Walmart has Power Joe Power Joe 4100W Peak / 3300W Portable Propane Generator w/ 2.0Ah Battery & Charger (SJG4100LP-TV1) on sale for $298. Shipping is free.
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Includes a 2.0Ah 24V IONMAX lithium-ion battery to instantly turn on the motor
4100 Starting Watts/3300 Running Watts of power to run appliances for up to 9hrs (20lb propane tank at 50% load)
8 HP 223cc 4 Stroke OHV Engine
Outputs: 120 V RV Receptacle, 120 V AC Twist Lock Receptacle, 2 x 120 V AC Receptacle, 5 V USB Receptacle, Multi-Voltage USB Type-C USB Receptacle
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Walmart has Power Joe Power Joe 4100W Peak / 3300W Portable Propane Generator w/ 2.0Ah Battery & Charger (SJG4100LP-TV1) on sale for $298. Shipping is free.
Thanks to Community Member JD713 for sharing this deal.
About this Item:
Includes a 2.0Ah 24V IONMAX lithium-ion battery to instantly turn on the motor
4100 Starting Watts/3300 Running Watts of power to run appliances for up to 9hrs (20lb propane tank at 50% load)
8 HP 223cc 4 Stroke OHV Engine
Outputs: 120 V RV Receptacle, 120 V AC Twist Lock Receptacle, 2 x 120 V AC Receptacle, 5 V USB Receptacle, Multi-Voltage USB Type-C USB Receptacle
Model: Portable Generator, Liquid Propane, 3,300 W Rated, 4,100 W Surge, Electric, Recoil Start, 120V AC
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Take a chill pill. This generator is perfect for a cabin or backup generator. Throw a $20 solar battery charger on it and it will fire up instantly, every time, whenever you want as the propane doesn't go bad and the battery is charged.
An inverter generator this size is at least $500 to $1000 with electric start.
Dirty power is so overrated. Almost every device that has a power brick won't be affected. But it's not going to kill any electronics running it for a weekend while the power is out. worst case if you run your house on it for a month you might burn out an led light bulb or find some things don't work right (furnace control boards, mini splits). but, almost nothing is permanently damaged by dirty power (except LEDs like the one in your microwave display)
What you can do is run a switch into the cabin and with a push of a button your generator turns on (every time) when you want power for lights or an old fridge or whatever.
If you've got a $8000 fridge and home theatre system your worried about being damaged by dirty power, you're not the type to buy the cheapest Genny you can find, buy the inverter.
I bought this propane Power Joe for the case where I run out of gas for my 3 x 2200w inverters and 1 x 5500w raw power gennie. I have 8 x 20# propane tanks. I tried a dual fuel inverter and while it was nice, it was hard to start and ran about 20% less power on propane, IIRC. I'll be receiving this one in a couple days. $298 plus tax = $321 with tax @ Walmart. Really a great deal.
There are only 7 nuts and bolts and assembly was a breeze. Tools needed:
19mm socket and ratchet
17mm wrench or crescent wrench
10mm socket and ratchet
10mm wrench or crescent wrench
wire cutter, knife or scissors to cut the zip tie on the propane hose
crescent wrench for the handle release mechanism
Note that in the video, the front feet are angled UP slightly. The 2 feet are NOT THE SAME. One is for the left side and the other the right side. You need to put the correct one on the correct side as they are not marked.
Start charging the battery before you start assembly and the battery will be ready when you are done. The battery has 3 LEDs indicating charge level with a button on the battery to display the battery's charge level.
The 24v battery is a GREAT IDEA and differentiates this generator from others that require a trickle charger or a jump starter on a typical 12v AGM battery. This battery can be charged in your house with the included battery and charger and be ready to start the generator when you need it. This is a huge advantage.
