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Product Name: | SABRENT 10 Bay 3.5” SATA Hard Drive Tray Less Docking Station (USB 3.2 Type C and Type A) (DS-UCTB) |
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The Mini PCs we normally see listed max out with 2.5Gbps networking. So this would be able to keep up and saturate the pipe. If you needed more bandwidth, having separate direct SATA connections would be needed, likely with some type of external SAS connection.
10 drives is very large, unless you are going for extremely cheap small drives to fill the array. IMO it's better to use larger drives as each drive consumes power to run. UGreen has a Kickstarter going right now that has some really crazy deals for NASes that are supposed to ship in June. You might be more bang for your buck there.
Also, anyone thinking of using this many drives, Go with at least one parity disk, or even better two. The chance of data loss increases as you move to more and more drives. Not caring about movies on a single 10TB drive... fine. Not caring about 180TB, that's going to be a much larger pain to replace everything.
I was checking what level of support it has from Sabrent (zero, they have really gone downhill with firmware updates) and there's a thread about how it doesn't have automatic power recovery to bring the drives back up after power loss.
actually, i am not even sure of the reference? but sabrent is very well known in ssd and pc component business for the last 5-10 years
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For one, many of them have at least 4 2.5Gbe Ethernet ports, meaning you can also run OPNsense on them and turn them into a router.
They have 6 SATA ports onboard and at least one PCIe slot if you need more.
Also, some run off a DC barrel jack, meaning you don't need to buy a separate power supply.
As far as cases go, there's a company called Jonsbo that makes ITX cases with hot swap bays built in, which is perfect for these boards.
Thanks for the info.
Wouldn't those NAS boards be fairly limited in running home server docker containers and VMs, as offered by NAS software like Unraid?
As to the Ethernet ports, you can easily and cheaply add those to a normal desktop via PCIe or USB ports; upgrade to 10/25/40/50Gb if you feel like it. Some motherboards include two ports and/or 10Gb Ethernet right on the back panel.
Same for SATA ports; you get 6 on that motherboard(more on others), and you can add more via PCIe.
Also, the motherboard combo I linked has four M.2 SSD slots; use them for cache/OS/VM/Docker drives, or install a Coral AI accelerator in one and use it for visual recognition and alerts in a Frigate home security camera system.
You could also install a GPU to run local AI software like Llama chat or Stable Diffusion image generation.
It just feels like you have a lot more capabilities, performance, and upgradeability with a PC with a normal modern CPU than with a NAS board.
Of course, maybe that's overkill for you, and a power efficient NAS board is perfect for your needs.
But again, thanks for the info; it's great to know the different options for building out a NAS/home server.
Wouldn't those NAS boards be fairly limited in running home server docker containers and VMs, as offered by NAS software like Unraid?
As to the Ethernet ports, you can easily and cheaply add those to a normal desktop via PCIe or USB ports; upgrade to 10/25/40/50Gb if you feel like it. Some motherboards include two ports and/or 10Gb Ethernet right on the back panel.
Same for SATA ports; you get 6 on that motherboard(more on others), and you can add more via PCIe.
Also, the motherboard combo I linked has four M.2 SSD slots; use them for cache/OS/VM/Docker drives, or install a Coral AI accelerator in one and use it for visual recognition and alerts in a Frigate home security camera system.
You could also install a GPU to run local AI software like Llama chat or Stable Diffusion image generation.
It just feels like you have a lot more capabilities, performance, and upgradeability with a PC with a normal modern CPU than with a NAS board.
Of course, maybe that's overkill for you, and a power efficient NAS board is perfect for your needs.
But again, thanks for the info; it's great to know the different options for building out a NAS/home server.
I mean, you can always argue that a full rack would be better than anything consumer grade.
And many do, as demonstrated by r/homelab.
The nice thing about those NAS boards I mentioned is they include a lot of desirables in a minimal package for not a lot of cash. And they tend to consume less power overall.
As far as AI goes, look into OpenVino for stable diffusion. There's also an open B key slot on the system I bought if I wanted to run a Coral card.
But, if you don't have power or space constraints, then of course a server grade motherboard would be the target.
So, you're both wrong, neither sausages nor hot dogs, they're Frankfurters!
