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100' AmazonBasics 16-Gauge Speaker Wire Cable

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Woot! has 100' AmazonBasics 16-Gauge Speaker Wire Cable on sale for $4.99. Shipping is free w/ Amazon Prime or is otherwise a flat $6 per order.

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  • Plastic jacket helps ensure high-quality undistorted signals to and from audio equipment
  • Black line on one side of wire indicates the polarity for a proper audio system set up
  • Comes wrapped around a hard plastic spool for simple dispensing

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Woot! has 100' AmazonBasics 16-Gauge Speaker Wire Cable on sale for $4.99. Shipping is free w/ Amazon Prime or is otherwise a flat $6 per order.

Thanks to Community Member ViperGuy for finding this deal.

Product Details:
  • Plastic jacket helps ensure high-quality undistorted signals to and from audio equipment
  • Black line on one side of wire indicates the polarity for a proper audio system set up
  • Comes wrapped around a hard plastic spool for simple dispensing

Editor's Notes

Written by citan359 | Staff
  • About this deal:
    • Our research indicates that this deal is $10.2 less (67% savings) than the next best available price from a reputable merchant with prices starting from $15.19 at the time of this posting.
  • About this product:
    • 1 Year Amazon Basics Limited Warranty
    • 4.7 out of 5 stars rating at Amazon based on over 68,900 customer reviews
  • About this store:
  • Additional Note:
    • Please refer to the Forum Thread for additional discussion regarding this deal.

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insertfootmouth
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I believe this is the Amazon link.

Amazon Basics 16-Gauge Speaker Wire Cable, 100 Feet, Bronze https://a.co/d/gmd3jhk

According to multiple entries in questions and answers, this is copper clad aluminum.

Not surprising given the price point. But it's disappointing that it's not clearly stated in the product description.
Guy767
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Seems like a decent deal as it's currently selling on Amazon for $15. [amazon.com] I'm in for 2; thanks OP.

16 gauge is fine for runs less than 50 feet I believe; anything longer you want 12 gauge. Also I prefer/recommend to use banana plugs [monoprice.com] when connecting the speaker wire. A little trick I do to ensure a good connection is to spray the banana plugs with Deoxit.

Edit

Not sure why my post was edited by the staff for "A3P link". Is linking Deoxit at Amazon forbidden fruit here? Perhaps it's a secret safe word in frugal sex dungeons? Seems a bit overzealous/ridiculous if it wasn't a mistaken auto edit by the forum system IMO...

Edit part deux

Seems like this wire is CCA [reddit.com](Copper Clad Aluminum). There's lots of cons of CCA wire that you can read about here [gearit.com]. Basically CCA is poor quality wire that should be avoided for long runs/lengths but 16 gauge CCA wire should be fine for short distances under 15 feet.
Guy767
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I forgot about CCA shenanigans; canceled my orders. Seems like the reviews at Amazon [amazon.com] confirm CCA as well. Thanks for the heads-up and info; it's appreciated.

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Nov 27, 2023 09:14 PM
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lpranalNov 27, 2023 09:14 PM
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Quote from leprechaun17 :
I would recommend 14gauge OFC.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0848T4...ct_details [amazon.com]
can get actual CL2 for cheaper at the moment. Might not be quite as 'premium' but you'd be hard pressed to find any detectable difference except on the absolute highest end equipment
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=2820

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Quote from SharpThread593 :
is copper cladded aluminum that bad of a material for speaker wires? does using pure copper cables affect audio quality?
In addition to the answers you already received, IMO CCA is terrible for installing surround/back speakers due to the length of cable that's needed. Generally if using CCA you need to up the gauge when making length calculations (IE 16 CCA is really equivalent to 18 gauge wire) due to its poor quality and conductivity.

The primary reason why I canceled my orders once I realized the speaker wire was CCA is because I want something that's reliable and will endure. I don't want to go through the trouble of terminating the wire with banana plugs and installing/concealing the cables only to have my efforts wasted in a few years. Quality copper speaker cable will last you decades and can be forgotten about once installed; the same can't be said about CCA.

