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SABRENT 10 Bay 3.5” SATA Hard Drive Tray Less Docking Station

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Amazon has SABRENT 10 Bay 3.5" SATA Hard Drive Tray Less Docking Station (DS-UCTB) on sale for $398.38 when you apply promo code 200XUCTB during checkout. Shipping is free.

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  • USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-C port supports transfer speeds of up to 10 Gbps
  • 10x SATA 6 Gbit/s 3.5" hard drive tray-less bays
  • Hot-Swappable with 10 independent ON/OFF power switches
  • Two 120mm fans for additional cooling capability
  • Note: This multi-bay station does NOT have built in RAID functionality. However, software RAID configurations are possible

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Update: This popular deal is available again with a new promo code.

Amazon has SABRENT 10 Bay 3.5" SATA Hard Drive Tray Less Docking Station (DS-UCTB) on sale for $398.38 when you apply promo code 200XUCTB during checkout. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Deal Editor iconian for sharing this deal.

About this Item:
  • USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-C port supports transfer speeds of up to 10 Gbps
  • 10x SATA 6 Gbit/s 3.5" hard drive tray-less bays
  • Hot-Swappable with 10 independent ON/OFF power switches
  • Two 120mm fans for additional cooling capability
  • Note: This multi-bay station does NOT have built in RAID functionality. However, software RAID configurations are possible

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RelaxedRose979
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The issue is 10 drives sharing the 10Gbps USB 3.1 gen 2 interface. Hardware RAID is no longer recommended as software can keep up and gives the flexibility in not being paired with a specific controller or losing all of your data.

The Mini PCs we normally see listed max out with 2.5Gbps networking. So this would be able to keep up and saturate the pipe. If you needed more bandwidth, having separate direct SATA connections would be needed, likely with some type of external SAS connection.

10 drives is very large, unless you are going for extremely cheap small drives to fill the array. IMO it's better to use larger drives as each drive consumes power to run. UGreen has a Kickstarter going right now that has some really crazy deals for NASes that are supposed to ship in June. You might be more bang for your buck there.

Also, anyone thinking of using this many drives, Go with at least one parity disk, or even better two. The chance of data loss increases as you move to more and more drives. Not caring about movies on a single 10TB drive... fine. Not caring about 180TB, that's going to be a much larger pain to replace everything.
wherestheanykey
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Be sure to throw it on a UPS.

I was checking what level of support it has from Sabrent (zero, they have really gone downhill with firmware updates) and there's a thread about how it doesn't have automatic power recovery to bring the drives back up after power loss.
iconian
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they are sausages, not hot dogs, get it right!


actually, i am not even sure of the reference? but sabrent is very well known in ssd and pc component business for the last 5-10 years

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Mar 31, 2024 04:30 AM
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JordanJ5883Mar 31, 2024 04:30 AM
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Quote from MuddyBottoms :
I'd like to introduce you to Unraid.
or drive pool
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InstanceNoodleMar 31, 2024 04:31 AM
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Quote from RelaxedRose979 :
UGreen has a Kickstarter going right now that has some really crazy deals for NASes that are supposed to ship in June. You might be more bang for your buck there.
If you are new to das and nas, I do not recommend buying the ugreen nas. It is the best money to hardware currently (8 bays 12th gen intel), but the software is still ?alpha? ?beta?... nothing is working yet. You are buying on a promise.

I dont know enough... I have to research if they are able to see your data. Will the virus hitting the other nas will affect it? Can China look into your stuff? Nothing is finalized as far as I know.

I know that they heavily edit their software at this time. You can not install any other os even if you go into the bios. So if the company dies, your software can not be updated, and the hardware is a paperweight unless you ok will not point it to the net (air gap) or ok with it being hack later on.

Best ready to go is synology 8 bays 1821. It is the newest most bays without the need to be hounded by synology to buy their drives. terramaster and asustor and other ready to go nas has some problem in the past. You can search if they have resolved it or not.
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mr34727Mar 31, 2024 04:41 AM
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Quote from wherestheanykey :
With this many drives, you really want a dedicated controller that can do more than just JBOD to get the best performance.

I can't even imagine how well a software RAID would work on this, so you definitely wouldn't want to use this for anything that requires heavy redundancy.

If you pair it with any of the mini PCs that get listed here and load it up with those refurbished server drives, it would make a pretty killer Plex server.
If you go buy a Synology NAS off the shelf it's going to be software RAID. Most implementations are these days.
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InstanceNoodleMar 31, 2024 04:43 AM
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Quote from mr34727 :
If you go buy a Synology NAS off the shelf it's going to be software RAID. Most implementations are these days.
Software raid is the only way now. Hardware raid is dead or going to be soon. Everyone says to flash the raid card into IT mode for software like unraid and trunas.
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InstanceNoodleMar 31, 2024 04:44 AM
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Can any of you hardware and software guys compare this to the jellyfish work station?