INCLUDED $180 worth of accessories (plus free shipping $70):
Included 2.0-Ah lithium-ion battery starts unit up to 400x on a single charge
4100 Starting Watts/3300 Running Watts of power to run appliances for up to 9hrs... for a dual-fuel generator this equates to 5125 Starting Watts /4125 Running Watts on propane (~20% power loss on propane)
Integrated control panel w/ multiple outlets for devices, appliances, RVs & more
Propane hose siphons fuel from the tank (tank not included) for cleaner energy
TIPS:
1) the box is big and heavy. I tipped the box onto a heavy duty dolly to move it around. It's over 115# so be prepared for that. Slide the box off the dolly onto a piece of cardboard or moving blanket to protect it. Cut open the box from the bottom, lay the box down and simply lift the box up revealing the contents. Navigating the box was the hardest part of the assembly process.
2) the two front feet have a slight angle to them... follow the video and install with them angled UP
3) the hubcaps snapped in place easily on the left wheel, but not on the right, so I opted to just leave them off. I think they are ugly and just get in the way should I need to access the wheels. The generator looks better from the side without them.
4) I plan on using a 25' 30a Southwire generator cord https://www.lowes.com/pd/Southwir...1002945674 with the Reliance Through The Wall kit https://www.zoro.com/reliance-con...lsrc=aw.ds
5) Add oil ... the instructions say 10w30 or 10w40. It gets real cold here this time of year, so I put in 10w30. In summer I'll go with a heavier weight.
6) When a cumulative run time of 20 hours has been reached, replace the engine lubrication. After the first time of replacing lubricant, replace the lubricant every 100 hours.
When a cumulative time of 50 hours is reached, clean the air filter.
When a cumulative time of 100 hours is reached, clean the spark plug.
7) I didn't measure but it looked to me like it took about 3/4 quart of oil. It ships without oil.
8) I ran it for about 1/2 hour with a light load on it. I'll run a breakin with 2 x 1500w heaters soon and then change the oil again.
9) I installed the magnetic dipstick. I use these on all my generators except the Coleman PM0525202.03 which doesn't have one available.
CONS:
1) Weight, as mentioned above, I won't be lifting this into my SUV like the small inverters
2) Noise, @ 70db it's about 10-12db louder than my inverters, but not as loud as my 6250w/5500w Coleman @ around 90db
3) Digital display–The display shows the amount of time the generator has run since being started. It will automatically reset when reached the Max. number it can show. My Westinghouse inverter shows fuel level, watts, etc. This display is a real let-down by comparison, but it's better than nothing.
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Huh, propane is everywhere; outdoor grills use propane (Lowes, Home Depot, Blue Rhino spots). Not to mention, the last time we had a large-scale outage in my area, even the gas stations couldn't pump gas due to no electricity!
BTUs are a moot point; the generator is rated based on running on propane, so you'll get the 3300W running on propane.
You all are missing the point. Lower btu means more propane is used to make the same power vs gas. The wattage is the same but the run time is shorter. Propane is everywhere on a sunny day. Now after a hurricane or a blizzard propane is not as readily available as liquid energy aka gas or diesel. Lastly propane runs hot as hell in the combustion chambers. Buy yourself plenty of oil because you will need to change it frequently.
Anymore education need please feel free to reply.
You should focus on the high number. These generators run hot and will turn your oil into wine in no time.
This uses a chonda engine with splash lubrication not pressure lubrication as in all vehicles. Every chonda engine manual I have ever seen requires the upper number to be "30" with one exception. If the ambient air temperature has not gone below 72F for 24 hours then 5w-40 or 10w-40 may be used. Otherwise its use is not allowed and will void the warranty.
Warranty requires that "x"w-30 be used whenever the ambient air temperature is below 72F otherwise engine wear is greatly increased during cold start. The safest bet is to use 5w-30 full synthetic after break-in because it is recommended from below freezing to 100 F+ If one installs "x"w-40 mid-summer then chances are that they will forget to change it when cold start temp falls below 72F. .
Is it true that propane generators are hard to start in the winter?
Yes, and no.
If you live in Edinburg TX in the winter - then no. If you live in International Falls, MN, then heck yes.