If you hear humming, static or pops coming from your rear/surround speakers then there's a good chance that it is being caused by low quality CCA wire. I'm pretty sure my top surrounds have CCA as I experience/hear a very quiet hum/static when volume is set to medium on my audio receiver for example.

Thanks to insertfootmouth's post I've been enlightened about CCA shenanigans and if you are going to thank anyone on this thread it should be him for sharing his insight and saving us money. I was like "Duh, good price on speaker cable; me buy."

Overall, I don't recommend buying CCA and it's worth the effort/expense of buying solid copper; it last longer and has better performance (That's what she said). CCA is especially bad with Ethernet cables [truecable.com] I've recently learned as well.
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Nov 27, 2023 11:10 PM
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arkaayaNov 27, 2023 11:10 PM
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Cheap wire, handy to have - even if it is CCA.
Got one, thanks OP.
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Nov 27, 2023 11:18 PM
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kaze0Nov 27, 2023 11:18 PM
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Host bought my tesla. My electrician was charging me like 1 grand to run 100 ft of wire. I just picked up 3 spools of this. Easy peasey
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Nov 28, 2023 01:25 AM
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Nov 28, 2023 01:25 AM
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Quote from kaze0 :
Host bought my tesla. My electrician was charging me like 1 grand to run 100 ft of wire. I just picked up 3 spools of this. Easy peasey
I'm not following you under that bridge Mr. Troll Mcgee [youtube.com] laugh out loud
Nov 28, 2023 01:38 AM
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monkeybizNov 28, 2023 01:38 AM
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good for more separation on my amazon basic book shelfs, Handy thing to have around, saved me buying more speakers
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Nov 28, 2023 03:39 AM
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Ride_The_SkyNov 28, 2023 03:39 AM
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Quote from jazyje :
Sepnd a few bucks more for non-CCA. Worth it.
Is there any experiments or comparison tests that shows the difference or is it like v6 vs v8 when all you do is mall crawling?
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Nov 28, 2023 03:40 AM
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Ride_The_SkyNov 28, 2023 03:40 AM
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Quote from sd_ca :
Ordered and canceled ASAP once I realized it is CCA. Thanks for those comments above.
I have been using these with my home theater, no problems so far, it's been at least 6 years.
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Nov 28, 2023 02:21 PM
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zbaNov 28, 2023 02:21 PM
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Quote from Ride_The_Sky :
I have been using these with my home theater, no problems so far, it's been at least 6 years.
It could be pure copper 6 y ago. Now people have problems with oxidation and poor connection
Nov 28, 2023 02:44 PM
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Ride_The_SkyNov 28, 2023 02:44 PM
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Quote from zba :
It could be pure copper 6 y ago. Now people have problems with oxidation and poor connection
I should check if my connectors have oxidation, I thought people said problem was sound quality. I'll report back.
Nov 28, 2023 03:39 PM
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EarthwormjimNov 28, 2023 03:39 PM
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Aluminum wire is not worth dealing with, at any price. I wouldn't use this even if it was free.

Quite disappointing, this would otherwise have made great scrap wire for random projects.


Thank you for the comments pointing out this is aluminum wire (copper-clad-aluminum, CCA).
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Nov 28, 2023 03:50 PM
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EarthwormjimNov 28, 2023 03:50 PM
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Quote from SharpThread593 :
is copper cladded aluminum that bad of a material for speaker wires? does using pure copper cables affect audio quality?
If you've got a solid connection, and you're not exceeding the recommended ampacity for this gauge and wire length, you're not going to hear any sound quality differences, at least at first.


But a few years down the line, you might, when this starts oxidizing, or wiggles free of your terminations, or the wire cracks somewhere since aluminum has a super low fatigue life.


It's just not worth wasting any time on this crappy wire. Full copper wire in 18 awg (roughly equivalent to this CCA wire in 16awg) is cheap enough already. You're saving maybe $10 here, for what? To increase the risk of problems down the road?


