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Then you know Pinarello is a well regarded maker!
If that's the case maybe showing people example(s) where one can spend a lot less for less weight would be helpful?
Don't know about anyone else but boat anchor paints a pretty awful picture!
I love bike deal discussions. I don't know anything about bikes so I end up getting a lot of previously unknown information. Also, next to oil threads (and a recent thread about SS flasks which turned way more contentious than than it should have) these threads produce some of the most interesting discussions.
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3k+ road bike promoted mercilessly on "slickdeals" website as a slick deal! The Gods must be crazy!
Bike is a mix. Good sounding, Italian brand name (but probably made mostly in Taiwan), Advanced features that have little to do with speed, like electronic shifting and disc brakes, surprisingly heavy for 3k+ CF bike.
The show stopper is the wheelset, cheap (~300), very cheap for 3k+ bike. I would rather have no disc brakes and mechanical shifting and top notch wheelset. For that reason, definitely PASS.
This actually is a plus if you are really picky. I have upgraded the wheels on all bikes but the first quite old one I bought with my particular choices. Reliability for the weight can be very tough compromises. I appreciate that they made the choice of disk as I would have wanted (not in the market) without spending my money on wheels I would have to resell anyway.
ultegra down to 105 for the price of getting di2 is how I look at the groupset compromise, another excellent choice given how good todays 105 is ... and how much I value di2, the speed, so much nicer uphill, so nice not fiddling with derauleur adjustments.
Sir, you might be confused, please read again. There is no mention of "used" in the post you refer to.
I think I WAS helpful providing my unbiased POV, arguments and even links. I am an avid rider and reasonably knowledgeable about bikes specs and prices, though my personal interest in bikes cuts off around 1.5k where I still see value and not social status symbol, or compensation for something unrelated to road cycling.
If you don't agree with my POV please provide your own argumentation, that would BE helpful.
I threw in "used" in there because you responded to someone asking about a "new" bicycle with a used one, not the same thing.
As an avid cyclist, you should know that your "unbiased POV" isn't "helpful" at all to anyone let alone whether this is a slickdeal for anyone or not.
As an avid rider with reasonably knowledgeable about bikes specs and prices.
It would be much more helpful to offer a comparable bike "link(s)" at this price and let others determine whether it's a good deal to them, not an avid cyclist on SD imo!
I don't know of any bike in this price range sold in the US that's A LOT less weight, at least not without buying a frameset and then building it yourself if you already have components you can transfer. Maybe a pound or so max, but that's not going to really matter that much if you're just an average cyclist.
A hardcore cyclist or someone looking to ride with pro riders is going to need to spend at least 3x that amount to get the top spec bikes that are in the 6-7kg range.
I used to be always looking for the lightest components but I'm a 200+ lb rider. I got to accept that instead of spending so much shaving a couple lbs off my bike, I can just spend less on junk food and lose double digit lbs. 🤣
So I'm still fat. But I have money to spare elsewhere 🤣.
Seriously though, bodyweight is a very big factor on the overall power-to-weight ratio. If you are already 2% body fat rider and have nowhere else to turn to for performance gain then go for the best of the best components. At that point though, you'd probably already be a pro and not have to pay for your bikes anymore.
All this banter about the weight, but high performance cycling has always been more about aerodynamics and that's where Pinarello has focused. I haven't seen a thorough review, but the F5 has the same frame design as the Dogma F, it's just made with a heavier Carbon Fiber weave.
This is a really good deal IMHO if you are looking for a race bike. I paid a few hundred dollars less for a Motobecane CF Gravel Bike with SRAM AXS a couple years ago, but it does look like BikesDirect prices have dropped backed to reality so a comparable unbranded bike should be around $1,000 less now.
So the question comes down to whether you buy an Italian branded Taiwanese bike for $3500 or buy a similar generic Taiwanese bike for $1-2000 less. I think if you genuinely want to get into road racing, this is a better bike as Pinarello is more likely to have done the aerodynamics research to shave off some wattage vs. the generic bikes. For me the branding is a downside as I live in an area where I don't want my bike screaming "take me, I'm expensive", I definitely wouldn't take this on the train like I do with my Motobecane.
This is not a bad deal. To get a truly great deal, go to your local bike shop and look for last year model bike, they will discount those deeply to make room for new model, even throw in a bike fit.
19 vs. 16 lbs. I suppose it matters where the weight is, but use that as motivation to shed some body weight. Carry less water?
