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frontpageNavy-Wife | Staff posted Jul 25, 2024 12:59 AM
Stone Espresso Machines: Premium (Satin), Plus, or Mine (Black)
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$1,699
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where as boiler machine heats up a pot of water. so it requires more energy, and therefor time.
but thermoblock has its issues, lots of issues if you aim for perfection: the temperature coming out of the thermoblock is inversely proportional to the speed of the flow. if you have a perfect flow, e,g, around 27 seconds for 1:2 ratio, then it works wonders, but if you flow differs, say it is bit too fast, then not only you take the penalty of under extraction due to fast flow, but also much lower temperature. so instead of be able to fix two variables out of three (grind size, temperature, time) and fine tune your drink one variable at a time, you are now moving two variables at the same time. this is extremely hard to do if you want consistent good taste of light roast coffee.
you don't have to take my word for it, got yourself a thermometer and test the water out of the Bambino (or anyother thermoblock machine), turn it on and just see the number jumps from 95 to 80 in no time. you would be lucky to have 15ml of water at desired temperature before it fluctuates
i personally have/had espresso machine priced from 200 dollar to 4000 dollars, i think the single most improvement one can do as far as espresso machine is concerned is to move to dual boiler with PID (so you do milk based drink much faster and better). but this been a HX at this price is probably as good as it goes. i won't mind getting it if i were to throw away my current setup
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BTW, if you're an advocate for the E61 group, I'm guessing you're not as long and deep into this game as me. Flow control on the E61 is almost an oxymoron.
FYI I started from a lowly Krupps machine, spent many thousands up and down the range, and ended with a simple lever. It's a fun hobby that can last decades, but eventually I just wanted a good cup of coffee without the PhD thesis. Many people start and end with just wanting a good cup of coffee. This machine might be it, but without solid reviews, we can't know.
And please don't get pissy. I have no opinions I will not change immediately to avoid an argument.
BTW I owned a Profitec 700 for a few years prior to my current lever machine. It was a nice machine but I lost faith in the E61 group when they introduced a flow control add-on mechanism that just didn't work very well.
FYI, if anyone is interested in the Profitec Go, make a phone call to WholeLatteLove. Those guys can sometimes make a great deal over the phone without any haggling - they just can't lower prices on their website due to contractual reasons.
I once owned a Quick Mill Silvano that was a $1k-ish machine that used a thermoblock for steaming. What a constant disappointment that thing was! I would expect that for the MSRP of ~$1.5K for the Stone I could have much better steaming power. But who knows. It's a mystery machine with no independent reviews.
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I once owned a Quick Mill Silvano that was a $1k-ish machine that used a thermoblock for steaming. What a constant disappointment that thing was! I would expect that for the MSRP of ~$1.5K for the Stone I could have much better steaming power. But who knows. It's a mystery machine with no independent reviews.
The best way to shut me up is to just ignore me. This tip comes courtesy of my wife.
For me I'd want better steam power, and that could be obtained from a boiler machine - either a HX (heat exchanger single boiler) or a dual boiler machine. I'd also want a standard 58mm group that would allow me greater choice in portafilters and baskets. There are many machines that have these, so it's down to price, value, features, aesthetics, reliability, workflow... etc.. You would really need to research yourself and choose maybe 2 or 3 candidates. People could then advise you on the pros and cons of those. You can get advice on https://www.reddit.com/r/espresso and other online forums. I hate most of those forums so I'll not make any recommendations. Coffee snobs tend to have the personality of a rancid ass, but they usually know their stuff in painful detail.
BTW I owned a Profitec 700 for a few years prior to my current lever machine. It was a nice machine but I lost faith in the E61 group when they introduced a flow control add-on mechanism that just didn't work very well.
FYI, if anyone is interested in the Profitec Go, make a phone call to WholeLatteLove. Those guys can sometimes make a great deal over the phone without any haggling - they just can't lower prices on their website due to contractual reasons.
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There are acronyms being thrown around that I can't make heads or tails of what people are saying
Would love to get deep into this so I can experience what great home made espresso should be.
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