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Question: I have been waiting for the Dual-bevel Sliding 12-inch Dewalt with laser guide to go on sale, but I've heard this is a "great" miter saw. Not taking into consideration price or Menard bucks, is this legit comparable?
I know it's slightly smaller at 10-inch, but currently a 12-inch Dewalt[homedepot.com] (no laser guide) is currently on sale at HD (with stand) for $449 (may be hackable -- I don't know how that works though).
I've seen YouTube vids of attaching a laser light to miter saws. That may be doable to get the shadow line if I really feel like I need it.
Question: I have been waiting for the Dual-bevel Sliding 12-inch Dewalt with laser guide to go on sale, but I've heard this is a "great" miter saw. Not taking into consideration price or Menard bucks, is this legit comparable?
I know it's slightly smaller at 10-inch, but currently a 12-inch Dewalt[homedepot.com] (no laser guide) is currently on sale at HD (with stand) for $449 (may be hackable -- I don't know how that works though).
I've seen YouTube vids of attaching a laser light to miter saws. That may be doable to get the shadow line if I really feel like I need it.
LED shadow vs Laser cutline indicators:
A shadow line cast from an LED behind the blade (as on the Delta) is always going to beat a laser for consistent accuracy since it is always dead-on and never needs to be adjusted. A laser can be made extremely accurate with adjustment, but may go out of alignment over time. The laser and LED shadow are both harder to see under daylight, but the laser will be better in these conditions.
Rails vs arms sliding mechanism:
"Robot" arms (as on the Delta, Ridgid-clone, Bosch) allow the saw to sit flush against a back wall. Rails (as on basically every other slider) will not sit flush against the back wall with the exception of a few models (Makita, Wen). The sliding mechanism on any of the rail-based sliders is going to be slightly more stable when it come to side-to-side play at full extension vs the arm-driven sliders, but both can achieve excellent accuracy if you are aware of this play and control your vertical cutting motion.
Size:
Almost exclusively preference. 12" will generally cut thicker and wider boards, but not always (e.g. this 10" Delta can cross-cut 2x16", the linked 12" Dewalt will crosscut only 2x14"). The smaller blade saws will be 10-20% lighter on average. 10" saws use the same blades as most table saws, and the blades themselves are generally cheaper than 12".
Last edited by madpearx December 12, 2023 at 10:28 AM.
I have the Skil, which I bought from Menards last year for around 200, and it's pretty solid. Reliable, clean cuts. Given the option, I'd rather have the Delta.
Question: I have been waiting for the Dual-bevel Sliding 12-inch Dewalt with laser guide to go on sale, but I've heard this is a "great" miter saw. Not taking into consideration price or Menard bucks, is this legit comparable?
I know it's slightly smaller at 10-inch, but currently a 12-inch Dewalt[homedepot.com] (no laser guide) is currently on sale at HD (with stand) for $449 (may be hackable -- I don't know how that works though).
I've seen YouTube vids of attaching a laser light to miter saws. That may be doable to get the shadow line if I really feel like I need it.
i have a hercules he74 with shadowline, used it alot for years has trimmed out several houses and done few thou of cross cuts in ironwood ipe. Awesome saw. Also have a bosch 5412L i paid like 75 bucks used for, also awesome and like it more because it was only 75 buck and needed a few minor freshening things. Both dead accurate. Shadowline i find helpful if making alot of cuts like basedboard, crown, a full day work, a few seconds saved not dropping blade to double check as much adds up. I don't bother turning it on for anything else. I do notice when using the bosch without it (it has a blade mounted spinning laser) but yeah i do find myself there sometimes going man no shadowline let me triple check because the blade lasers have to be spinning pretty good they're a bit flaky...maybe i should replace it. But outside doing say i'm doing some siding, ipe boards or something i don't even bother turning it on, i've only ever turned it on when doing crown, or base and a good bit of it. In the other cases it just doesn't dawn on me that i need to turn it on. So it's not end all be all is my point.
Anyways i'd go for shadowline unless you're just doing lumber which you don't need a miter saw for anyways....10's can be limiting with certain angles and crown depending on size of crown ...12's good for everything , large crown, cross cutting ply ,etc but heavy as heck. I would not buy the bosch without shadowline IMHO but then again i also wouldn't pay over 400 bucks for miter saw for the dewalt either. And miter saw warranties are pointless as no one on this planet is going to pay to ship a 60 pound saw back. Order parts for sure.
Question: I have been waiting for the Dual-bevel Sliding 12-inch Dewalt with laser guide to go on sale, but I've heard this is a "great" miter saw. Not taking into consideration price or Menard bucks, is this legit comparable?
