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Subaru Lease Offer: 2023 Subaru Solterra Compact Electric SUV

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Participating Subaru Dealerships [dealership locator] have 2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Compact SUV (Premium Trim, code PED-11) available to Lease at $241/month for 36 months (total $8,676) plus tax and license fee from participating dealerships w/ zero down for qualified buyers. Contact your local dealership(s) to verify if this offer is available in your area.

Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
  • Note: Offer and inventory availability may vary by location.
Features:
  • All-wheel-drive electric crossover
  • Seats five and carries 23.8 cubic feet of cargo behind its rear seats.
  • Range: 228 miles
  • 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds
  • 8.3" of ground clearance
  • Built on Toyota's e-TGNA global battery-electric vehicle platform

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Written by RevOne | Staff
  • About this deal:
    • Offer valid through April 30, 2024.
    • Subject to credit approval, vehicle insurance approval, & vehicle availability. Not all buyers may qualify. Payments may be higher in some states. Net cap cost & monthly payment excludes tax, license, title, registration, insurance, additional options, & retailer charges. Retailer participation may affect actual payment. At lease end, lessee is responsible for vehicle maintenance & repairs not covered by warranty, excessive wear & tear. Lessee pays personal property & ad valorem taxes (where applicable) & insurance. See participating retailer for details.
  • Please see the original post for additional details & give the WIKI and additional forum comments a read for helpful discussion.

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Written by KhalidS8701
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Participating Subaru Dealerships [dealership locator] have 2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Compact SUV (Premium Trim, code PED-11) available to Lease at $241/month for 36 months (total $8,676) plus tax and license fee from participating dealerships w/ zero down for qualified buyers. Contact your local dealership(s) to verify if this offer is available in your area.

Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
  • Note: Offer and inventory availability may vary by location.
Features:
  • All-wheel-drive electric crossover
  • Seats five and carries 23.8 cubic feet of cargo behind its rear seats.
  • Range: 228 miles
  • 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds
  • 8.3" of ground clearance
  • Built on Toyota's e-TGNA global battery-electric vehicle platform

Editor's Notes

Written by RevOne | Staff
  • About this deal:
    • Offer valid through April 30, 2024.
    • Subject to credit approval, vehicle insurance approval, & vehicle availability. Not all buyers may qualify. Payments may be higher in some states. Net cap cost & monthly payment excludes tax, license, title, registration, insurance, additional options, & retailer charges. Retailer participation may affect actual payment. At lease end, lessee is responsible for vehicle maintenance & repairs not covered by warranty, excessive wear & tear. Lessee pays personal property & ad valorem taxes (where applicable) & insurance. See participating retailer for details.
  • Please see the original post for additional details & give the WIKI and additional forum comments a read for helpful discussion.

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RicardoR5620
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Mine at 100% charge gets 175 miles of range (don't turn on the climate because that knocks it down to 160 miles), dealer says they are working on a fix. But won't look at the car.
nadanunca
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You may want to look at the Hyundai Ioniq 6. Rated for 360 mile range on a 100% charge, and Hyundai's been doing $7,500 cashback to offset the ineligibility for federal credits. And if you're really lucky, your state won't charge sales tax—NJ didn't for mine.
Tarkov
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Too bad insurance on this would be another $200

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Apr 09, 2024 08:49 PM
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Ducman69Apr 09, 2024 08:49 PM
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Quote from jonhern :
what age of car are you alluding to in your example? and why would you think a used EV only has 3 years left on the battery? Again they don't just die after the warranty is done
They don't, sometimes they die while in warranty (and by die I mean have severe degradation, just ask BMW i3 owners), and sometimes after, but if you know that the manufacturers like Hyundai are charging $50K battery replacements for $40K vehicles, then that's a serious risk to the buyer once that battery is out of warranty.

And sometimes its not just age, but for example search youtube for Hyundai battery replacement and you'll see the videos about the two recent examples where they hit a small object on the road, it did very minor damage to the armor plate, but it was enough for Hyundai to invalidate the warranty and say for safety reasons it needs a whole new battery, which in both cases totalled out the 1-2 year old vehicles.

