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expiredcaldog101 posted Mar 17, 2024 11:14 AM

Costco Members: Ecoflow Delta Pro Ultra Whole-Home Power 12kWh Solution

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$7,000

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: Ecoflow Delta Pro Ultra Whole-Home Power Solution for $6999.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks to community member caldog101 for sharing this deal.

Includes:
  • EcoFlow DELTA Pro Ultra Inverter
  • 2x EcoFlow DELTA Pro Ultra Battery
  • EcoFlow DELTA Pro Ultra Trolley
Features:
  • Scalable 12kWh solution provides up to a week of essential power supply
  • Exceptional 7200W output powers most household appliances at 120V or 240V
  • Super-fast charge up to 8800W by combining solar and AC
  • Online UPS ensures 0-ms transfer time, offering constant protection for sensitive devices
  • Long-lasting 10-year LFP battery for reliable performance

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: Ecoflow Delta Pro Ultra Whole-Home Power Solution for $6999.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks to community member caldog101 for sharing this deal.

Includes:
  • EcoFlow DELTA Pro Ultra Inverter
  • 2x EcoFlow DELTA Pro Ultra Battery
  • EcoFlow DELTA Pro Ultra Trolley
Features:
  • Scalable 12kWh solution provides up to a week of essential power supply
  • Exceptional 7200W output powers most household appliances at 120V or 240V
  • Super-fast charge up to 8800W by combining solar and AC
  • Online UPS ensures 0-ms transfer time, offering constant protection for sensitive devices
  • Long-lasting 10-year LFP battery for reliable performance

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Specboy
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Batteries won't need to be replaced in 5-10 years. Lithium iron phosphate batteries are good for 10 years of full discharge every single day.... And at that 10-year point, they still have 80% of their capacity left. So if you ran this every other day to near empty, and recharged to full, you'd get 20 years out of this battery and still have 80%.
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The price of batteries is dropping about 5% every couple of months. If you're going to spend this much on a battery, much better to get solar first. You can DIY a nice solar system with portable generator back up for the same price and still get the 30% rebate. Unless something happens, the price of these will keep going lower and lower. Better to wait
kaiblu
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Whole house generators are roughly $10-20k installed. They'll run for much longer. They will be louder.

This one qualifies for a 30% tax credit and will last 10 years

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Mar 18, 2024 07:14 PM
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CyanCorn8418Mar 18, 2024 07:14 PM
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Quote from bucdan :
Honestly, just enough to power the fridge for a week and maybe internet essentials, assuming the internet company still has power running through their lines as well. With a couple portable 400w solar panels, you'll be good imo.

Where you are, 20c per kwh is a great price. It doesn't make sense for you. But for people that are getting screwed 3 times over at 40c per kwh and high price of gas, it becomes much more feasible.
that's right, you have to sit and do the math for your situation to figure out how worthwhile any of these things would be

in my case it's obviously not really worth it but for others it could be something that makes sense, especially if you are unfortunate enough to not have any other options and are getting ripped off by utilities.

I was trying to emphasize how these power companies make it somewhat annoying to figure out you cost per kwh so you're better off just taking some bills and taking the final cost and your total kwh usage to figure things out
Mar 18, 2024 07:34 PM
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Dr. JMar 18, 2024 07:34 PM
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Quote from teaberry :
The reality is 90% of ppl here on SD isn't going to pour their own concrete pad and have a couple of buddies to haul that heavy unit and do the "running wires from A to B". Depending on your home situation and where the gas line is located the install can be complex (or simpler).

I had a home inspection buddy that once told me, if your house burns down and the insurance company "suspect" it is caused by said wiring, and they ask for proof or work done by a bonded professional (like a certified electrician), and you cannot provide that, you could be denied for insurance claim or significantly reduced payout.

I am simply pointing out the pros and cons of both type of backup power. For us in SE Texas, biggest need for power is from hurricane, floods, and found out 3yrs ago from a winter storm and poor state management (ERCOT). We are usually prepared for hurricanes and floods, but that winter storm got us pretty good.

LOL SD is SLICKDEALS.
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Mar 18, 2024 07:36 PM
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Dr. JMar 18, 2024 07:36 PM
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Quote from The Answer :
I'm in CT. More than half the state is not covered by NG infrastructure. Oil is the primary fuel source for close to half the households in the state.