I know it's slightly smaller at 10-inch, but currently a 12-inch Dewalt[homedepot.com] (no laser guide) is currently on sale at HD (with stand) for $449 (may be hackable -- I don't know how that works though).
I've seen YouTube vids of attaching a laser light to miter saws. That may be doable to get the shadow line if I really feel like I need it.
exactly, though the new herc pricing is pretty high for limited parts in future imho i paid i think mid 200's to 279 for my he74 years ago. Which the dewalt with shadow was way over 400 then. Saved huge and haven't regretted it
He can get the herc he78 on clearance if in his area for 229, shadowline , dead accurate, at that 229 for a 12 with shadow and good blade to boot, is no brainer, if i didn't have 2 12's right now i'd grab one. At 229 who cares about long term parts
exactly, though the new herc pricing is pretty high for limited parts in future imho i paid i think mid 200's to 279 for my he74 years ago. Which the dewalt with shadow was way over 400 then. Saved huge and haven't regretted it
He can get the herc he78 on clearance if in his area for 229, shadowline , dead accurate, at that 229 for a 12 with shadow and good blade to boot, is no brainer, if i didn't have 2 12's right now i'd grab one. At 229 who cares about long term parts
LED shadow vs Laser cutline indicators:
A shadow line cast from an LED behind the blade (as on the Delta) is always going to beat a laser for consistent accuracy since it is always dead-on and never needs to be adjusted. A laser can be made extremely accurate with adjustment, but may go out of alignment over time. The laser and LED shadow are both harder to see under daylight, but the laser will be better in these conditions.
Rails vs arms sliding mechanism:
"Robot" arms (as on the Delta, Ridgid-clone, Bosch) allow the saw to sit flush against a back wall. Rails (as on basically every other slider) will not sit flush against the back wall with the exception of a few models (Makita, Wen). The sliding mechanism on any of the rail-based sliders is going to be slightly more stable when it come to side-to-side play at full extension vs the arm-driven sliders, but both can achieve excellent accuracy if you are aware of this play and control your vertical cutting motion.
Size:
Almost exclusively preference. 12" will generally cut thicker and wider boards, but not always (e.g. this 10" Delta can cross-cut 2x16", the linked 12" Dewalt will crosscut only 2x14"). The smaller blade saws will be 10-20% lighter on average. 10" saws use the same blades as most table saws, and the blades themselves are generally cheaper than 12".
I have the 12" dewalt without the laser (forgot model #) and if I were to do it again, I would have either just gone for the HF Hercules 12" or spent more on a different model that isn't so deep. Most of my home projects have exceeded the capacity of the 12" dewalt and overall I'm not too thrilled with it. I also used my BIL's with the laser and it wasn't much better and the laser was still hard to see during the day from what I remember. I've been looking for a 12" bosch or makita, but I would have jumped on this if it were local or 12"
I've been looking for a 12" bosch or makita, but I would have jumped on this if it were local or 12"
The 12" is also on sale, but for $343.19 (with rebate) (link[menards.com]). I don't know the 19 cents is about. Maybe that means they won't be restocking this item.
The 12" is also on sale, but for $343.19 (with rebate) (link[menards.com]). I don't know the 19 cents is about. Maybe that means they won't be restocking this item.
Shipping kills it - but thanks for trying to get me in trouble!
Question: I have been waiting for the Dual-bevel Sliding 12-inch Dewalt with laser guide to go on sale, but I've heard this is a "great" miter saw. Not taking into consideration price or Menard bucks, is this legit comparable?
I know it's slightly smaller at 10-inch, but currently a 12-inch Dewalt[homedepot.com] (no laser guide) is currently on sale at HD (with stand) for $449 (may be hackable -- I don't know how that works though).
I've seen YouTube vids of attaching a laser light to miter saws. That may be doable to get the shadow line if I really feel like I need it.
Menards has the 12" cruzer (old model) on clearance for $343 if you can find it available. That's a great deal on that saw. The new Delta model is out and only about $50.00 off right now.
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Shipping is $60. Definitely in store deal.
$35 of the discount is a menards mail in rebate fyi
I know it's slightly smaller at 10-inch, but currently a 12-inch Dewalt [homedepot.com] (no laser guide) is currently on sale at HD (with stand) for $449 (may be hackable -- I don't know how that works though).
I've seen YouTube vids of attaching a laser light to miter saws. That may be doable to get the shadow line if I really feel like I need it.