Funny you said this. I used to race in triathlons, and rode in various centuries over a couple of decades. My lightest road bike, which I built up with a carbon fiber frame and fork bought used off eBay, with a new Ultegra group set, some nice light wheels and other nice closeout parts from Nashbar, weighed a whopping 19 lbs. And that was before clip-on aero-bars for triathalons.
Each spring I'd race in a sprint triathlon held at a YMCA in my town. A 300m pool swim, 25K (15.5m) hilly bike on roads, and a 5K run on a paved path.
I'd rack my bike and look around at a wide assortment of everything from mountain bikes to full-carbon Tri bikes.
Quite often these 18lbs or less Tri bikes were already racked up with not one, but TWO full water bottles for the race! Again 15.5mi round trip! Lol!
As a slow swimmer, my start time would lag theirs, so their bikes were typically gone before I got to mine. But biking was my thing, and I passed most all of them, noticing while racking my bike to start the run all the still empty spots. Let's hope they stayed properly hydrated!
Most of them probably passed by me on the 5K run, I admit. A few even called out "ding ding" doing so, as payback, which I liked!
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It's electronic shifting with hydraulic brakes. Yeah sure the wheels may be a bit wobbly. But most of the stuff is plug and play. Your danger would be over screwing the bolts to where you crack the carbon
true, you should use a bicycle torque wrench for carbon.
um, why does someone down vote your remark? maybe they think 3 grand is cheap enuf to crack.......like 'oh well'. wise up please. your welcome.
I was looking for something lighter at or around the same price. I couldn't find anything decent in the past 2 months. What I like about this bike:
1. Carbon fiber be it a lower grade.
2. Internal cable routing
3. Electrical shifter. I would prefer the SRAM.
4. Hydraulic disc breaks.
5. Less than 20lbs
6. Below $4,000
I would love to have carbon wheels, but nothing in this price range with the above requirements. Closes is the Cervelo Caledonia Rival AXS w/ Carbon wheels. However, that doesn't have internal cable routing and a bit heavier for $4000.
I would appreciate it if you have any recommendation. I can still cancel my order.
Not really. Almost everyone in this thread is in the same page, except that one guy who used to race years ago and doesn't know what an electronic drivetrain is worth. And I guess that one weirdo whining about disc brakes (which are objectively much better at stopping in the rain, regardless of your "technique").
I guarantee this is not true. Anyone can tell the difference between electronic shifting and mechanical. It might not be worth the cost to you, but it's very obvious.
I'll take your word for it. Riding any bike around here is taking your life into your own hands. And besides, no one in their right mind would lend me their $5000 bike to ride.
I bet you'd be able to tell right away. I come from a long haitus from any type of cycling, so seeing new carbon bikes with 105 going for $3250 on sale blows my mind.
It's better than the $2k pricepoint is fitted with Tiagra/Sora components. Now that one amazes me more.
I would agree the same on Shimano 105. But this is 105 di2 which of course would be priced $300-500 more than it's mechanical version. I would prefer it over Sram as the battery on the shifters have no way to be charged. You just have to have CR2032's lying around, which are usually the most annoying to find in a pinch.
It's better than the $2k pricepoint is fitted with Tiagra/Sora components. Now that one amazes me more.
I would agree the same on Shimano 105. But this is 105 di2 which of course would be priced $300-500 more than it's mechanical version. I would prefer it over Sram as the battery on the shifters have no way to be charged. You just have to have CR2032's lying around, which are usually the most annoying to find in a pinch.
That's a good point about 105 being di2. It does add some $$$, which I overlooked. I actually can't believe they adopted that technology down to the 105 level of components.
This is a great deal for a Pinarello Di2, but for anyone considering this, just know this is a racing bike and thus has an aggressive geometry, and if you are not flexible enough and not used to riding in an aggressive posture, it could end up being uncomfortable (and sometimes painful, especially on your lower back). I have a pinarello with a similar geometry that I had to tweak quite a bit to get comfortable on, mainly because I ride recreationally and am not built for a racing bike
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If that's the case maybe showing people example(s) where one can spend a lot less for less weight would be helpful?
Don't know about anyone else but boat anchor paints a pretty awful picture!
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Bike is a mix. Good sounding, Italian brand name (but probably made mostly in Taiwan), Advanced features that have little to do with speed, like electronic shifting and disc brakes, surprisingly heavy for 3k+ CF bike.
