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Honeywell Home RTH6580WF Wi-Fi 7-Day Programmable Thermostat - Amazon Warehouse - Good used

In the last two weeks I bought three of these. I tried one first and it was really good so I standardized our house on them. The price has fluctuated. At one point it was $16 and I got two of mine for $18. $21.26 (now $26.51) is still a great deal on a good Wifi thermostat. I wanted a wifi thermostat without too much tech (no motion sensors or too much automated guesswork) that was reliable and easy to use. These filled the bill nicely. The app works reliably. The thermostat fit two of my three marks on the wall from the old thermostat with no painting and the old holes in the wall lined up nicely from all three. Both came in the orginal box and had been carefully repacked. Take a picture of the mac address on the back of the thermostat before you click it into place on the mount. You'll need the Mac address. They were easy to get online, I used my 2.4 wifi band as that seems to work better with all my home automation. A C wire is needed for these and I ended up running that to all three because I only had four wires on my older setup.

Look for the Amazon Warehouse listing for the best price. The price fluctuates so YMMV on the actual price.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...3NWQ&psc=1
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Honeywell Home RTH6580WF Wi-Fi 7-Day Programmable Thermostat - Amazon Warehouse - Good used

In the last two weeks I bought three of these. I tried one first and it was really good so I standardized our house on them. The price has fluctuated. At one point it was $16 and I got two of mine for $18. $21.26 (now $26.51) is still a great deal on a good Wifi thermostat. I wanted a wifi thermostat without too much tech (no motion sensors or too much automated guesswork) that was reliable and easy to use. These filled the bill nicely. The app works reliably. The thermostat fit two of my three marks on the wall from the old thermostat with no painting and the old holes in the wall lined up nicely from all three. Both came in the orginal box and had been carefully repacked. Take a picture of the mac address on the back of the thermostat before you click it into place on the mount. You'll need the Mac address. They were easy to get online, I used my 2.4 wifi band as that seems to work better with all my home automation. A C wire is needed for these and I ended up running that to all three because I only had four wires on my older setup.

Look for the Amazon Warehouse listing for the best price. The price fluctuates so YMMV on the actual price.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...3NWQ&psc=1

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Quote from JasonJ6420 :
2.4Ghz is better for home automation devices. Honeywell servers are not needed for the unit to operate. If they were to go down temporarily you just can't make a change your thermostat via your phone.
or permanently?
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Quote from drew2money :
I want one that prevents my wife from changing it!!!

FYI, I have one one OP posted, and it's android app is not very good. You can't set temp offset and many other advanced features.

this is the best one I have tried.
Emerson Sensi Wi-Fi Smart Thermostat for Smart Home, DIY, Works With Alexa, Energy Star Certified, ST55
You can't set offset (swing) but you can limit cycles to achieve a very similar effect. I researched before I bought mine and saw that it was preset with the same offset that honeywell thermostats have been set for decades at 1.5 degree swing. I knew that worked well for most households including mine. BTW, the Sensi you mentioned, I am pretty sure you cannot set Swing on it either. You can on an Ecobee but I am pleased with the cycle adjustment on the Honeywell.
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I disagree, I bought three from Amazon Warehouse and all were good. Many people don't know what a C wire is and if they have one. That's likely a main reason for the returns like this and a lot of other smart thermostats.
... and not having the 2.4 wifi - most isp-supplied routers allow you to patch one in, but it involves a family member driving 40 miles, and they just return it.

edit: and there'll be some folks dismayed that it requires a constant connection to honeywell's servers.
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or permanently?
Yeah, but on what brand is that not the same?
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Many modern digital and WiFi thermostats require a C wire because they need (Constant) power for the functions they provide. This thermostat requires one and does not have a battery substitution.
just to clear up confusion: this has no batteries, no compartment for batteries?
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Yeah, but on what brand is that not the same?
what i am saying is: if you should pi-hole honeywell's servers, you can continue with the phone app just fine?
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what i am saying is: if you should pi-hole honeywell's servers, you can continue with the phone app just fine?
No you can't. But what I am asking is, have you found a brand where you can still have access in that event?