I know it's slightly smaller at 10-inch, but currently a 12-inch Dewalt [homedepot.com] (no laser guide) is currently on sale at HD (with stand) for $449 (may be hackable -- I don't know how that works though).
I've seen YouTube vids of attaching a laser light to miter saws. That may be doable to get the shadow line if I really feel like I need it.
A shadow line cast from an LED behind the blade (as on the Delta) is always going to beat a laser for consistent accuracy since it is always dead-on and never needs to be adjusted. A laser can be made extremely accurate with adjustment, but may go out of alignment over time. The laser and LED shadow are both harder to see under daylight, but the laser will be better in these conditions.
Rails vs arms sliding mechanism:
"Robot" arms (as on the Delta, Ridgid-clone, Bosch) allow the saw to sit flush against a back wall. Rails (as on basically every other slider) will not sit flush against the back wall with the exception of a few models (Makita, Wen). The sliding mechanism on any of the rail-based sliders is going to be slightly more stable when it come to side-to-side play at full extension vs the arm-driven sliders, but both can achieve excellent accuracy if you are aware of this play and control your vertical cutting motion.
Size:
Almost exclusively preference. 12" will generally cut thicker and wider boards, but not always (e.g. this 10" Delta can cross-cut 2x16", the linked 12" Dewalt will crosscut only 2x14"). The smaller blade saws will be 10-20% lighter on average. 10" saws use the same blades as most table saws, and the blades themselves are generally cheaper than 12".
I know it's slightly smaller at 10-inch, but currently a 12-inch Dewalt [homedepot.com] (no laser guide) is currently on sale at HD (with stand) for $449 (may be hackable -- I don't know how that works though).
I've seen YouTube vids of attaching a laser light to miter saws. That may be doable to get the shadow line if I really feel like I need it.
Anyways i'd go for shadowline unless you're just doing lumber which you don't need a miter saw for anyways....10's can be limiting with certain angles and crown depending on size of crown ...12's good for everything , large crown, cross cutting ply ,etc but heavy as heck. I would not buy the bosch without shadowline IMHO but then again i also wouldn't pay over 400 bucks for miter saw for the dewalt either. And miter saw warranties are pointless as no one on this planet is going to pay to ship a 60 pound saw back. Order parts for sure.
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I know it's slightly smaller at 10-inch, but currently a 12-inch Dewalt [homedepot.com] (no laser guide) is currently on sale at HD (with stand) for $449 (may be hackable -- I don't know how that works though).
I've seen YouTube vids of attaching a laser light to miter saws. That may be doable to get the shadow line if I really feel like I need it.
He can get the herc he78 on clearance if in his area for 229, shadowline , dead accurate, at that 229 for a 12 with shadow and good blade to boot, is no brainer, if i didn't have 2 12's right now i'd grab one. At 229 who cares about long term parts
He can get the herc he78 on clearance if in his area for 229, shadowline , dead accurate, at that 229 for a 12 with shadow and good blade to boot, is no brainer, if i didn't have 2 12's right now i'd grab one. At 229 who cares about long term parts
A shadow line cast from an LED behind the blade (as on the Delta) is always going to beat a laser for consistent accuracy since it is always dead-on and never needs to be adjusted. A laser can be made extremely accurate with adjustment, but may go out of alignment over time. The laser and LED shadow are both harder to see under daylight, but the laser will be better in these conditions.
Rails vs arms sliding mechanism:
"Robot" arms (as on the Delta, Ridgid-clone, Bosch) allow the saw to sit flush against a back wall. Rails (as on basically every other slider) will not sit flush against the back wall with the exception of a few models (Makita, Wen). The sliding mechanism on any of the rail-based sliders is going to be slightly more stable when it come to side-to-side play at full extension vs the arm-driven sliders, but both can achieve excellent accuracy if you are aware of this play and control your vertical cutting motion.
Size:
Almost exclusively preference. 12" will generally cut thicker and wider boards, but not always (e.g. this 10" Delta can cross-cut 2x16", the linked 12" Dewalt will crosscut only 2x14"). The smaller blade saws will be 10-20% lighter on average. 10" saws use the same blades as most table saws, and the blades themselves are generally cheaper than 12".
The 12" is also on sale, but for $343.19 (with rebate) (link [menards.com]). I don't know the 19 cents is about. Maybe that means they won't be restocking this item.
I know it's slightly smaller at 10-inch, but currently a 12-inch Dewalt [homedepot.com] (no laser guide) is currently on sale at HD (with stand) for $449 (may be hackable -- I don't know how that works though).
I've seen YouTube vids of attaching a laser light to miter saws. That may be doable to get the shadow line if I really feel like I need it.
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