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Crucial T500 2TB Gen4 NVMe M.2 Internal Gaming SSD, Up to 7400MB/s, Laptop & Desktop Compatible $138.99 @ Amazon

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Crucial T500 2TB Gen4 NVMe M.2 Internal Gaming SSD, Up to 7400MB/s, Laptop & Desktop Compatible

LIGHTNING SPEEDS: Get incredible performance with sequential reads/writes up to 7,400/7,000MB/s and random read/writes up to 1.18M/1.44M IOPs
COMPATIBLE: Ready for performance with your laptop, desktop or workstation, the T500 installs easily in your M.2 slot
ULTIMATE GAMING: Load games up to 16% faster and get faster texture renders and less CPU utilization with Microsoft DirectStorage
CONTENT CREATION: Get up to 42% faster performance in content creation apps, run heavy workloads, and render photos or videos faster

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CK2TC9XQ
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Amazon has Crucial T500 2tb on sale for $138.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CK2TC9XQ

Microcenter
https://www.microcenter.com/produ...ternal_SSD

Newegg
https://www.newegg.com/crucial-2t...efdaf3409e

Best Buy
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cruc...Id=6566097

Walmart
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Crucia...5073229417

Crucial store
https://www.crucial.com/ssd/t500/...08020340:s

B&H Photos
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/pr...UqEALw_wcB



Crucial T500 2TB Gen4 NVMe M.2 Internal Gaming SSD, Up to 7400MB/s, Laptop & Desktop Compatible

LIGHTNING SPEEDS: Get incredible performance with sequential reads/writes up to 7,400/7,000MB/s and random read/writes up to 1.18M/1.44M IOPs
COMPATIBLE: Ready for performance with your laptop, desktop or workstation, the T500 installs easily in your M.2 slot
ULTIMATE GAMING: Load games up to 16% faster and get faster texture renders and less CPU utilization with Microsoft DirectStorage
CONTENT CREATION: Get up to 42% faster performance in content creation apps, run heavy workloads, and render photos or videos faster

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CK2TC9XQ

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Jul 08, 2024 02:42 AM
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mihscrJul 08, 2024 02:42 AM
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Quote from Vphan408 :
Is the msi m482 be good for gaming?
Any SSD will be fine for PC gaming, and this one is probably the best 2TB you can get for $100 right now.

SSD performance tiers and the presence of DRAM etc. have almost no impact on PC gaming. Tests run by reputable outlets have shown that, even between SATA (capped at 600 MB/s) and NVMe SSDs, differences in gaming performance and loading times are (1) insignificant and (2) unnoticeable to the user.
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Undefined.nullJul 08, 2024 02:42 AM
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I know the low SSD prices of yesteryear are long gone, but I don't see anything special about paying $140 for 2TB. Nothing to write home about, IMO, even for a Crucial piece. But, then again, I use my PC for gaming, so SSD performance is not as crucial of a factor.

Edit: To clarify, SSD performance tiers and the presence of DRAM etc. have almost no impact on PC gaming. Tests run by reputable outlets have shown that, even between SATA (capped at 600 MB/s) and NVMe SSDs, differences in gaming performance and loading times are (1) insignificant and (2) unnoticeable to the user.
That's true for most games. I did notice significant decreases in load times for hogwarts legacy though. Like from a minute down to like 5 seconds. HDD to NVME
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Jul 08, 2024 02:44 AM
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SDSummerDayJul 08, 2024 02:44 AM
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Quote from redvibez :
Volatility aside, I'm confused, so you're saying that the article's conclusion, which is that one should get DRAM ssd if they want to build a pc that can game, is correct?

Or is the DRAM less MSI one okay?
What I said is that nvme 1.2 with OS supporting HMB, dram or ramless doesn't impact the performance. Any difference you see is from the controller and the flash cell, not from the ram.

Now it is true that higher end drives tend to come with the ram (which also happened to have better controllers and flash cells), getting onboard ram also helps in the situation where the operation system does not provide host memory buffering, like in PS5, or in some nas boxes. If price is the same go with one with the ram for the flexibility. Just know that is not gonna buy you any performance if you have a system that can use hmb.
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Quote from Undefined.null :
That's true for most games. I did notice significant decreases in load times for hogwarts legacy though. Like from a minute down to like 5 seconds. HDD to NVME
HDD is not the same as SATA SSD. There indeed is a noticeable difference going from HDD to any SSD.

I was referring to going between SATA SSD (600 MB/s max) and M.2 NVMe SSD to argue that you don't need an expensive, top-tier SSD with all the bells and whistles for PC gaming.
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Jul 08, 2024 02:52 AM
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Jul 08, 2024 02:52 AM
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Quote from mihscr :
I know the low SSD prices of yesteryear are long gone, but I don't see anything special about paying $140 for 2TB. Nothing to write home about, IMO, even for a Crucial piece. But, then again, I use my PC for gaming, so SSD performance is not as crucial of a factor.

