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You clearly do not know what you're talking about.
Mountain Hardwear is renowned in the hiking community for creating one of the lightest down jackets in existence, the Ghost Whisperer, the Ghost Shadow that's on sale here is the synthetic version of that jacket.
Columbia is known by dads for making those $20 fleeces.
The Magma is a down jacket and this is a synthetic jacket. Both synthetic and down have their own use cases so one is not "better" than the other, but in terms of value, down is typically much more expensive.
The magma has chevron baffles and appears to be designed as more of a heavier insulating jacket, while the Ghost Shadow is extremely light and designed to be a trekking jacket.
However, the magma is extremely light as well due to its 850 fill down, which is extremely expensive.
If I was new to hiking, or didn't already have a jacket, I would choose the Magma, just on the principal that buying a down jacket with those types of stats will easily cost you 2-$300.
Respectfully disagree. Down is good for sitting around the fire camp and doing very light work, not hiking... if you sweat just a bit it will hold all that humidity, lose its insulating properties, and keep you miserable in the cold. If you do any kind of activity, even brisk walking, you want synthetics. Just my 2 pennies - I have tried everything, have over 100 jackets from many brands including Mountain Hardwear, Arcteryx, Patagonia, Rab, Millet, Marmot, Spyder, Columbia etc etc. Have been hiking for over 40 years.
If you are backpacking, every ounces matter. So the reason why a lot of people go with the mountain hardwear ghostwhisperer over the rei magma is the weight. Ghost whisperer is 8 Oz vs the rei magma of 12oz. If you're already carding 25lbs+ in your back, anywhere you can save weight and still maintain the warm is why people chose this jacket over the rei jacket
Do you count grams of your road bike, too?
The first thing almost every active adult over 30-40 can do is lose 10 pounds.
Nobody who isn't doing super long range backpacking needs to care about 4oz. Now, good point on the whole since it adds up! And, that % difference is pretty heavy.
Generally speaking, SDers have next to no understanding of the value of higher priced outdoor-related items. I have 25-35 year old Patagonia, TNF, Mountain Hardwear, Moonstone, etc. gear that still functions. When it wears out, they warranty replace it. I still actively use a Primaloft TNF 0 degree bag that turned 30 this year.
Last edited by BackFromTheDead21 December 7, 2023 at 04:02 PM.
I have the original Ghost Whisperer and it is awesome for hiking at venue freezing. I use it as a base layer for ice climbing. I've sweated a lot in this jacket climbing and love it. It looks like the original is longer in the waist. An awesome jacket to climb and hike in. I've skied in it as a base layer with a fleece sweater down to 5°.
I love how people are disagreeing with each other because they are talking about different conditions/experiences. To re-iterate what has already been said. 1) down is more expensive, has a better warmth-to-weight ratio (i.e., lighter when providing the same "warmth"), but becomes useless when wet or compressed. 2) synthetic is less expensive and retains warmth better when wet, but will be less warm for the same weight as down.
As others have mentioned, you're approximately saving 4oz for $100 more, which won't make a difference on a day-hike or a 10-mile overnight but might be worth it on a 25-mile-a-day 3000+ mile thru-hike, which brings me to my next point: whether you need one or the other, which is where there seems to be disagreement in this thread, depends on your typical/planned usage, experience, and physiological makeup. Even at the same outdoor temperature, there is a huge difference in trail running up 6,000ft over 8 miles and taking a 5-mile stroll in a (flat) forest (please note I am deliberately taking extreme examples). Additionally, different people sweat more/less quickly, get cold slower/faster, etc... At the end of the day, it's a highly personal decision and most "experienced" hikers/backpackers will own both (along with many other types) and take which either is more appropriate for their planned outing.
Last edited by webenji December 7, 2023 at 04:23 PM.
I love how people are disagreeing with each other because they are talking about different conditions/experiences. To re-iterate what has already been said. 1) down is more expensive, has a better warmth-to-weight ratio (i.e., lighter when providing the same "warmth"), but becomes useless when wet or compressed. 2) synthetic is less expensive and retains warmth better when wet, but will be less warm for the same weight as down.