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Quote from JasonJ6420 :
No you can't. But what I am asking is, have you found a brand where you can still have access in that event?
i am only interested in this product.

so if honeywell's servers died, you can still use the phone app temporarily, not permanently? could you expand?
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just to clear up confusion: this has no batteries, no compartment for batteries?
Correct, there is no area for batteries, and no need for them.
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i am only interested in this product.

so if honeywell's servers died, you can still use the phone app temporarily, not permanently? could you expand?
If their servers were to die permanently, you could use this like a regular thermostat, by walking up to it and interacting with it and programming it just like a digital thermostat. Could you use your phone to interact with it, no. It's also one reason for going with a huge name brand that has been established in thermostats for more than 30 years. The likelihood of their servers going offline permanently is going to be pretty low.
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If their servers were to die permanently, you could use this like a regular thermostat, by walking up to it and interacting with it and programming it just like a digital thermostat. Could you use your phone to interact with it, no.
ok i've got you - i misinterpreted what you wrote 12 posts before, and i am frankly surprised and disappointed that these can't run in isolation (no matter what make, as you keep stressing)

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It's also one reason for going with a huge name brand that has been established in thermostats for more than 30 years. The likelihood of their servers going offline permanently is going to be pretty low.
i was thinking more about the infrastructure/isp
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Great for a simple way to see the temperature of an area remotely and not even use as a thermostat to control an HVAC system.
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No thanks Honeywell. I've gone through 3 in 4 years! AC tech from the company that installed my system told me they're the worst. My Honeywell kitchen light died after 2.5 years. I was told 12 weeks to receive a new one. 4.5 months later. Yes! 4.5 months! Half the LED light is now burned out after 4 months! No more Honeywell for me.
Strange I've had one of their 8000 series thermostats now for over 10 years and it controls my heat pump and oil furnace no heat strips here. Has an outdoor sensor so that it turns the heat pump off when it gets below 25˚ and switches to oil heat. Has worked seamlessly all this time. Had a Braeburn with a fossil fuel board before what a piece of junk.
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drew2moneyJan 18, 2024 03:57 PM
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You can't set offset (swing) but you can limit cycles to achieve a very similar effect. I researched before I bought mine and saw that it was preset with the same offset that honeywell thermostats have been set for decades at 1.5 degree swing. I knew that worked well for most households including mine. BTW, the Sensi you mentioned, I am pretty sure you cannot set Swing on it either. You can on an Ecobee but I am pleased with the cycle adjustment on the Honeywell.

You can set the temp offset displayed....which allows you to compensate if a thermastat is not placed in the best location....It also fools the user into believing its cooler or warmer than it really is.

You can also set a max temp. to keep finger happy people who may be experiencing a sudden hot condition from freezing the house.
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Honeywell Home RTH6580WF Wi-Fi 7-Day Programmable Thermostat - Amazon Warehouse - Good used

In the last two weeks I bought three of these. I tried one first and it was really good so I standardized our house on them. The price has fluctuated. At one point it was $16 and I got two of mine for $18. $21.26 (now $26.51) is still a great deal on a good Wifi thermostat. I wanted a wifi thermostat without too much tech (no motion sensors or too much automated guesswork) that was reliable and easy to use. These filled the bill nicely. The app works reliably. The thermostat fit two of my three marks on the wall from the old thermostat with no painting and the old holes in the wall lined up nicely from all three. Both came in the orginal box and had been carefully repacked. Take a picture of the mac address on the back of the thermostat before you click it into place on the mount. You'll need the Mac address. They were easy to get online, I used my 2.4 wifi band as that seems to work better with all my home automation. A C wire is needed for these and I ended up running that to all three because I only had four wires on my older setup.

Look for the Amazon Warehouse listing for the best price. The price fluctuates so YMMV on the actual price.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...3NWQ&psc=1
Thanks, Jason. I have this exact thermostat in the non-WiFi version, connected to my heat pump, and have found it to be confusing but reliable. I've looked at but rejected the "smart" thermostat option, partially because our schedules aren't consistent enough to take full advantage, and partially because of the size of the hole being covered by the back plate (i.e., installing a Next would mean I'd need drywall and painting). My question for you: What does the WiFi functionality add? Just controlling it from the phone? Controlling it when I'm not at home? Notifications?


I am a HUGE fan of Amazon Warehouse, so that's no big deal at all.

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