Edit: To clarify, SSD performance tiers and the presence of DRAM etc. have almost no impact on PC gaming. Tests run by reputable outlets have shown that, even between SATA (capped at 600 MB/s) and NVMe SSDs, differences in gaming performance and loading times are (1) insignificant and (2) unnoticeable to the user.
I wonder how true that will be for since as game assets get more complicated and often larger in memory size, at some point those sizes will have an impact on performance, like whenever 8k becomes the trend.
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Jul 08, 2024 03:05 AM
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Jul 08, 2024 03:05 AM
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Quote from mihscr :
Any SSD will be fine for PC gaming, and this one is probably the best 2TB you can get for $100 right now.

SSD performance tiers and the presence of DRAM etc. have almost no impact on PC gaming. Tests run by reputable outlets have shown that, even between SATA (capped at 600 MB/s) and NVMe SSDs, differences in gaming performance and loading times are (1) insignificant and (2) unnoticeable to the user.
IMHO, a SSD with no cache is a sign that it is a cheaper drive and may likely fail sooner than a higher quality one. I'd rather pay extra for quality and warranty than roll that dice. In addition, Crucial is a brand of Micron which is a top American brand.
Last edited by redvibez July 7, 2024 at 09:08 PM.
Jul 08, 2024 03:10 AM
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mihscrJul 08, 2024 03:10 AM
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Quote from redvibez :
Me too! I'm hoping for a 2tb at $100
There already are 2TB SSDs at $100. Here's a very good one for the price: https://us-store.msi.com/PC-Compo...Me-M.2-2TB
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Quote from redvibez :
IMHO, a SSD with no cache is a sign that it is a cheaper drive and may likely fail sooner than a higher quality one. I'd rather pay extra for quality and warranty than roll that dice. In addition, Crucial is a brand of Micron which is a top American brand.
There are use cases where you absolutely want DRAM-less drives. With that said, even cheaper SSDs will last the typical user many, many, many years.

In fact, most NAND flash memory and controllers are made by the same few companies, so there isn't that much diversity in the market. The differences show up in how the final product is put together.

Most brands, including Crucial, make both cheap and premium products. In the end, you want (1) a reliable brand with decent customer service and a fair RMA process and (2) a product from said brand with a decent warranty on it.

For illustration purposes, if you looked at the Crucial T500 ($140) vs MSI M482 ($98), you would notice that, although the Crucial one has DRAM while the MSI one does not, both have the same write endurance (1200 TBW) and warranty (5 years). Either one should last you a very, very long time.
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Quote from redvibez :
Volatility aside, I'm confused, so you're saying that the article's conclusion, which is that one should get DRAM ssd if they want to build a pc that can game, is correct?

Or is the DRAM less MSI one okay?
Any SSD (with or without DRAM) will work fine for PC gaming. You would never notice the difference between the two.

The M482 from MSI's web store ($98) seems like the best deal right now for a 2TB drive for gaming and other non-productivity workloads.
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Quote from redvibez :
I wonder how true that will be for since as game assets get more complicated and often larger in memory size, at some point those sizes will have an impact on performance, like whenever 8k becomes the trend.
There's a long way to go before we get there. Even 4K gaming isn't mainstream yet.

Plus, assets aren't even loaded all at once. They're typically loaded in order of necessity, so developers have plenty of time to prioritize and preload what is needed when while you go through the menus etc.
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Quote from mihscr :
There are use cases where you absolutely want DRAM-less drives. With that said, even cheaper SSDs will last the typical user many, many, many years.

In fact, most NAND flash memory and controllers are made by the same few companies, so there isn't that much diversity in the market. The differences show up in how the final product is put together.

Most brands, including Crucial, make both cheap and premium products. In the end, you want (1) a reliable brand with decent customer service and a fair RMA process and (2) a product from said brand with a decent warranty on it.

For illustration purposes, if you looked at the Crucial T500 ($140) vs MSI M482 ($98), you would notice that, although the Crucial one has DRAM while the MSI one does not, both have the same write endurance (1200 TBW) and warranty (5 years). Either one should last you a very, very long time.
Awesome. Thanks for your work.
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tsm37Jul 08, 2024 04:31 AM
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Dram is so overrated. The benefit of dram is so minimal nowadays
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Quote from tsm37 :
Dram is so overrated. The benefit of dram is so minimal nowadays
Dram, though not necessary for gaming, is useful for large file moves.
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AlmostHeliosJul 08, 2024 05:11 AM
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Quote from tsm37 :
Dram is so overrated. The benefit of dram is so minimal nowadays
The only real reasons for most consumers to actively look for a DRAM drive is if HMB isn't supported or if the drive is going to be used in an external enclosure. HMB is good enough for most systems.
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Can anyone recommend a good inexpensive UsB c 3.2 gen 2 enclosure for nvme? Trying to troubleshoot whether it's one of my drives or the enclosure that is causing slow read/write

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