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Sure, but this has 2 GPUs not 6 (good luck running more than two on 1200W). If you need that many PCI-E lanes or any of those specific features, then sure. But, I use a 7950x with an even higher-end multi gpu setup all day long. If all you need is number crunching cores for compile, encoding or DL training, then 16 zen 4 cores is alarmingly close to 32 zen 2 cores already in multicore loads due to improvements in the CPU architecture and higher clocks. Not all cores are equal. Zen 2 ~ approx Intel Skylake. The build with AM5 will come out less with faster DDR5 ram and in a couple of years, 16+ cores of zen 5 or 6 will definitely beat 32 cores of zen 2.
If your use case needs 6 GPUs then sure in regard to PSU but depending on your field of work you may have need for multiple FPGA's which wouldn't need more than provided.
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Sure, but this has 2 GPUs not 6 (good luck running more than two on 1200W). If you need that many PCI-E lanes or any of those specific features, then sure. But, I use a 7950x with an even higher-end multi gpu setup all day long. If all you need is number crunching cores for compile, encoding or DL training, then 16 zen 4 cores is alarmingly close to 32 zen 2 cores already in multicore loads due to improvements in the CPU architecture and higher clocks. Not all cores are equal. Zen 2 ~ approx Intel Skylake. The build with AM5 will come out less with faster DDR5 ram and in a couple of years, 16+ cores of zen 5 or 6 will definitely beat 32 cores of zen 2.
Well, PCIe is not used only for GPUs. High speed fiber optic network cards, Storage/raid/HBA controllers, even AI compute addon cards are all legitimate use cases that exist and which could easily use 16 lanes of PCIe 4.0. And there are many others. Again, this is a workstation/server class machine. Trying to compare it to consumer desktop hardware simply misses the point.
The person who's looking at a 7950X isnt going to remotely be interested in this. But neither is the person who is interested in a workstation/server machine going to be interested in a regular 7950X. Especially when you lose out on so many features. Each has its use case and target market.
What are people doing with their CAD/BIM/MCAD workstations these days, realtime rendering? Computational fluid dynamics? This is still wayyy overkill for ~98% of CAD users on the bell curve of power users.
Just buy the latest single threaded processing beast. Until Autodesk, Bentley, Dassault makes their code-base more parallelized, your workstation will always be bottlenecked by software.
Edit: If your CAD tech says they need one of these, buy it for them! Not because the machine will improve anything but because their life is hard and they deserve anything they ask for.
Edit2: I think my previous statement may be misinterpreted. Yeah, it's overkill but on all the wrong metrics on dated specs. An ideal (and cheaper) workstation would be an i9-14900K or i7-14700K because PassMark grades those highly on single threadded performance. You can still build for under $3000 with those processors. Intel has decided to heat up their processors to Turbo up to 6GHz! The AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 3975WX only has 2,658 MOps/Sec @4.2GHz Turbo and was first seen on PassMark 2020Q4. My dated i7-8700 at 4.6GHz Turbo even does 2,652 MOps/Sec and it came out in 2017Q4. Anyway, it's always better to throw money at components that actually make a difference and unfortunately, it's still the one peformance thread that performs the fastest that makes all the difference. Liquid cooling, playing the CPU BIN lottery, and buying the right overclockable/underclocking motherboard will make a big difference.
P.S. Don't buy a Quadro unless your GPU is glitchy because Nvidia's gaming drivers don't like to play nice with your CAD software. A GeForce will be many times cheaper and many times better. Unfortunately, Nvidia likes to make powerusers pay up by doing B.S. 'certifications' with software vendors. Older GeForce cards used to be hackable to a Quadro driver. I don't think it's simple like that anymore.
My friend, you are simply missing the point by comparing this to the 7950X.
This computer is not for your average gamer/user. This is a legit productivity computer. Go and spec out a 7950X build with similar specs (128GB RAM, 6 PCIe 4.0 x16 slots, multiple 3080-level GPUs, 1200W PSU, and out-of-band management capability). Hint: You can't. Because there isn't a single AM5 motherboard with 6 PCIe 4.0 slots, let alone x16. Or an IPMI, that I am aware of. By the time you even get close to the specs of this computer with a 7950X, you're already at $3000 and you have half the cores, and half the features.
Sorry sir, but I don't believe you know how Slickdeals comments work.
If this isn't better than everything else in my edge use-case, or maybe one I've just made up, then everyone is a fool for getting it. There are no use-cases beyond mine that are worth considering. By the way, I'm very smart. Did two tours, worked as a top-boi in whatever industry the thread is about, so I know of what I speak, sir! Sorry to have to own-zone you so hard, but it was for the greater good
If this isn't better than everything else in my edge use-case, or maybe one I've just made up, then everyone is a fool for getting it. There are no use-cases beyond mine that are worth considering. By the way, I'm very smart. Did two tours, worked as a top-boi in whatever industry the thread is about, so I know of what I speak, sir! Sorry to have to own-zone you so hard, but it was for the greater good
This one really is not that hard to figure out:
1. Need lots of cores or just a really powerful machine: video encode, deep learning, CAD (maybe this is not the best choice today)
2. Have specific needs for lots of PCI-E lanes or IPMI, etc (get this or some other threadripper machine)
Folks in the latter category are probably specialized enough to figure out whether they need this or not.
