Acer Predator PO5-640 Desktop (Refurb): i7-12700, RTX 3070, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD

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How tf can I learn GPU models? Why is a 3xxx better than a 4xxx?

There's three general rules of thumb that should help here:

Within a single series (like the 4xxx series), higher numbers should always be better than lower numbers (i.e., 4090 should be better than 4080, 4080 than 4070, etc).
If there's both a TI and a non-TI version, the TI version should be better (i.e., 3060 TI is better than 3060).
Across two different series, versions in the same "class" should always be better in the latest product series (i.e., 4090 should be better than 3090, 4080 should be better than 3080, etc).

The difficulty comes when you try to compare two cards in different classes and different series. Sometimes, the comparison's pretty obvious. For example, the 3090 is definitely going to be better than the 4060, because you're comparing a $1500 card from the previous series with a $300 card from the current series. But other times, it's a lot harder (how does the 4070 TI compare to the 3080? Or the 4060 TI to the 3070? etc, etc.) For those, you'll probably need a good expert analysis/comparison.

Anyway. Those are the general rules of thumb. But there are some weird outliers because the 4xxx launch was such a mess (i.e., the 4060 TI is weirdly close to the 3060 TI, and sometimes worse). But, that should at least be enough to get started.

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Between this and Walmart's MSI deal which would be better for playing games like warzone and fornite? Is the difference in specs and price a major comparable or are they pretty similar and negligible?

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Between this and Walmart's MSI deal which would be better for playing games like warzone and fornite? Is the difference in specs and price a major comparable or are they pretty similar and negligible?

The deep discount on the Walmart deal is dead, so it's not as slick anymore.

For raw computing power, this has a better processor. The power supply can also handle a beefier graphics card than the MSI, which may benefit you down the road.

The MSI has a newer card, but not necessarily a more performant one (it depends on the software).

For the games you mentioned, either is more than adequate.

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Just received this.
Any suggestions on ram upgrade?

Capacity is the number one factor. If you're going to bother upgrading, aim for a 64GB (32x2) kit.

After that, clock speed and timings should be considered. I don't think you can go slower in terms of clock speed, but aiming for more than DDR5 4800 will only benefit you if you're willing to play with BIOS settings.

Lower timings look good on paper, but only translate to negligible performance improvements. But if you have the money, why not?

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Quote from sixty4bit

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How tf can I learn GPU models? Why is a 3xxx better than a 4xxx?

type the two cards you're interested in into your browser search bar. I.E: 3080 v 4080

usually the first link to show up is userbenchmark. CLick it and it will give you comparisons.

Do this alot for different models and you'll build a better high level understanding of the parts. Works for CPU's also

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I bought the cyberpowerpc as new. It came in with a bad graphic card. I am wondering how unreliable or lack of QA those graphic cards are. Or they just put in a used one instead?

I'm assuming that the system was able to post and the graphics card started having issues when you went to start a game?

No company stress tests their machines before shipping them, so this could happen regardless of manufacturer. It's happened to game consoles and retail cards as well.

It's also plausible that the card just needs to be reseated, as things shift during shipping.

Receiving a used card is not only improbable, but also illogical.

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I just bought this deal. Thank you "delz4stelz"
I'm thinking of upgrading the RAM ( I want 32 GB ).
But there's no description on RAM but the size "16 GB" from the ebay site.

Currently, I have DDR4 16 GB ram in my old machine.
Can I use these ones for the new machine?
Or should I buy something new RAM?
DDR5? Is "2 cards of 8 GB" possible option?

Any advice is appreciated.

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Quote from darpangs

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I just bought this deal. Thank you "delz4stelz"
I'm thinking of upgrading the RAM ( I want 32 GB ).
But there's no description on RAM but the size "16 GB" from the ebay site.

Currently, I have DDR4 16 GB ram in my old machine.
Can I use these ones for the new machine?
Or should I buy something new RAM?
DDR5? Is "2 cards of 8 GB" possible option?

Any advice is appreciated.

ddr4 wont work in ddr5 motherboard youll need to but new ram.. that being said ddr5 can come in 32gb for one memory slot, so this can do 2 32gb ddr5 ram chips.. they do have 16gb ddr5 as well but honestly buy the 64

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Well strike one for Acer refurbished....I ordered this computer last week (the deal I posted) and it arrived on Saturday. Got home yesterday and the plain brown box looked rough. Opened it up to find a shattered glass front plate with glass pieces inside the unit and box. The inflatable packing holders had zero air and the keyboard and mouse also looked used. To top it off the computer was covered completely in dust.....I have had other refurbished products from other companies and you would never know it was a refurb and looked brand new. This was clearly a return and repack. I started a return with ebay and am going to get a refund on this one. I guess I will reorder, save $40 and try again.

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Quote from wherestheanykey

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The stigma about "refurbished" electronics is really odd, especially if it's not something you'd be able to fix yourself.

If it's an issue with the entire line, the ones sold as new will usually have the same probability of having the same issue.

Wouldn't you rather they take care of it before you buy it, rather than discover it later and have to go through the warranty process?

The stigma is real, because you can go google creators on youtube, who purchase "refurbished" items, open them up only to find out that there was little to any refurbishing done. The term is very loosely used in the industry.

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Quote from SChapuccino

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The stigma is real, because you can go google creators on youtube, who purchase "refurbished" items, open them up only to find out that there was little to any refurbishing done. The term is very loosely used in the industry.

Agreed. I've purchased refurbished Apple products that are indistinguishable from new (recently purchased a deeply discounted iPad Pro that I'm very happy with). I've purchased other refurbished items from eBay and the 'Zon that were absolute nightmares; one that comes to mind is a mid-to-high end cappuccino maker that was obviously used and still had residue from the last time someone made coffee in it...gross. That was an immediate return and a huge disappointment.

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Quote from ianf

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Agreed. I've purchased refurbished Apple products that are indistinguishable from new (recently purchased a deeply discounted iPad Pro that I'm very happy with). I've purchased other refurbished items from eBay and the 'Zon that were absolute nightmares; one that comes to mind is a mid-to-high end cappuccino maker that was obviously used and still had residue from the last time someone made coffee in it...gross. That was an immediate return and a huge disappointment.

100% Just look at the comment above mine.

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Quote from sixty4bit

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How tf can I learn GPU models? Why is a 3xxx better than a 4xxx?

The generation is usually the first two digits (20xx, 30xx and 40xx being the current gen) and then the model of that generation is the last two digits. The last two digits (model) of the card generation are usually xx50, xx60, xx70, xx80 and now xx90. The last two digits determine its ranking of worst to best performance for the generation. Comparing between generations is not always going to be easy, but usually it's safe to assume a newer generation of the same model is better, for example, 4070 is better than 3070. But when comparing say, 4060 to 3070, which are two different generations and two different models, you might find the 3070 is better in some cases and the 4060 better in others. When doing this kind of comparison, it's best to survey benchmarks to find results and determine if the difference in price is worth the difference in performance. Hope that helps.

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pringlet

Dec 5, 2023 2:11 PM

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My acer refurb PO-640 arrived yesterday. The glass side wasn't broken, thank goodness. It is pretty scratched and marred up though. The front looks okay. 2 things of note: 1 . It's big, like double the size of my old dell xps 2. Even when not doing much the big fans cycle on and off all the time so it's a little noisy if you have a quiet room

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Any other reports on arrival? Ordered for our son for Christmas and it arrives Friday. Would be nice to see at least a couple positive experiences.

Acer Predator PO5-640 Desktop (Refurb): i7-12700, RTX 3070, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD

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