This isn't confusing, so I don't know why you're acting obtuse unless you're one of those EVangelists and murmur in your sleep about climate change.
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Apr 09, 2024 09:40 PM
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RussellJohnsonApr 09, 2024 09:40 PM
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Quote from StrongRoom569 :
Would you be able to share Where did you get this deal on Ionic 5?
Puente Hills Hyundai, you can ask for Robert Jefferson
Apr 09, 2024 11:17 PM
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madmax718Apr 09, 2024 11:17 PM
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Quote from leeterbike :
Orlando and Tampa both have vans for that price. They might be Pacifica's.
Cheaper than I remember, its always super expensive during the summer and when kids are out from school. Guess I'll keep that option in mind for the future.
Apr 09, 2024 11:19 PM
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madmax718Apr 09, 2024 11:19 PM
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Quote from audiophan :
Vehicles are a depreciating asset. This is why you can borrow against them. Unwise to get your accounting knowledge from a board game.
'

Can? or cant? Last I checked you can't borrow against them either way, game board or not.
Apr 10, 2024 12:14 AM
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brotherhpj41Apr 10, 2024 12:14 AM
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This winter some found their EV would not charge at all because of the extream cold ... that would turn me off...no heat in the car either how can they sell a car like that for 50K
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Apr 10, 2024 12:17 AM
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schlackApr 10, 2024 12:17 AM
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Quote from Ducman69 :
They don't, sometimes they die while in warranty (and by die I mean have severe degradation, just ask BMW i3 owners), and sometimes after, but if you know that the manufacturers like Hyundai are charging $50K battery replacements for $40K vehicles, then that's a serious risk to the buyer once that battery is out of warranty.

And sometimes its not just age, but for example search youtube for Hyundai battery replacement and you'll see the videos about the two recent examples where they hit a small object on the road, it did very minor damage to the armor plate, but it was enough for Hyundai to invalidate the warranty and say for safety reasons it needs a whole new battery, which in both cases totalled out the 1-2 year old vehicles.

This isn't confusing, so I don't know why you're acting obtuse unless you're one of those EVangelists and murmur in your sleep about climate change.
After 8 years, that $45k car is worth maybe $10k. With a blown battery, maybe it's worth $5k to get parted out. So worst case scenario for me feels like several thousand lost way down the road, and this is pretty unlikely in any case as the Tesla batteries have a design life of 300,000-500,000 miles. Meanwhile, I'm driving one of the safest cars on the road, never waste time getting gas, and enjoy the experience.
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arctic513Apr 10, 2024 12:45 AM
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No glove box…. Cmon
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Apr 10, 2024 01:16 AM
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Ducman69Apr 10, 2024 01:16 AM
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Quote from schlack :
After 8 years, that $45k car is worth maybe $10k. With a blown battery, maybe it's worth $5k to get parted out. So worst case scenario for me feels like several thousand lost way down the road, and this is pretty unlikely in any case as the Tesla batteries have a design life of 300,000-500,000 miles. Meanwhile, I'm driving one of the safest cars on the road, never waste time getting gas, and enjoy the experience.
Yes, but WHY is that 8 year old EV worth nothing? Because of the risk it can be so easily totaled.

I got $17,800 for my 4th gen 2009 Ram 1500 Sport with 130K miles on it after 13 years, when I paid about $30K for it new. Why did it maintain over half of its value after that long period of time? Yes, the market was high in 2022, but also because the truck is easy to work on and inexpensive to repair with very cheap third party parts. I had a water pump failure for example, picked up a Duralast Waterpump with a new fan clutch and belt and prestone coolant for $196.54 (looking at my digital receipt now) shipped after tax, and it took me just a couple hours in the garage to replace on a Saturday (would have gone faster, but it was my first time and I was watching a youtube instruction video while doing it).

On Ramforum there's plenty with 300K+ miles on their hemi, so that has value.

EV resale is so low because the industry has figured out a way to maximize planned obsolescence, and until the government steps in and regulates it so that they can't charge more than the price of a brand new car for a replacement battery (not likely to happen), EVs represent the most disposable cars ever produced.

There's a use case, sure, but just know that:
1) Used EVs are really cheap now, even for super low mileage so if you're buying one anyway at least investigate that.
2) That there is a risk involved.
3) Don't buy new because you're going to hurt on resale worse than a Maserati.
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Apr 10, 2024 01:42 AM
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madmax718Apr 10, 2024 01:42 AM
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Quote from Ducman69 :
If you are leasing, fine, if you are buying an EV, and there is only 3 years left on the battery, and for example with Hyundai its well documented that a replacement battery installed at a dealership costs MORE than a brand new replacement vehicle, then I'm not going to pay you much for that used EV.

