Amazon has Vessel Ball Grip Ratchet Interchangeable Screwdriver (2200MBH120) on sale for $23.76. Shipping is free w/ Prime or on $35+ orders.
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Features:
Tip interchangeable ratchet screwdriver
Interchangeable with 1/4" Hex shank bits
Powerful Rare-Earth magnet with SUS holder head keeps strong magnet force forward
Functionally enhanced BALL GRIP with 36-teeth gear ratchet for smooth driving by simple repeated finger or wrist movement
Using as a stubby ratchet by popping off the blade and inserting 1/4" Hex shank bits
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Looks like lowest price ever on Amazon according to CCC. Also, if you're interested in some Japanese-made Vessel bits, like the Impact Ball one you see in the OP, there is 31 pc set on sale by 3rd Party Marketplace Seller JB Tool[amazon.com] for as low as I've ever seen them.
Tip Interchangeable Ratchet Screwdriver
Made in Japan
Interchangeable with 1/4" Hex shank bits
Powerful Rare-Earth magnet with SUS holder head keeps strong magnet force forward
Functionally enhanced BALL GRIP with 36-teeth gear ratchet for smooth driving by simple repeated finger or wrist movement
Convert to stubby ratchet by popping off the blade and inserting 1/4" Hex shank bits
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JIS is an old standard that got rolled into the new Phillips standard, so modern high quality cross point bits and drivers (built to the new DIN 5260-PH/ISO 8763-1 cross point standard) should fit Japanese screws just fine.
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JIS is essentially just a rumor at this point. I bought the Japan made non-ratcheting version of this a while back, and the bits had the exact same profile as my Whia Phillips drivers, despite the product reviews being full of people talking about how much better the "JIS" bits work on that set. My guess is that it's a mix of placebo effect combined with a lack of experience with modern, high-quality Phillips drivers. Vessel make decent screwdrivers at not-outrageous prices, but if you already have a good quality set you like, there's no need to get something like this hoping for a different bit design.
If you're looking for a driver that interfaces better with certain problematic cross point screw heads, I've actually had the best luck with extremely cheap Chinese drivers. The ones that tend to get thrown in as an accessory with products from Ali Express etc are like gold to me, and are my go to when working on most electronics and other small consumer items these days. The sort of shallow/blunt points tend to fit the screw heads perfectly. My guess is that these are the closest to what is used at most factories where these sort of items are produced.
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02-06-2024 at 06:02 AM.
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probably JIS??
JIS is an old standard that got rolled into the new Phillips standard, so modern high quality cross point bits and drivers (built to the new DIN 5260-PH/ISO 8763-1 cross point standard) should fit Japanese screws just fine.
I have several ratcheting screw drivers (Snap On, LTT, Work Pro, etc), but none that are stubby... so I'll buy one!
Although I do wish it was JIS. I know others here have said JIS is a myth at this point. I have a set of Vessel smaller "precision" drivers (0000/000/00/0) and they haven't stripped any of my Shimano reel screws, whereas various other precision screw drivers have.
If you're looking for a driver that interfaces better with certain problematic cross point screw heads, I've actually had the best luck with extremely cheap Chinese drivers. The ones that tend to get thrown in as an accessory with products from Ali Express etc are like gold to me, and are my go to when working on most electronics and other small consumer items these days. The sort of shallow/blunt points tend to fit the screw heads perfectly. My guess is that these are the closest to what is used at most factories where these sort of items are produced.
Wow, Idk about cheap Chinese Phillips drivers for JIS screws... to each their own, but if you want an actual JIS set, then there is an imported set from Hozan of Japan. If you're familiar with Hozan, they specialize in bicycle tools, kinda like a Japanese Park Tool. Amazon sells (3rd Party) the set I'll link below, a set of 4 JIS Phillips, for $19 w/ free shipping. It is believed the set is actually contracted out to Vessel of Japan for manufacturing, and is not actually manufactured by Hozan (not unlike Park Tool who subs out a number of their tools, as well). I linked an Amazon review, as well, where the guy used them on his older Japanese motorcycles and swears by them. I don't think they're made in Japan, though... Vessel makes a bunch of it's lower priced drivers in Thailand, I believe. My bet is these are made by a Vessel factory in Thailand and branded Hozan and sold as Hozan JIS.
4.0 out of 5 stars The set is smaller than it looks. The biggest driver is at best a medium sized driver.