As others have mentioned, you're approximately saving 4oz for $100 more, which won't make a difference on a day-hike or a 10-mile overnight but might be worth it on a 25-mile-a-day 3000+ mile thru-hike, which brings me to my next point: whether you need one or the other, which is where there seems to be disagreement in this thread, depends on your typical/planned usage, experience, and physiological makeup. Even at the same outdoor temperature, there is a huge difference in trail running up 6,000ft over 8 miles and taking a 5-mile stroll in a (flat) forest (please note I am deliberately taking extreme examples). Additionally, different people sweat more/less quickly, get cold slower/faster, etc... At the end of the day, it's a highly personal decision and most "experienced" hikers/backpackers will own both (along with many other types) and take which either is more appropriate for their planned outing.
Nice summary. I would add one more: 3) down is much less breathable than synthetic. You will cook from inside if you exert yourself in average or above average humidity.
Down recovers from repeated compression/decompression cycles better while still retaining its warmth rating. Synthetic on the other hand is permanently compromised more quickly. Something to consider depending on the use case.
I have a Ghost Whisperer Hoody that is starting to show its age. Anyone knows how the Ghost Shadow compares to the Ghost Whisperer (apart from the obvious down vs synthetic)?
I own a Ghost whisperer and tried on the shadow last week. I can't comment on warmth, but 2 observations I had were 1, the shadow had less loft and therefore felt slightly slimmer or more fitted. 2nd, the synthetic insulation was slightly noisy as I could hear it "crinkle" when squeezing the jacket.
I have tried everything, have over 100 jackets from many brands including Mountain Hardwear, Arcteryx, Patagonia, Rab, Millet, Marmot, Spyder, Columbia etc etc.
I will save this post to show my wife when she says I have too many jackets
Interesting read.. you guys are making me wanna return the Magma 850 and get a synthetic down instead lol, or keep the Magma 850 and get a cheap synthetic. Humidity is high in NC where I am at and I am an active guy. Moderate hikes but never a stroll.
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Mountain Hardwear is renowned in the hiking community for creating one of the lightest down jackets in existence, the Ghost Whisperer, the Ghost Shadow that's on sale here is the synthetic version of that jacket.
Columbia is known by dads for making those $20 fleeces.
The magma has chevron baffles and appears to be designed as more of a heavier insulating jacket, while the Ghost Shadow is extremely light and designed to be a trekking jacket.
However, the magma is extremely light as well due to its 850 fill down, which is extremely expensive.
If I was new to hiking, or didn't already have a jacket, I would choose the Magma, just on the principal that buying a down jacket with those types of stats will easily cost you 2-$300.
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The first thing almost every active adult over 30-40 can do is lose 10 pounds.
Nobody who isn't doing super long range backpacking needs to care about 4oz. Now, good point on the whole since it adds up! And, that % difference is pretty heavy.
Generally speaking, SDers have next to no understanding of the value of higher priced outdoor-related items. I have 25-35 year old Patagonia, TNF, Mountain Hardwear, Moonstone, etc. gear that still functions. When it wears out, they warranty replace it. I still actively use a Primaloft TNF 0 degree bag that turned 30 this year.
As others have mentioned, you're approximately saving 4oz for $100 more, which won't make a difference on a day-hike or a 10-mile overnight but might be worth it on a 25-mile-a-day 3000+ mile thru-hike, which brings me to my next point: whether you need one or the other, which is where there seems to be disagreement in this thread, depends on your typical/planned usage, experience, and physiological makeup. Even at the same outdoor temperature, there is a huge difference in trail running up 6,000ft over 8 miles and taking a 5-mile stroll in a (flat) forest (please note I am deliberately taking extreme examples). Additionally, different people sweat more/less quickly, get cold slower/faster, etc... At the end of the day, it's a highly personal decision and most "experienced" hikers/backpackers will own both (along with many other types) and take which either is more appropriate for their planned outing.
As others have mentioned, you're approximately saving 4oz for $100 more, which won't make a difference on a day-hike or a 10-mile overnight but might be worth it on a 25-mile-a-day 3000+ mile thru-hike, which brings me to my next point: whether you need one or the other, which is where there seems to be disagreement in this thread, depends on your typical/planned usage, experience, and physiological makeup. Even at the same outdoor temperature, there is a huge difference in trail running up 6,000ft over 8 miles and taking a 5-mile stroll in a (flat) forest (please note I am deliberately taking extreme examples). Additionally, different people sweat more/less quickly, get cold slower/faster, etc... At the end of the day, it's a highly personal decision and most "experienced" hikers/backpackers will own both (along with many other types) and take which either is more appropriate for their planned outing.
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