What are people doing with their CAD/BIM/MCAD workstations these days, realtime rendering? Computational fluid dynamics? This is still wayyy overkill for ~98% of CAD users on the bell curve of power users.
Just buy the latest single threaded processing beast. Until Autodesk, Bentley, Dassault makes their code-base more parallelized, your workstation will always be bottlenecked by software.
Edit: If your CAD tech says they need one of these, buy it for them! Not because the machine will improve anything but because their life is hard and they deserve anything they ask for.
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Well, PCIe is not used only for GPUs. High speed fiber optic network cards, Storage/raid/HBA controllers, even AI compute addon cards are all legitimate use cases that exist and which could easily use 16 lanes of PCIe 4.0. And there are many others. Again, this is a workstation/server class machine. Trying to compare it to consumer desktop hardware simply misses the point.
The person who's looking at a 7950X isnt going to remotely be interested in this. But neither is the person who is interested in a workstation/server machine going to be interested in a regular 7950X. Especially when you lose out on so many features. Each has its use case and target market.
Just buy the latest single threaded processing beast. Until Autodesk, Bentley, Dassault makes their code-base more parallelized, your workstation will always be bottlenecked by software.
Edit: If your CAD tech says they need one of these, buy it for them! Not because the machine will improve anything but because their life is hard and they deserve anything they ask for.
Edit2: I think my previous statement may be misinterpreted. Yeah, it's overkill but on all the wrong metrics on dated specs. An ideal (and cheaper) workstation would be an i9-14900K or i7-14700K because PassMark grades those highly on single threadded performance. You can still build for under $3000 with those processors. Intel has decided to heat up their processors to Turbo up to 6GHz! The AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 3975WX only has 2,658 MOps/Sec @4.2GHz Turbo and was first seen on PassMark 2020Q4. My dated i7-8700 at 4.6GHz Turbo even does 2,652 MOps/Sec and it came out in 2017Q4. Anyway, it's always better to throw money at components that actually make a difference and unfortunately, it's still the one peformance thread that performs the fastest that makes all the difference. Liquid cooling, playing the CPU BIN lottery, and buying the right overclockable/underclocking motherboard will make a big difference.
P.S. Don't buy a Quadro unless your GPU is glitchy because Nvidia's gaming drivers don't like to play nice with your CAD software. A GeForce will be many times cheaper and many times better. Unfortunately, Nvidia likes to make powerusers pay up by doing B.S. 'certifications' with software vendors. Older GeForce cards used to be hackable to a Quadro driver. I don't think it's simple like that anymore.
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This computer is not for your average gamer/user. This is a legit productivity computer. Go and spec out a 7950X build with similar specs (128GB RAM, 6 PCIe 4.0 x16 slots, multiple 3080-level GPUs, 1200W PSU, and out-of-band management capability). Hint: You can't. Because there isn't a single AM5 motherboard with 6 PCIe 4.0 slots, let alone x16. Or an IPMI, that I am aware of. By the time you even get close to the specs of this computer with a 7950X, you're already at $3000 and you have half the cores, and half the features.
If this isn't better than everything else in my edge use-case, or maybe one I've just made up, then everyone is a fool for getting it. There are no use-cases beyond mine that are worth considering. By the way, I'm very smart. Did two tours, worked as a top-boi in whatever industry the thread is about, so I know of what I speak, sir! Sorry to have to own-zone you so hard, but it was for the greater good
If this isn't better than everything else in my edge use-case, or maybe one I've just made up, then everyone is a fool for getting it. There are no use-cases beyond mine that are worth considering. By the way, I'm very smart. Did two tours, worked as a top-boi in whatever industry the thread is about, so I know of what I speak, sir! Sorry to have to own-zone you so hard, but it was for the greater good
1. Need lots of cores or just a really powerful machine: video encode, deep learning, CAD (maybe this is not the best choice today)
2. Have specific needs for lots of PCI-E lanes or IPMI, etc (get this or some other threadripper machine)
Folks in the latter category are probably specialized enough to figure out whether they need this or not.
Edit: Plus the 3080 10GB is still selling for ~$350-$400 and you're getting two of them.
Not that you could use two of them for gaming?
Just buy the latest single threaded processing beast. Until Autodesk, Bentley, Dassault makes their code-base more parallelized, your workstation will always be bottlenecked by software.
Edit: If your CAD tech says they need one of these, buy it for them! Not because the machine will improve anything but because their life is hard and they deserve anything they ask for.
Lag in CAD absolutely ruins my day
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Ofc. Just saying for the inevitable several people who might inquire for such usage