That's why battery life matters, as these are going to be the first truly planned obsolescence vehicles, since as soon as the battery is toast, the vehicle is totalled. It doesn't matter what the price per lithium cell is, the batteries are proprietary, they are not user serviceable due to liquid cooling systems and extremely high dangerous voltages, and so you're at the mercy of what the manufacturer charges and they are intentionally overcharging for them to ensure old cars end up in the trash dump so they can sell more new ones.

Charging speed does matter if you aren't only driving places to where you can charge from your garage. Since some people park in apartment parking lots and can't charge everyday overnight, or go on road trips, then charging speed is extremely important.

Most vehicles fuel tanks can be filled from near empty in under 3 mins, and think about how long that feels when you are standing there. Now imagine the gas came out so slow that you'd have to stand there for 30 mins... that sucks! And for some its not 30 mins, its 3 hours if you are somewhere that doesn't have a functional fast charger.
When you puncture a gas tank, you replace the gas tank. When you puncture a battery, you pretty much total the car.
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Apr 10, 2024 01:49 AM
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madmax718Apr 10, 2024 01:49 AM
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Quote from schlack :
After 8 years, that $45k car is worth maybe $10k. With a blown battery, maybe it's worth $5k to get parted out. So worst case scenario for me feels like several thousand lost way down the road, and this is pretty unlikely in any case as the Tesla batteries have a design life of 300,000-500,000 miles. Meanwhile, I'm driving one of the safest cars on the road, never waste time getting gas, and enjoy the experience.
Pretty much everyone else other than tesla never spent the energy/money to develop charging/discharging systems that wouldnt fry it. Look at the nissan leaf, the batteries pretty much ate themselves after a few years.

Tesla may not have been the first, but they used fusable links on their 18650 battery models. Its a lot of batteries but a single failure of a battery didn't fry the whole pack, along with liquid cooling and heating of the batteries themselves. Meanwhile, you had Chevy bolts setting itself on fire.

This is reminiscent of the bolt EUV deal during the pandemic...
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audiophanApr 10, 2024 01:51 AM
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Quote from madmax718 :
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Can? or cant? Last I checked you can't borrow against them either way, game board or not.
Literally what a car loan is. Vehicle is the borrowed against asset, loan is the liability.
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Ducman69Apr 10, 2024 03:07 AM
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Quote from madmax718 :
When you puncture a gas tank, you replace the gas tank. When you puncture a battery, you pretty much total the car.
Which is understandable, what is not understandable is they didn't even puncture the battery, not even close!

They slightly dented the armored plate that is spaced away from the battery, yet this is enough to be considered part of the "battery assembly" and grounds for them to say no more warranty and write it off.

That's why it got national attention, they aren't even hiding the fact they are trying to build throwaway vehicles and taking "planned obsolescence" to an extreme.
Apr 10, 2024 04:35 AM
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SmartPear341Apr 10, 2024 04:35 AM
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Quote from ls1dreams :
WTF is a Solterra lol
Soltera in spanish i believe means single woman
Apr 10, 2024 04:42 AM
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asukaApr 10, 2024 04:42 AM
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Quote from madmax718 :
Pretty much everyone else other than tesla never spent the energy/money to develop charging/discharging systems that wouldnt fry it. Look at the nissan leaf, the batteries pretty much ate themselves after a few years.

Tesla may not have been the first, but they used fusable links on their 18650 battery models. Its a lot of batteries but a single failure of a battery didn't fry the whole pack, along with liquid cooling and heating of the batteries themselves. Meanwhile, you had Chevy bolts setting itself on fire.

This is reminiscent of the bolt EUV deal during the pandemic...
GM batteries from the Chevy Volt and Bolt are lasting. Though there were some recalls, Voltec batteries are well over a decade old and holding up.

Some early EVs didn't charge curve properly and handle Level 3 charging right.

California in 2026 MY will require all BEV cars to last 10 years and 150,000 miles with at least 70% capacity remaining (as well as a way for consumers to check). Increasing to 80% in 2030 MY.

By 2031 MY, each individual pack also must maintain 75% capacity for 8yr/100k, in addition to 80% total for 10yr/150k.
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VarmintCongApr 10, 2024 05:28 AM
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If you're a Subaru engineer, getting assigned to the EV team is like getting shipped to Siberia.
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