IF you have solar, I'd run the #'s and consider this.
CT here too. I also have NG and propane (for cooking). I wouldn't recommend a standby generator if all you have is propane, they simply go through way too much unless you have a giant tank. They do make diesel (e.g. HHO/fuel oil, same thing) generators but then you have to worry about the fuel going bad/gelling in the cold.
Mar 18, 2024 07:53 PM
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videotraderMar 18, 2024 07:53 PM
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Quote from Dr. J :
CT here too. I also have NG and propane (for cooking). I wouldn't recommend a standby generator if all you have is propane, they simply go through way too much unless you have a giant tank. They do make diesel (e.g. HHO/fuel oil, same thing) generators but then you have to worry about the fuel going bad/gelling in the cold.
Help me out, if you have nat gas, why have propane as well? Seems redundant…
Mar 18, 2024 08:00 PM
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gotaudiMar 18, 2024 08:00 PM
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Quote from malch :
Here's a thing... this $7,000 product stores 12kWh of energy. At U.S. average residential rates, that's just a tad over $2 worth of electricity.

It's like storing your rice in solid gold containers.
A resource is valuable based on how easy it is to obtain. If you are diving in the ocean, oxygen is pretty important to that diver and they would pay nearly anything to get it when it runs out. To us on land we wouldn't pay anything for oxygen because air is all around us.

Electricity is the same, if it goes out and you have an important thing that requires it, then you will pay a lot to have it available. The secondary benefits are you get to offset quite a lot of peak on demand pricing from a utility or utilize any excessive solar you produced.
Mar 18, 2024 08:13 PM
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Dr. JMar 18, 2024 08:13 PM
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Quote from videotrader :
Help me out, if you have nat gas, why have propane as well? Seems redundant…
Yeah I know. NG takes care of boiler/HW and a fireplace. Propane is for cooking and another fireplace. We are 3rd owners, I am very sure the place used to be on HHO for heating but at one point NG was brought into neighborhood and the prior owners put on an addition so they tied into NG and installed an NG boiler.
Mar 18, 2024 08:13 PM
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AceStarflyerMar 18, 2024 08:13 PM
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Quote from INeverPayRetail :
Would be nice if it was cost effective to have this utilized in a non-solar home for peak hours usage and recharge overnight at lower rates. But, even with the 30% tax credit and living in an area with obscene peak hour rates (@34 cents/kwh here), it probably doesn't pencil out.
This is a fun math problem, though, so let's actually pencil it out. Conclusion at the top - if your utility has time-of-use rates and the on-peak / off-peak split is $0.20/kWh or more, this is probably a good financial decision.

The idea is to draw from this battery during peak hours as set by your utility, then charge this during non-peak hours. Your actual rates matter less than the divergence between on-peak and off-peak. We don't have time-of-use rates in Washington State, but looking atSoCal Edison for an example [sce.com], it looks like the on-peak / super-off-peak rate split is 27 cents / kWh.

If we're paying $8k for the unit + panel, plus 10% sales tax and minus 30% for the tax credit, a fair estimate of our cost is $6400 (this is before any utility incentives that might be available).

If we assume that you use the full 12 kWh capacity of the battery during the on-peak hour, the rate arbitrage that this battery lets us do nets us 12 kWh * $0.27/kWh = $3.24/day of savings.

At $3.24/day of savings, how many days would it take to pay back our $6400 investment?
$6400 / $3.24 = 1975 days = a bit under 5 and a half years.

Let's change the question - how big of an on-peak / off-peak rate split do you need to recoup your $6400 investment?
To save $6400 over 10 years, we'd need to save $6400 / 3650 days = about $1.75/day. To save $1.75 across 12 kWh, we'd need an on-peak / off-peak split of a bit under $0.15/kWh.

There are other factors worth exploring if the decision is an borderline for you - stuff like the installation costs, time value of money, personal benefits of power backup, energy losses for charging and discharging, the potential for your rates to change, possible utility incentives to further decrease the up-front cost, battery degradation, solar... the list goes on. Still, if my utility had time-of-use rates like SoCal Edison or PG&E, I'd pull the trigger on this without much hesitation.

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Mar 18, 2024 08:13 PM
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Jedi2155Mar 18, 2024 08:13 PM
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I have both EcoFlow's (Delta 2 + Delta Max BatterY) and Tesla Powerwalls (x2) / Solar (9.6 kW) AND a Sunpower system with microinverters (3.15 kW). The EcoFlow's are my off-grid solution and portable, but while i'm not out on the go, I have them hooked up to power my water cooler in a micro-grid fashion lol. The SunPower and Tesla solar are combined on the powerwalls and both solar arrays can be used to charge my Powerwalls even in off-grid mode.

