Participating Subaru Dealerships [
dealership locator] have
2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Compact SUV (Premium Trim, code PED-11) available to
Lease at
$241/month for
36 months (total $8,676) plus tax and license fee from participating dealerships w/ zero down for qualified buyers. Contact your local dealership(s) to verify if this offer is available in your area.
Thanks to community member
KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
- Note: Offer and inventory availability may vary by location.
Features:
- All-wheel-drive electric crossover
- Seats five and carries 23.8 cubic feet of cargo behind its rear seats.
- Range: 228 miles
- 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds
- 8.3" of ground clearance
- Built on Toyota's e-TGNA global battery-electric vehicle platform
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That's a long "overnight"…
0.25$ to regain 50miles? At 4 miles per kwh, that's 12.5kwh… so 0.25 / 12.5, says you pay ~0.02$/kwh
I'm on a Georgia SmartPower plan where my off peak rate is $ 0.012 per kW (https://www.georgiapowe
Hopefully not a regional deal (I'm in ATL) but it was national at one point I know.
But this Subaru EV is garbage and a complete fail.
Maybe I'd pick it up for $200 month with zero drive offs, and that's if I'm doing 99% local driving.
And today, the $50 visa gc redeeming email arrived at my email.
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They'll fill it out without a test drive.
Damn Avis didn't have any medium size gas car but 15 of this crap.
They'll fill it out without a test drive.
Somewhere around a ratio of 13 (my guess) is where the EV will always outperform the ICE on a $/mile refueling, that would mean (for me) that ICE would need to get more like 50 mpg (not going to happen). The further north you get from ~ 13, the more the EV makes sense because the marginal cost difference per mile driven should make the PBP (in miles) shorter.
Once the discussion passes the "which car is cheaper to drive" bar then you should consider other costs like insurance and maintenance, and finally cost to purchase. For me if the discussion is close at that point, and the PBP reasonable (say less than 50-60k miles or so) then you can think about nuance - which model you like better, what fits your needs better, etc etc - all this is provided that the form factors available in an EV drivetrain are suitable. If you need a real SUV (sorry, the Y and Mach E are not SUV's. "back in the day" we'd call those hatchbacks) or minivan, sorry there aren't really available (Toyota does offer the Sienna in a hybrid configuration)
If you want to buy a car just for the latter (tech, looks, etc who cares about cost) that's fine, but that's also a different starting premise.
In the bigger picture then you can think about price sensitivity - for me, electricity isn't as variable, but always tends to go up if it does change. Gas can be more expensive, yes, but it can also be a lot cheaper. In the past 3 years I've paid from $1.25 - $4.10 for gas. In the same time period I've paid from $0.24/kw up to $0.36 and now $0.28 for electricity. Ironically that price is mostly a function of natural gas prices, since that's where our power comes from.
If you looked at cost per mile first 2 years ago and bought a Tesla Model 3, you'd be burnt by depreciation and price decreases now. The cost of electricity may be less variable, but the cost of EVs is a lot more variable for likely at least another 5+ years. The average vehicle ownership length is 8 years and by year 8, a Tesla Model 3 will likely have depreciated by 50% or $30k. The Corolla I bought about 10 years ago has depreciated about 33-38% or $5.5k.
Yes, they give u a 15k credit to purchase hydrogen... but when that runs out it's going to hurt
quite surprised at so much discussion
for a car/deal that isnt even available
but carry on
And a lot of EV hate here. Anyhow, 4.5 hours through the snow and R2 conditions in the mountains cost me about 70% (assume kWH) to drive 250 miles. Passed two cyber trucks as well.
Assuming a $0.135 kWh cost that would be about 3.57 miles per kilowatt, or $0.037 miles per gallon. Because I've done this run 50+ times, it's about 110 kWh for 500 miles about $0.18 kWh - or about $0.04 a mile.
Assume 500 miles, and getting 25 MPG. That's 20 gallons or $80 if you were getting it at $4/gallon. Savings can be derived at $60 bucks for every 500 miles driven. Costco executive membership saves you a few percentage, and you can buy in places that charge less (putting it into cans and driving it)
Tires are going to wear out for every car. Sorry. But you can measure how much you lose by the tread wear starting at whatever (16/32) and down to even 2/32nd. Tires weigh about 40-50 lbs and that is not all going up in smoke. Larger tires for SUVs will wear about 50-60K as fast as a Tesla can. They also cost about the same (I run three different brands depending on conditions and nothing "Tesla" special but tire rack and 1010 tires). So the false study (yeah, read it) ignores lots of other factors like tail pipe emissions (gallon of gas weighs 6.6 gallons so that's 125 lbs of emissions per 20 gallons - unless you don't consider CO2 nor CO an issue, then you're not an environmentalist)
I've done the same runs on lighter vehicles (R1200GS getting 40 MPG, about the same as a KTM 500 EXC) and you just burn through tires faster though you save on fuel. You can also fly, that's about 130 NM and about the same fuel economy as a SUV, 15 MPG with a IO360 engine.