If you want to get ultra cheap, but still maintain quality, you could always use ethernet cable. You'll get nice, high quality twisted wiring that's shielded for dirt cheap. Using all 4 pairs in a Cat6 24AWG stranded cable is equivalent to an 18AWG pair, 4 pairs in a 23AWG Cat 6 cable is equivalent to a 17AWG pair, and 4 pairs in a 22AWG Cat 6 cable is equivalent to a 16AWG pair. Car stereo guys do this if they don't want to spend a fortune on true shielded speaker cable.
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Nov 28, 2023 06:50 PM
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wysiwyg1652Nov 28, 2023 06:50 PM
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Quote from Earthwormjim :
If you've got a solid connection, and you're not exceeding the recommended ampacity for this gauge and wire length, you're not going to hear any sound quality differences, at least at first.


But a few years down the line, you might, when this starts oxidizing, or wiggles free of your terminations, or the wire cracks somewhere since aluminum has a super low fatigue life.


It's just not worth wasting any time on this crappy wire. Full copper wire in 18 awg (roughly equivalent to this CCA wire in 16awg) is cheap enough already. You're saving maybe $10 here, for what? To increase the risk of problems down the road?


If you want to get ultra cheap, but still maintain quality, you could always use ethernet cable. You'll get nice, high quality twisted wiring that's shielded for dirt cheap. Using all 4 pairs in a Cat6 24AWG stranded cable is equivalent to an 18AWG pair, 4 pairs in a 23AWG Cat 6 cable is equivalent to a 17AWG pair, and 4 pairs in a 22AWG Cat 6 cable is equivalent to a 16AWG pair. Car stereo guys do this if they don't want to spend a fortune on true shielded speaker cable.
Interesting perspective on using Ethernet cables! Ethernet cables are designed for low current, low voltage digital communications and are usually more expensive per foot than speaker wire. My speaker manufacturer (Revel) recommends 12 AWG OFC (copper) speaker wire for this high current, analog use case. Is there any forum that you recommend for using Ethernet wire as speaker wire?
Nov 28, 2023 08:23 PM
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EarthwormjimNov 28, 2023 08:23 PM
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Quote from wysiwyg1652 :
Interesting perspective on using Ethernet cables! Ethernet cables are designed for low current, low voltage digital communications and are usually more expensive per foot than speaker wire. My speaker manufacturer (Revel) recommends 12 AWG OFC (copper) speaker wire for this high current, analog use case. Is there any forum that you recommend for using Ethernet wire as speaker wire?

Fundamentally, from a current carrying perspective, wire is wire, cables are cables. Cat6 cables are supposed to be 24AWG minimum, and can be had down to 22AWG. 24AWG is roughly 400 circular mils, so using 4 wires, gives you roughly 1600 circular mils. Same as 18AWG. Thus four 24AWG wires, can carry the same current as a single 18AWG wire, assuming the same insulators are being used.



The Ethernet cable idea has mostly been a car audio thing in my experience. I first heard about it on the BMW forums I used to frequent (r3vlimited and bimmerforums). This is because BMW for decades had truly awful audio wiring and systems, that were very noise prone.


Cars are extremely noisy environments with regards to electromagnetic interference. You have no separation of grounds between sensitive and noisy devices, and you have coil packs creating thousand volt arcs, with insanely high dV/dt. So shielded, twisted pair speaker wire is preferred in cars, but wire which is adequately shielded, is actually quite expensive, and sometimes hard to find. What qualifies as "shielded" in the speaker wire realm is also not really defined by a known standard. So knowing what you are getting is a challenge, unless you are willing to pay for it.



Cat6 cable by contrast, has exacting and well defined standards, which specify the shielding design, and number of twists in each pair. It's usually really high quality cable because of this. So you benefit from getting twisted wiring for noise rejection, benefit from the economies of scale bringing the price down, and more than adequate shielding.


If your speaker manufacturer is recommending 12 gauge, then you've got pretty powerful speakers, or extremely low impedance speakers, and Ethernet cable would definitely not be suitable.


Cat6 Ethernet cable would be good for say a 50W or below speaker with 8 ohm or above impedance, higher impedance, the better. I wouldn't exceed 2A in total across all 4 pairs if using 24AWG cable, and 3A in total if using 23AWG cable, and 4A in total if using 22AWG cable.

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F54DealsNov 29, 2023 04:35 AM
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I've purchased this speaker wire a couple of times in the past with no issues. I picked up some future projects at this price.

https://electronics.woot.com/offe...e-100-feet

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