The show stopper is the wheelset, cheap (~300), very cheap for 3k+ bike. I would rather have no disc brakes and mechanical shifting and top notch wheelset. For that reason, definitely PASS.
https://playtristore.com/products...b-wheelset [playtristore.com]
https://www.merlincycles.com/en-u...12596.html [merlincycles.com]
ultegra down to 105 for the price of getting di2 is how I look at the groupset compromise, another excellent choice given how good todays 105 is ... and how much I value di2, the speed, so much nicer uphill, so nice not fiddling with derauleur adjustments.
I think I WAS helpful providing my unbiased POV, arguments and even links. I am an avid rider and reasonably knowledgeable about bikes specs and prices, though my personal interest in bikes cuts off around 1.5k where I still see value and not social status symbol, or compensation for something unrelated to road cycling.
If you don't agree with my POV please provide your own argumentation, that would BE helpful.
As an avid cyclist, you should know that your "unbiased POV" isn't "helpful" at all to anyone let alone whether this is a slickdeal for anyone or not.
As an avid rider with reasonably knowledgeable about bikes specs and prices.
It would be much more helpful to offer a comparable bike "link(s)" at this price and let others determine whether it's a good deal to them, not an avid cyclist on SD imo!
A hardcore cyclist or someone looking to ride with pro riders is going to need to spend at least 3x that amount to get the top spec bikes that are in the 6-7kg range.
So I'm still fat. But I have money to spare elsewhere 🤣.
Seriously though, bodyweight is a very big factor on the overall power-to-weight ratio. If you are already 2% body fat rider and have nowhere else to turn to for performance gain then go for the best of the best components. At that point though, you'd probably already be a pro and not have to pay for your bikes anymore.
This is a really good deal IMHO if you are looking for a race bike. I paid a few hundred dollars less for a Motobecane CF Gravel Bike with SRAM AXS a couple years ago, but it does look like BikesDirect prices have dropped backed to reality so a comparable unbranded bike should be around $1,000 less now.
So the question comes down to whether you buy an Italian branded Taiwanese bike for $3500 or buy a similar generic Taiwanese bike for $1-2000 less. I think if you genuinely want to get into road racing, this is a better bike as Pinarello is more likely to have done the aerodynamics research to shave off some wattage vs. the generic bikes. For me the branding is a downside as I live in an area where I don't want my bike screaming "take me, I'm expensive", I definitely wouldn't take this on the train like I do with my Motobecane.
Each spring I'd race in a sprint triathlon held at a YMCA in my town. A 300m pool swim, 25K (15.5m) hilly bike on roads, and a 5K run on a paved path.
I'd rack my bike and look around at a wide assortment of everything from mountain bikes to full-carbon Tri bikes.
Quite often these 18lbs or less Tri bikes were already racked up with not one, but TWO full water bottles for the race! Again 15.5mi round trip! Lol!
As a slow swimmer, my start time would lag theirs, so their bikes were typically gone before I got to mine. But biking was my thing, and I passed most all of them, noticing while racking my bike to start the run all the still empty spots. Let's hope they stayed properly hydrated!
Most of them probably passed by me on the 5K run, I admit. A few even called out "ding ding" doing so, as payback, which I liked!
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um, why does someone down vote your remark? maybe they think 3 grand is cheap enuf to crack.......like 'oh well'. wise up please. your welcome.
1. Carbon fiber be it a lower grade.
2. Internal cable routing
3. Electrical shifter. I would prefer the SRAM.
4. Hydraulic disc breaks.
5. Less than 20lbs
6. Below $4,000
I would love to have carbon wheels, but nothing in this price range with the above requirements. Closes is the Cervelo Caledonia Rival AXS w/ Carbon wheels. However, that doesn't have internal cable routing and a bit heavier for $4000.
I would appreciate it if you have any recommendation. I can still cancel my order.
Thank you.
I guarantee this is not true. Anyone can tell the difference between electronic shifting and mechanical. It might not be worth the cost to you, but it's very obvious.
I would agree the same on Shimano 105. But this is 105 di2 which of course would be priced $300-500 more than it's mechanical version. I would prefer it over Sram as the battery on the shifters have no way to be charged. You just have to have CR2032's lying around, which are usually the most annoying to find in a pinch.
I would agree the same on Shimano 105. But this is 105 di2 which of course would be priced $300-500 more than it's mechanical version. I would prefer it over Sram as the battery on the shifters have no way to be charged. You just have to have CR2032's lying around, which are usually the most annoying to find in a pinch.
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