TL;DR unless you have the need to haul lumber or people, an EV is going to cover a lot of the bases. Otherwise, buy an AWD Sienna or Chrysler T&C so you can put a full sheet of plywood there.
Assuming EVs should be treated like a daily driver, I'll use a corolla as a stand in.
I've also driven pretty much every tesla, with doing long 10+ hour drives in X to draw from personal experience.
Basically for me, ignoring the cost of each vehicle, and looking solely at cost of range;
The X I was going about 250~ miles per fill at a super charger. I think I was going to about 65-75%. Basically when it stops 'fast' charging. I think it was coming out around 25~ bucks each charge. The X has a 100kwatt battery, or about. Assuming I charged at least half of that, since I didnt run down to lower than 10%. Super charging at the time was around 0.40/kwatt. so again it checks out I was paying around 20-23~ per stop.
On a corolla I can generally go about 500~ miles per fill. Gas is like 4.5 for me right now, so that's about ... lets say 40 dollars. Taken the number from above, I am paying the same price on EV at a supercharger vs filling at the pump.
From my personal experience with my high electrical costs (Home charging TOU plan mandatory, 0.45/kwatt avg) Seems like a wash in 'fuel' costs.
Somewhere around a ratio of 13 (my guess) is where the EV will always outperform the ICE on a $/mile refueling, that would mean (for me) that ICE would need to get more like 50 mpg (not going to happen). The further north you get from ~ 13, the more the EV makes sense because the marginal cost difference per mile driven should make the PBP (in miles) shorter.
Once the discussion passes the "which car is cheaper to drive" bar then you should consider other costs like insurance and maintenance, and finally cost to purchase. For me if the discussion is close at that point, and the PBP reasonable (say less than 50-60k miles or so) then you can think about nuance - which model you like better, what fits your needs better, etc etc - all this is provided that the form factors available in an EV drivetrain are suitable. If you need a real SUV (sorry, the Y and Mach E are not SUV's. "back in the day" we'd call those hatchbacks) or minivan, sorry there aren't really available (Toyota does offer the Sienna in a hybrid configuration)
If you want to buy a car just for the latter (tech, looks, etc who cares about cost) that's fine, but that's also a different starting premise.
In the bigger picture then you can think about price sensitivity - for me, electricity isn't as variable, but always tends to go up if it does change. Gas can be more expensive, yes, but it can also be a lot cheaper. In the past 3 years I've paid from $1.25 - $4.10 for gas. In the same time period I've paid from $0.24/kw up to $0.36 and now $0.28 for electricity. Ironically that price is mostly a function of natural gas prices, since that's where our power comes from.
I have solar. Lots of it. That mainly charges my car.
I have solar that entirely charges a fleet of Ford lightning trucks.
I pay nearly 50% of my income in taxes.
I employ several people with well paying jobs.
I should get tax subsidies, I give the government 100's Of thousands of dollars all for them to let me pay them a small amount less later because I did what they said.
Trust me. It's not a good deal.
Cost of electricity 13.5c per kwh. Miles driven in EV 18000. Miles per kwh was an average of 4 seasons of driving ~4.7 miles per kwh. I am using $13 for 470 miles. With gas cost of an average of $4 and a gas sedan giving roughly 24-25 miles per gallon of gas with city driving only, we get $80 of gas for every 480-500 miles of driving. Driving about 1500 miles per month the difference between a Gas ICE sedan vs an EV sedan is about $60 per 500 miles on the low side. Hence, save $180 per month (again on the low side) even without the PV Solar panels. When you add the PV solar to the calculation above I am not even paying those $13 per 500 miles of driving (or $39 per 1500 miles).
Hence, for everyone speculating, contesting and arguing here on EV - if you are on SlickDeals then you are here to save money. The above calculation clearly shows an EV can be the biggest saving in your monthly bills if you use it exclusively to drive in the city and if you exclusively charge at home. BTW- most places the electricity is way more expensive so your savings can easily be over $4000 to $5000 per year easily paying for your Solar panels on the roof within 3-4 years. It is also the greenest way of driving since you are not using the Grid electricity generated via Coal or Natural gas. Instead you use the Sun to charge and drive your EV.
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If you looked at cost per mile first 2 years ago and bought a Tesla Model 3, you'd be burnt by depreciation and price decreases now. The cost of electricity may be less variable, but the cost of EVs is a lot more variable for likely at least another 5+ years. The average vehicle ownership length is 8 years and by year 8, a Tesla Model 3 will likely have depreciated by 50% or $30k. The Corolla I bought about 10 years ago has depreciated about 33-38% or $5.5k.
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