Every thing is more difficult to run when it gets cold enough. The thing is - what constitutes being cold? (and for how long?)
This uses a chonda engine with splash lubrication not pressure lubrication as in all vehicles. Every chonda engine manual I have ever seen requires the upper number to be "30" with one exception. If the ambient air temperature has not gone below 72F for 24 hours then 5w-40 or 10w-40 may be used. Otherwise its use is not allowed and will void the warranty.
Warranty requires that "x"w-30 be used whenever the ambient air temperature is below 72F otherwise engine wear is greatly increased during cold start. The safest bet is to use 5w-30 full synthetic after break-in because it is recommended from below freezing to 100 F+ If one installs "x"w-40 mid-summer then chances are that they will forget to change it when cold start temp falls below 72F. .
"instructions say 10w30 or 10w40. It gets real cold here this time of year, so I put in 10w30. In summer I'll go with a heavier weight" Correct me if I am wrong but there is no difference between 10w30 & 10w40 in the winter time. The first number on oil is the viscosity when cold & the other is viscosity when hot. If it really is that cold where you live 5w or 0w may be a better option.
Break the engine in on 10w-30 conventional then switch to 5w-30 full synthetic. This is a splash lubrication engine. Cold start damage will occur with 10w-40 unless the engine and oil are 72F minimum. Even when warmed engine lubrication is compromised in cold weather with Xw-40 oil. Refer to the manual for any Champion , Westinghouse, Firman or Duromax for a chart with arrows showing oil weight vs allowable ambient temperature range for that weight of oil. Pressure lubricated engines like your car do not have the same issue.
Break the engine in on 10w-30 conventional then switch to 5w-30 full synthetic. This is a splash lubrication engine. Cold start damage will occur with 10w-40 unless the engine and oil are 72F minimum. Even when warmed engine lubrication is compromised in cold weather with Xw-40 oil. Refer to the manual for any Champion , Westinghouse, Firman or Duromax for a chart with arrows showing oil weight vs allowable ambient temperature range for that weight of oil. Pressure lubricated engines like your car do not have the same issue.
Buy it because it fits your application or because you just want it for no particular reason. I challenge misrepresentations nothing more.
BTW, your project list includes an L14-30 twist lock generator cord which will not fit the outlet on the generator which is L5-30R. The Reliance house inlet which you list is also L14-30. One of my points is that this is not a back-up generator. You can use it with your project but you'll want an L5-30 house inlet with an L5-30 generator cord. Just use a standard work box and receptacle on the inside connecting the two with romex. Parts cost will be much less.
Thanks, good advice... I'm going to try an l5-30p to l14-30r cable. I appreciate your input.
Non inverter gas generators this size use around .4-.8 gph under load. Or $$1.50 to $3 per hour for gas.
$20 tank over 9 hours is $2.2 per hour.
Obviously inverter generators will be way more efficient, but propane and gas non inverter generators cost similar. Nice thing is can pickup free propane tanks and fill them up and use them years later. Gas will go bad if you don't cycle it every few months. or you can add a quick connect into your house tank or pickup a 100lb tank and get 4 days constant power or about a week running it 12 hours a day to keep your food cold enough and power when you need it.
As pointed out propane tanks (used) can be had for free or around $5-$10. So, I have 8 of them not counting the one in my grill.
Back around 15 years ago we were having outages that lasted up to 2 days. I bought a Coleman power mate 6500/5500w raw power generator for $250 new. We haven't had an outage lasting more than an hour since 😕.
So up to now I have just used one of my inverters for tailgating and I run all the generators under load every 6 months with oil changes just for preventive maintenance.
But I need to be prepared so I think the combination of the Coleman, 3 2200w inverters, 4 6gallon gas cans (2 are ethanol free) should get me through most anything, and the propane generator is for when I run out of gas ⛽️ and need to refill the gas cans. I have to refresh the ethanol gas cans every 6 months or so and I refresh the ethanol free cans every year by pouring into my car.