Reviewed in the United States on December 21, 2022
These drivers are great! I have used them for about 2 weeks now in two old Japanese bikes, one Honda, and one Kawasaki. They fit and hold the screw like a torx bit. Why do they even make Philips drivers? The JIS is so superior. I would not have know if I hadn't tried it. See the picture below of a screw holding the screwdriver on its side. The set is smaller than it looks. The biggest driver is at best a medium sized driver. But other than that they are awesome. Just thought I was getting a big, medium and a small.
JIS is an old standard that got rolled into the new Phillips standard, so modern high quality cross point bits and drivers (built to the new DIN 5260-PH/ISO 8763-1 cross point standard) should fit Japanese screws just fine.
This.
You have to buy old/used stuff to get the JIS bits/screws.
Probably a good idea if you're working on old stuff though.
Wow, Idk about cheap Chinese Phillips drivers for JIS screws...
I was unclear. I mean that the what sent me down this rabbithole years ago was noticing how poorly my quality Phillips screwdrivers worked on Chinese electronics in particular. For modern Japanese products, any modern Phillips or Japanese made cross point driver should work best, as they've essentially evolved and merged together. For older JIS screws, I really don't know, as I don't encounter them much.
But with screws on currently produced products from many manufacturers in China, those drivers tend to struggle. My suspicion is that many of these areas used Japanese tools in the past and derived fasteners and drivers that are JIS-ish, but seem to have become their own non-standard standard. For those products, getting a driver from the same area has been a solution for me, where I can comfortably remove and replace even soft metal screws that would be torn to pieces by poorly fitting whia/vessel bits.
So not directly related to the driver in this deal, just information for other people who may have come across Vessel and JIS for similar reasons, and might be thinking of purchasing one with that in mind.
Edit: some images of my PH1 size drivers to illustrate what I mean, and remind myself that I'm not crazy. The freebie Chinese driver on the left has a flatter, closer to a hard 90 degree angle tip compared to the Wiha on the right (which matches the Vessel in this deal in my experience): https://imgur.com/a/twbYPsC
Wow, Idk about cheap Chinese Phillips drivers for JIS screws... to each their own, but if you want an actual JIS set, then there is an imported set from Hozan of Japan. If you're familiar with Hozan, they specialize in bicycle tools, kinda like a Japanese Park Tool. Amazon sells (3rd Party) the set I'll link below, a set of 4 JIS Phillips, for $19 w/ free shipping. It is believed the set is actually contracted out to Vessel of Japan for manufacturing, and is not actually manufactured by Hozan (not unlike Park Tool who subs out a number of their tools, as well). I linked an Amazon review, as well, where the guy used them on his older Japanese motorcycles and swears by them. I don't think they're made in Japan, though... Vessel makes a bunch of it's lower priced drivers in Thailand, I believe. My bet is these are made by a Vessel factory in Thailand and branded Hozan and sold as Hozan JIS.
I just sold mine and 2 other Vessel ratcheting driver on eBay. I liked the quality but the big problem was that I kept accidentally changing the ratcheting direction the opposite way while using them. Not just once or twice.. every time I used it. They were unusable for me. Unless you have smaller size hands, this is most likely going to happen.
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02-06-2024 at 07:38 AM.
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JIS is an old standard that got rolled into the new Phillips standard, so modern high quality cross point bits and drivers (built to the new DIN 5260-PH/ISO 8763-1 cross point standard) should fit Japanese screws just fine.
This again. I do a lot of JIS, and the newest Vessels are DIN standard and they work great. I don't have a ratcheting driver so I can't speak to this product, mine are all fixed. My Vessels have been the bees' knees. FWIW, I don't believe there has really been a true JIS standard product since the early 2000s. Here's a helpful link :
The Hozan drivers don't say JIS on them and the Hozan website[hozan.co.jp] just calls them Phillips.
Well, I give you props for finding an article on that specific Hozan set of Phillips drivers sold as "JIS" drivers. I do agree with you on the modern Phillips screws... I don't believe any manufacturer is making JIS-specific screws, today (at least in any wide production products). You might be able to purchase JIS-specific custom screws somewhere, but doubt that any large production manufacturer is using them, anymore.
JIS standard screws did exist in the past, specifically from Japanese-made products. That said, here's my critique on that article you linked. While it was a longer, detailed article, what I did not see the author mention is that he actually took the Hozan set and use it on old JIS screws to see if there was any perceptible difference from a modern Wiha or Wera (high standard European) Phillips driver. I didn't see the author do the type of testing (even a small portion of it) that you'd see on a Project Farm review, for ex.
