bunch of stuff I DID not claim and argued about it.
As explained to you repeatedly now- including citing your exact words where you claimed I said things I never did.
You need only scroll back to my last reply where I quote you making up the "all americans" claim when I never said that as but one example.
Here, below we have [B]another[/B example of you making up a thing I never said because it shares a couple of words with a thing I DID say- -then pretending I said the thing you made up:
Here's the thing I actually said
See how what you CLAIMED I said is very different from my actual words.
That's been basically every post you've made about this--Ignoring my actual words and then just making up things I didn't say and pretending I did and insisting your imaginary things are wrong.
Here it is again:
Dude- you're really bad at this.
The NYT source is.... the American Time Use Survey.
Same as Nathan Yau.
BOTH are using the same source from BLS
And both said the same conclusion I did regarding hours spent at home-- combine waking and sleeping and it's more than enough time to charge back the average miles driven on even the slowest 120v plug in a normal home.
here's the direct link to BLS where you can see that's the name of it.
https://www.bls.gov/tus/
Again you embarrass yourself.
The guy in the link I posted did exactly what you describe with the numbers. As he explains in the story. That you obviously didn't bother to read.
Again you embarrass yourself.
And the last post.
Because that's what you did.
But you don't.
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Maybe in city stop and go in ambient temps of 70 degrees you might get close, but if you go over 55 MPH or, god forbid you want to use HVAC, you are not getting 37 miles of drive able range overnight with a level 1 charger.
Anyone who believes they can use 120V outlet to regularly charge their car enough for daily use is in for a rude awakening.
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