I'm guessing the propane power joe will be more or less useless in our super cold winter season.
I also have 5 portable propane heaters and 12 refillable 1# propane tanks, an 11# tank and a 5# tank.
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This isn't great deal all things considered. It's "a deal". You are basically saying its "good" for the price. This is a 2.5 out of 5 at best.
Your review is good & detailed & yes there are good use cases for this, but this is NOT a slickdeal
If you want lithium iron with solar panel, Costco in store has Energizer for $799.99. The only down size is about 1000watts.
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An inverter generator this size is at least $500 to $1000 with electric start.
Dirty power is so overrated. Almost every device that has a power brick won't be affected. But it's not going to kill any electronics running it for a weekend while the power is out. worst case if you run your house on it for a month you might burn out an led light bulb or find some things don't work right (furnace control boards, mini splits). but, almost nothing is permanently damaged by dirty power (except LEDs like the one in your microwave display)
What you can do is run a switch into the cabin and with a push of a button your generator turns on (every time) when you want power for lights or an old fridge or whatever.
If you've got a $8000 fridge and home theatre system your worried about being damaged by dirty power, you're not the type to buy the cheapest Genny you can find, buy the inverter.
UPDATE 12/14/23
I followed the steps in the unboxing video step by step: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfIVVdV
Setup couldn't be much easier.
There are only 7 nuts and bolts and assembly was a breeze. Tools needed:
19mm socket and ratchet
17mm wrench or crescent wrench
10mm socket and ratchet
10mm wrench or crescent wrench
wire cutter, knife or scissors to cut the zip tie on the propane hose
crescent wrench for the handle release mechanism
Note that in the video, the front feet are angled UP slightly. The 2 feet are NOT THE SAME. One is for the left side and the other the right side. You need to put the correct one on the correct side as they are not marked.
Start charging the battery before you start assembly and the battery will be ready when you are done. The battery has 3 LEDs indicating charge level with a button on the battery to display the battery's charge level.
The 24v battery is a GREAT IDEA and differentiates this generator from others that require a trickle charger or a jump starter on a typical 12v AGM battery. This battery can be charged in your house with the included battery and charger and be ready to start the generator when you need it. This is a huge advantage.
INCLUDED $180 worth of accessories (plus free shipping $70):
Propane Generator unit $118
Propane Hose, $20 https://snowjoe.com/products/sun-...-generator
Cover, $40 https://snowjoe.com/products/sun-...4500-watts
Extension Cord, $50 https://snowjoe.com/products/sun-...ty-25-foot
Dipstick, $20 https://snowjoe.com/products/sun-...-sjg4100lp (NOTE: these are only $10 on Amazon)
Battery & Charger $50 https://www.amazon.com/Snow-Joe-2...36&sr=8-16
Included 2.0-Ah lithium-ion battery starts unit up to 400x on a single charge
4100 Starting Watts/3300 Running Watts of power to run appliances for up to 9hrs... for a dual-fuel generator this equates to 5125 Starting Watts /4125 Running Watts on propane (~20% power loss on propane)
Integrated control panel w/ multiple outlets for devices, appliances, RVs & more
Propane hose siphons fuel from the tank (tank not included) for cleaner energy
TIPS:
1) the box is big and heavy. I tipped the box onto a heavy duty dolly to move it around. It's over 115# so be prepared for that. Slide the box off the dolly onto a piece of cardboard or moving blanket to protect it. Cut open the box from the bottom, lay the box down and simply lift the box up revealing the contents. Navigating the box was the hardest part of the assembly process.
2) the two front feet have a slight angle to them... follow the video and install with them angled UP
3) the hubcaps snapped in place easily on the left wheel, but not on the right, so I opted to just leave them off. I think they are ugly and just get in the way should I need to access the wheels. The generator looks better from the side without them.
4) I plan on using a 25' 30a Southwire generator cord https://www.lowes.com/pd/Southwir...1002
5) Add oil ... the instructions say 10w30 or 10w40. It gets real cold here this time of year, so I put in 10w30. In summer I'll go with a heavier weight.