I have that old server machine and the dual xeons kill me in electricity, it idles around 200w.
I dont know enough... I have to research if they are able to see your data. Will the virus hitting the other nas will affect it? Can China look into your stuff? Nothing is finalized as far as I know.
I know that they heavily edit their software at this time. You can not install any other os even if you go into the bios. So if the company dies, your software can not be updated, and the hardware is a paperweight unless you ok will not point it to the net (air gap) or ok with it being hack later on.
Best ready to go is synology 8 bays 1821. It is the newest most bays without the need to be hounded by synology to buy their drives. terramaster and asustor and other ready to go nas has some problem in the past. You can search if they have resolved it or not.
Supposedly you can load any OS on it ... Or will be able to?
The 8bay pro also has an i7 unlike the rest of their offerings. Support team confirmed in comments.
You should probably work on separating sentences into paragraphs if these comments threw you off.
Your wall of text is very hard to read.
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Hardware-wise though USB is ABYSMAL for reliable storage as the cheap usb controllers used in stuff like this likes to disconnect randomly and try to reconnect which is hell on redundant storage systems.
hardware raid is pretty much dead now, particularly with the move toward software defined storage. there really isn't appreciable overhead on modern machines for software raid, either classic raid setups like mdraid56 or more modern (significantly better) implementations like zfs. Do things slow down during the occasional scrub (that you can usually run off-hours and have the option of limiting the performance on?)) sure. but that scrub is your bit rot protection that many hardware raid controllers don't bother to implement. then there's the raid write hole to consider that most hardware raid cards simply don't. then there's the matter of because zfs is both raid system as well as file system and it's copy-on-write, recovery from power failures or bad-checksummed-on-write blocks is to simply back up to the previous state and it's ready for retry instead of dumping bad data to the disk leaving it in an inconsistent state... I could write books on experiences on why hardware raid is terrible... modern proper raid with zfs or i suppose btrfs (though I admit my lack of experience with btrfs honestly) is the way to go with single machine storage systems. - if you want a rack of storage though, and you've got proper high speed networking and ssd caching, ceph is sometimes more appropriate (but most people don't run ceph at home either unless it's for something like a small proxmox cluster.
tl;dr: with enough ram for the ARC, and a reasonably modern cpu (like 8th gen intel onward or zen+ onward) there should realistically be very little overhead on a proper zfs setup and doing so with SAS is going to be SIGNIFICANTLY more reliable than usb.
I briefly parsed your replies, but your approach is bordering on thread jacking.
You're incorrect about hardware RAID being dead.
Synology alone would never let that happen.
Dedicating one parity disk for every four data disks and maxing out each bay with a 20TB drive (could even go higher) provides a max of 160TB of data in a single enclosure.
There's a lot of NAS vs. DAS debate in this thread, but it all boils down to your specific needs and use case. For me, I decided to prioritize storage and utilize my existing gaming desktop to handle Plex transcoding vs. pay the premium for a separate NAS with worse specs. If you need something powered on 24/7, then a NAS probably makes more sense.
Dedicating one parity disk for every four data disks and maxing out each bay with a 20TB drive (could even go higher) provides a max of 160TB of data in a single enclosure.
There's a lot of NAS vs. DAS debate in this thread, but it all boils down to your specific needs and use case. For me, I decided to prioritize storage and utilize my existing gaming desktop to handle Plex transcoding vs. pay the premium for a separate NAS with worse specs. If you need something powered on 24/7, then a NAS probably makes more sense.
And nas don't need top end specs. 5 year old pc will work fine.
The problem is mostly with DAS as the interface is a single USB 3.1 port so good luck waiting for days to sync data or do backups.
And nas don't need top end specs. 5 year old pc will work fine.
For me, long term storage expansion with an economic, unlimited cloud backup solution was the priority. With a DAS setup like this, Backblaze Personal gives you unlimited cloud backup for $9/mo (used to be even cheaper). Once you get into cloud backup for a NAS, I couldn't find a truly unlimited option where you weren't paying per TB.
I'm not suggesting this is the right or wrong way to do things, just sharing my own experience in hopes that it helps others.
This is a DAS. Do your homework.
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