The article does mention that the Hozan (likely made by Vessel) drivers did have a narrower shaft and that could have an effect... but, again, I didn's see the author mention any real world tests. So, I have to wonder, are these Hozan drivers truly being falsely advertised as JIS drivers, or, is there really some truth that they work well on older JIS screws. The anecdotal reviews I saw on Amazon did seem to suggest they worked great on older JIS screws... real JIS screws. I do agree that many people, incorrectly, call screws in a modern-day Honda, Toyota, Nissan "JIS" Phillips screws... but there are older, classic motorcycles and (cars?) that used screws made to the JIS standard.
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If you're looking for a driver that interfaces better with certain problematic cross point screw heads, I've actually had the best luck with extremely cheap Chinese drivers. The ones that tend to get thrown in as an accessory with products from Ali Express etc are like gold to me, and are my go to when working on most electronics and other small consumer items these days. The sort of shallow/blunt points tend to fit the screw heads perfectly. My guess is that these are the closest to what is used at most factories where these sort of items are produced.
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I have several ratcheting screw drivers (Snap On, LTT, Work Pro, etc), but none that are stubby... so I'll buy one!
Although I do wish it was JIS. I know others here have said JIS is a myth at this point. I have a set of Vessel smaller "precision" drivers (0000/000/00/0) and they haven't stripped any of my Shimano reel screws, whereas various other precision screw drivers have.
https://www.amazon.com/Hozan-JIS-4-JIS-Screwdriver-3rd/dp/B00A7WAHTU/ref=sr_1_2?crid=240MKQ315G7LM&k... [amazon.com]
Reviewed in the United States on December 21, 2022
These drivers are great! I have used them for about 2 weeks now in two old Japanese bikes, one Honda, and one Kawasaki. They fit and hold the screw like a torx bit. Why do they even make Philips drivers? The JIS is so superior. I would not have know if I hadn't tried it. See the picture below of a screw holding the screwdriver on its side. The set is smaller than it looks. The biggest driver is at best a medium sized driver. But other than that they are awesome. Just thought I was getting a big, medium and a small.
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You have to buy old/used stuff to get the JIS bits/screws.
Probably a good idea if you're working on old stuff though.
But with screws on currently produced products from many manufacturers in China, those drivers tend to struggle. My suspicion is that many of these areas used Japanese tools in the past and derived fasteners and drivers that are JIS-ish, but seem to have become their own non-standard standard. For those products, getting a driver from the same area has been a solution for me, where I can comfortably remove and replace even soft metal screws that would be torn to pieces by poorly fitting whia/vessel bits.
So not directly related to the driver in this deal, just information for other people who may have come across Vessel and JIS for similar reasons, and might be thinking of purchasing one with that in mind.
Edit: some images of my PH1 size drivers to illustrate what I mean, and remind myself that I'm not crazy. The freebie Chinese driver on the left has a flatter, closer to a hard 90 degree angle tip compared to the Wiha on the right (which matches the Vessel in this deal in my experience): https://imgur.com/a/twbYPsC
https://www.amazon.com/Hozan-JIS-4-JIS-Screwdriver-3rd/dp/B00A7WAHTU/ref=sr_1_2?crid=240MKQ315G7LM&k... [amazon.com]
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"we have not found a true JIS screwdriver for sale anywhere"
JIS standard screws did exist in the past, specifically from Japanese-made products. That said, here's my critique on that article you linked. While it was a longer, detailed article, what I did not see the author mention is that he actually took the Hozan set and use it on old JIS screws to see if there was any perceptible difference from a modern Wiha or Wera (high standard European) Phillips driver. I didn't see the author do the type of testing (even a small portion of it) that you'd see on a Project Farm review, for ex.
The article does mention that the Hozan (likely made by Vessel) drivers did have a narrower shaft and that could have an effect... but, again, I didn's see the author mention any real world tests. So, I have to wonder, are these Hozan drivers truly being falsely advertised as JIS drivers, or, is there really some truth that they work well on older JIS screws. The anecdotal reviews I saw on Amazon did seem to suggest they worked great on older JIS screws... real JIS screws. I do agree that many people, incorrectly, call screws in a modern-day Honda, Toyota, Nissan "JIS" Phillips screws... but there are older, classic motorcycles and (cars?) that used screws made to the JIS standard.
Do you agree or no?