6) When a cumulative run time of 20 hours has been reached, replace the engine lubrication. After the first time of replacing lubricant, replace the lubricant every 100 hours.
When a cumulative time of 50 hours is reached, clean the air filter.
When a cumulative time of 100 hours is reached, clean the spark plug.
7) I didn't measure but it looked to me like it took about 3/4 quart of oil. It ships without oil.
8) I ran it for about 1/2 hour with a light load on it. I'll run a breakin with 2 x 1500w heaters soon and then change the oil again.
9) I installed the magnetic dipstick. I use these on all my generators except the Coleman PM0525202.03 which doesn't have one available.
CONS:
1) Weight, as mentioned above, I won't be lifting this into my SUV like the small inverters
2) Noise, @ 70db it's about 10-12db louder than my inverters, but not as loud as my 6250w/5500w Coleman @ around 90db
3) Digital display–The display shows the amount of time the generator has run since being started. It will automatically reset when reached the Max. number it can show. My Westinghouse inverter shows fuel level, watts, etc. This display is a real let-down by comparison, but it's better than nothing.
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BTUs are a moot point; the generator is rated based on running on propane, so you'll get the 3300W running on propane.
Anymore education need please feel free to reply.
Warranty requires that "x"w-30 be used whenever the ambient air temperature is below 72F otherwise engine wear is greatly increased during cold start. The safest bet is to use 5w-30 full synthetic after break-in because it is recommended from below freezing to 100 F+ If one installs "x"w-40 mid-summer then chances are that they will forget to change it when cold start temp falls below 72F. .
If you live in Edinburg TX in the winter - then no. If you live in International Falls, MN, then heck yes.
Every thing is more difficult to run when it gets cold enough. The thing is - what constitutes being cold? (and for how long?)
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Warranty requires that "x"w-30 be used whenever the ambient air temperature is below 72F otherwise engine wear is greatly increased during cold start. The safest bet is to use 5w-30 full synthetic after break-in because it is recommended from below freezing to 100 F+ If one installs "x"w-40 mid-summer then chances are that they will forget to change it when cold start temp falls below 72F. .
BTW, your project list includes an L14-30 twist lock generator cord which will not fit the outlet on the generator which is L5-30R. The Reliance house inlet which you list is also L14-30. One of my points is that this is not a back-up generator. You can use it with your project but you'll want an L5-30 house inlet with an L5-30 generator cord. Just use a standard work box and receptacle on the inside connecting the two with romex. Parts cost will be much less.
$20 tank over 9 hours is $2.2 per hour.
Obviously inverter generators will be way more efficient, but propane and gas non inverter generators cost similar. Nice thing is can pickup free propane tanks and fill them up and use them years later. Gas will go bad if you don't cycle it every few months. or you can add a quick connect into your house tank or pickup a 100lb tank and get 4 days constant power or about a week running it 12 hours a day to keep your food cold enough and power when you need it.
Back around 15 years ago we were having outages that lasted up to 2 days. I bought a Coleman power mate 6500/5500w raw power generator for $250 new. We haven't had an outage lasting more than an hour since 😕.
So up to now I have just used one of my inverters for tailgating and I run all the generators under load every 6 months with oil changes just for preventive maintenance.
But I need to be prepared so I think the combination of the Coleman, 3 2200w inverters, 4 6gallon gas cans (2 are ethanol free) should get me through most anything, and the propane generator is for when I run out of gas ⛽️ and need to refill the gas cans. I have to refresh the ethanol gas cans every 6 months or so and I refresh the ethanol free cans every year by pouring into my car.
I'm guessing the propane power joe will be more or less useless in our super cold winter season.
I also have 5 portable propane heaters and 12 refillable 1# propane tanks, an 11# tank and a 5# tank.
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Your review is good & detailed & yes there are good use cases for this, but this is NOT a slickdeal
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