While this is a good solution if you want to stay away from Tesla or remain portable, I believe Tesla's powerwalls are better overall in terms of integration and price. This is $7000 at 12 kWh / 7.2 kW power, while Powerwalls prices vary from $5900-9300 per unit (13.5 kWh / 11.5 kW power) depending on what you bundle it with, how many you order, and whether or not you need installation (the top end price includes installation).

If you're planning for whole house integration alone, I'd get a powerwall, if you want more flexibility, this can work, but you'll have to add the cost of installation as well. My other experience is that multiple module systems such as this are really complex to control and my experience with the Delta 2 + Delta Max spare battery made me question how well EcoFlow's software is. Probably the best outside of Tesla and commercial solutions, but definitely not as strong as Tesla' powerwall control. I've experienced several "bugs" on the EcoFow delta app so it makes me wary to spend more on something like the Delta Pro Ultra.
Last edited by Jedi2155 March 18, 2024 at 01:47 PM.
Mar 18, 2024 10:54 PM
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Blue_OakMar 18, 2024 10:54 PM
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Quote from dorkino :
Most batteries are just a ton of batteries linked together. An AA battery is just a single 1.2-1.5V cell. AA is the size specification, which generally translate to capacity.

Link them together in series and you increase the voltage. Link them in parallel you increase the capacity.

A 9V battery is just 6 "AA batteries" in a box linked in series.
Not to quibble, but a standard 9V battery is six AAA cells in series in a metal box, not AA cells.
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g0dM@nMar 18, 2024 11:32 PM
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Quote from bennynihon :
Quote from LoneDude :
Take something out of the ground, light it, and it burns as fuel ..... and that unnatural ... But dig up trace amounts of cobalt, magnesium, toxic lithium, and use toxic chemicals to work with them, and manipulate them using other manmade specialized machinery, to create a battery pack that will pollute the earth when it's buried, rather than biodegrading ...... but the battery is the natural option ... LOL.

Wake up. The matrix has you.
That joke clearly went over your head haha. He was calling the battery "artificial gas" in comparison to a natural gas generator. It wasn't funny, but you completely misunderstood

LoneDude's post was still pretty funny.
Mar 18, 2024 11:48 PM
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lawshopperMar 18, 2024 11:48 PM
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Quote from Blue_Oak :
Not to quibble, but a standard 9V battery is six AAA cells in series in a metal box, not AA cells.
Well if you're going to quibble over details, your correction is wrong too. 9v batteries actually use six LR61 cells, which are smaller than AA and smaller than AAA. In fact, they're also smaller than AAAA.

The good news is you're both correct that 9v batteries use 6 cells of another battery. It's a mini battery pack. All of the batteries being talked about on this thread are battery packs of many small individual batteries put together.
Mar 18, 2024 11:57 PM
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np1050Mar 18, 2024 11:57 PM
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Wish we could repurpose old EVs as a home power source. Used Nissan leafs (leaves?) have a minimum 24kwh battery pack and you can find them for under 5k very easily. Even with some degradation, I'm sure it would provide more power than this home battery. Not to mention you actually have a car on the chances when you want to use it and no one is home.
Mar 18, 2024 11:58 PM
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DM8574Mar 18, 2024 11:58 PM
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12 Kwh is very little for a house. If you are using it for a whole house you will be lucky to get a few hours.
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Mar 18, 2024 11:59 PM
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DM8574Mar 18, 2024 11:59 PM
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Quote from kaiblu :
Whole house generators are roughly $10-20k installed. They'll run for much longer. They will be louder.

This one qualifies for a 30% tax credit and will last 10 years
It will also only last a few hours for a house. if you think that is all you will need it for. might be ok. Otherwise for $5k you can get a 16kw inverter generator. https://factorypure.com/products/...-start-new
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Mar 19, 2024 12:06 AM
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LakupipusMar 19, 2024 12:06 AM
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Quote from MarlboroNjMan :
Maybe it's me but at this stage it may be worth waiting a bit for a proper bidirectional EV charging.
For instance, Lucid already activated bidirectional charging where you can plug another EV into lucid and it charges them. Thats 80-90kw battery and a fun car to drive so a win win.
Thats cool, now all we need to do is get a loan for 70k and we have whole house backup 🤦 ♂️
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