I heard it let people plug into ?usb3? ?usbc? to get 10gbs feed to the array. Is there any way to buy a hub and get 4 computers to access this via usbc?
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snowcrashMar 31, 2024 04:45 AM
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10 drives without any provision for backups is pretty crazy. Some people like to to live dangerously I guess. At least use one or two drives for parity backup using software raid.
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CyanCorn8418Mar 31, 2024 04:47 AM
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1999 you, 2024 you, and 2025 you should all prob just exit the conversation. You clearly have different priorities and goals. It's a good price for a 10-bay enclosure. Your use case and hardware preferences are irrelevant. You're not adding anything to the discussion.
Alright then. I really don't think this device has a good future at all and it's a poor investment.

Do any of you know what an SAS controller is? I'm really struggling to understand why you'd want to lock yourself into a device like this unless you happen to have a ton of 3.5" drives laying around where you'd want to use USB 3.2 exclusively... This thing when loaded is not something you'd want to be moving around much
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Mar 31, 2024 04:50 AM
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InstanceNoodleMar 31, 2024 04:50 AM
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Quote from snowcrash :
10 drives without any provision for backups is pretty crazy. Some people like to to live dangerously I guess. At least use one or two drives for parity backup using software raid.
I did that when I was poor. Just using old leftover drives when omv does not have any form of parity. When they did, I went to parity it once a week.

Linux distro can be re-download.
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Spacey123Mar 31, 2024 05:10 AM
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Oof, this is exactly what I need to expand my NAS, but it defaulting to powered off is a deal killer.
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JordanJ5883Mar 31, 2024 05:23 AM
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Quote from NervousCarpenter758 :
1999 you, 2024 you, and 2025 you should all prob just exit the conversation. You clearly have different priorities and goals. It's a good price for a 10-bay enclosure. Your use case and hardware preferences are irrelevant. You're not adding anything to the discussion.
Exactly. I have the 5 bay, and just bought this. This is incredible with a n100 mini pc for plex. Get hardware transcoding. 10 GB usb 3,2. Use with drive pool or whatever you like for folder duplication or use unraid. Nothing you can get will give you this flexibility and low power and massive storage. I have been using the refurb 20TB seagate enterprise drives for 160 bucks. Pefect for plex and storage. Going to run synology dsm in docker on it and use all the synolgy apps to back up all my families phones and whatever. More powerfull than a synology but comprable on power draw. This will eventually give me 200TB or more and I already have the 5 bay with 100 TB. Biulding two systems is still cheap for backup purposes vs online storage and thats a slow recovery if needed. Also the build quality of these is top notch. The power savings over a server eventually pays for this and the drives too.
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JordanJ5883Mar 31, 2024 05:25 AM
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Quote from Spacey123 :
Oof, this is exactly what I need to expand my NAS, but it defaulting to powered off is a deal killer.
I have mine on a UPS. Solves that problem.
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CyanCorn8418Mar 31, 2024 05:25 AM
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Quote from JordanJ5883 :
Exactly. I have the 5 bay, and just bought this. This is incredible with a n100 mini pc for plex. Get hardware transcoding. 10 GB usb 3,2. Use with drive pool or whatever you like for folder duplication or use unraid. Nothing you can get will give you this flexibility and low power and massive storage. I have been using the refurb 20TB seagate enterprise drives for 160 bucks. Pefect for plex and storage. Going to run synology dsm in docker on it and use all the synolgy apps to back up all my families phones and whatever. More powerfull than a synology but comprable on power draw. This will eventually give me 200TB or more and I already have the 5 bay with 100 TB. Biulding two systems is still cheap for backup purposes vs online storage and thats a slow recovery if needed. Also the build quality of these is top notch. The power savings over a server eventually pays for this and the drives too.
What I'm still trying to wrap my head around is that you still need to attach this to a server.

So whatever you're talking about with power savings vs using a server, please, elaborate that...

I put many more drives inside a cage with an SAS controller and I'm thinking it's effectively the same thing except I had to make the housing and provide the power...

The only difference I'm seeing here is you got to use the USB interface instead. Is that it?
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Quote from Nintendo1474 :
Have you heard of ZFS? Raid where the OS and controller both have full knowledge and control of the file system actually turned out to work pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=...u_Mq8262jl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=...t49nKgCJiR
If you're trying to argue that ZFS over USB is a smart move, you really don't have a clue what you're talking about.
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Quote from MuddyBottoms :
I'd like to introduce you to Unraid.
What does Unraid have to do with this?

This is a DAS. Do your homework.
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cpgeekMar 31, 2024 06:08 AM
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I would NOT want to use usb for this many disks, this sounds like trouble. - also for similar prices, you could go on ebay and find yourself a nice sas hba and proper a 4u or 5u 8/16/24 bay sas jbod that will work WAY more reliably.
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