He saved up some money and we're paying the rest for some personal milestones he's hit. Gaming has been a big part of my life for 40 years and I'm happy to share that interest with him.
Why? This system will actually run fine under 500w? I couldnt make this system use more than that under any situation... 600w gives you plenty of room
There's benchmarks demonstrating that 16GB on the 4060 is a negligible performance increase due to bus and memory bandwidth.
Sure, it will allow you to bump up the texture resolution, but the GPU itself won't be able to keep up with rendering at 4K. At 1080P, those high resolution textures won't make an appreciable difference.
It's like taking an UltraHD BluRay and converting it down to DVD resolution.
Not for $130, if that's the only thing they're swapping out. The MSRP difference between them is $80 tops.
For reference, an extra $250 can get you a 13th Gen i7 and a 4060Ti with some of the other deals that have been posted on here.
Yeah I guess I should have clarified that more. I was saying the 16gb Ti was worth the money, but that that 8gb wasn't really much of a performance upgrade.
Not for $130, if that's the only thing they're swapping out. The MSRP difference between them is $80 tops.
For reference, an extra $250 can get you a 13th Gen i7 and a 4060Ti with some of the other deals that have been posted on here.
Only other thing I see similar is the dell deal that was really popular a few weeks ago. It was $1000 for the i7 and 4060ti. So that would be $150 more just for the upgrade to the i7 with a downgrade in parts quality.
Only other thing I see similar is the dell deal that was really popular a few weeks ago. It was $1000 for the i7 and 4060ti. So that would be $150 more just for the upgrade to the i7 with a downgrade in parts quality.
Downgrade in parts quality?
You can't buy a prebuilt from Dell or HP and nitpick on small details like RAM speed or upgradability between the two.
At these prices, it's best to treat prebuilts as appliances. Buy most of what you need out of the gate, because you won't save any money trying to assemble piecemeal later on.
The Dell had an i7 and a 4060Ti, which is really what are going to be the most impactful for the system.
Does anyone know if Hp is still using proprietary motherboards?
They're reference boards; they've never been proprietary outside of an extra power supply connector which they've stopped using (the exception being SFF boards).
Those connectors are available all over Amazon, so it's never really been anything beyond a minor annoyance.
Does anyone know if Hp is still using proprietary motherboards?
They use micro atx hp branded ones for years and they're garbage.
Their AIOs are garbage. The fans all use proprietary connectors and a proprietary controller. The ram is Kingston stuff but it's custom to HP and has no xmp.
The video cards are HP branded as well, very few/slow updates to vbios if ever.
The power supply wasn't modular and it had, I think, one extra sata power connector.
I parted out a 30L during the pandemic because I wanted the rtx 3090. The only things worth reusing were the cpu, the hard drive (wd black 850) and gpu.
I think I'd roll the dice with a legion pre-built before I ever bought another HP. And that's solely based on the quality of my legion pro laptop.
Generally you want your PSU to be double you max draw, that is where it is most efficient. Plus there are certain cirumstances where your computer can go over the stated max draw specs so having some overhead help eliminate issues. Plus if you want to upgrade down the road you've got plenty of PSU for a more power hungry GPU..
He saved up some money and we're paying the rest for some personal milestones he's hit. Gaming has been a big part of my life for 40 years and I'm happy to share that interest with him.
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There's benchmarks demonstrating that 16GB on the 4060 is a negligible performance increase due to bus and memory bandwidth.
Sure, it will allow you to bump up the texture resolution, but the GPU itself won't be able to keep up with rendering at 4K. At 1080P, those high resolution textures won't make an appreciable difference.
It's like taking an UltraHD BluRay and converting it down to DVD resolution.
Not for $130, if that's the only thing they're swapping out. The MSRP difference between them is $80 tops.
For reference, an extra $250 can get you a 13th Gen i7 and a 4060Ti with some of the other deals that have been posted on here.
For reference, an extra $250 can get you a 13th Gen i7 and a 4060Ti with some of the other deals that have been posted on here.
For reference, an extra $250 can get you a 13th Gen i7 and a 4060Ti with some of the other deals that have been posted on here.
Only other thing I see similar is the dell deal that was really popular a few weeks ago. It was $1000 for the i7 and 4060ti. So that would be $150 more just for the upgrade to the i7 with a downgrade in parts quality.
Not worth it for gaming, but for people running generative AI locally, the 4060 ti with 16GB of VRAM is great. AI tends to be very VRAM hungry.
Downgrade in parts quality?
You can't buy a prebuilt from Dell or HP and nitpick on small details like RAM speed or upgradability between the two.
At these prices, it's best to treat prebuilts as appliances. Buy most of what you need out of the gate, because you won't save any money trying to assemble piecemeal later on.
The Dell had an i7 and a 4060Ti, which is really what are going to be the most impactful for the system.
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I need 128gb ram minimum
Those connectors are available all over Amazon, so it's never really been anything beyond a minor annoyance.
However, the case RGB is probably not universal.
Their AIOs are garbage. The fans all use proprietary connectors and a proprietary controller. The ram is Kingston stuff but it's custom to HP and has no xmp.
The video cards are HP branded as well, very few/slow updates to vbios if ever.
The power supply wasn't modular and it had, I think, one extra sata power connector.
I parted out a 30L during the pandemic because I wanted the rtx 3090. The only things worth reusing were the cpu, the hard drive (wd black 850) and gpu.
I think I'd roll the dice with a legion pre-built before I ever bought another HP. And that's solely based on the quality of my legion pro laptop.
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Intel Core i5-13400F 2.5 GHz 10-Core Processor8W - 148W
Gigabyte B660M DS3H AX DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard15W - 60W
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory14W
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive2W - 10W
Asus DUAL OC GeForce RTX 4060 8 GB Video Card28W - 115W
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Let him know I agree as well.