This is my first post so sorry if I missed anything. I just got my 2025 Leaf leased yesterday from Boulder Nissan and the price actually is $9/mo. 24 month, 10k miles per year lease. This is the cheapest monthly I've seen in CO.
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This is my first post so sorry if I missed anything. I just got my 2025 Leaf leased yesterday from Boulder Nissan and the price actually is $9/mo. 24 month, 10k miles per year lease. This is the cheapest monthly I've seen in CO.
Lol you think you are the producer of electricity, even with solar EVs are only as good as the chargers support.
Do you have an ev? Because I do and it's better then my gas car at everything. My electricity bill increased about $9 a month. I was spending around $1100 a month in gas before. I've taken it on 2 trips that were over 1000 miles each way twice. No problems. Don't judge things based on bias opinions from others..
It amazes me that 99.9% of EV negativity is from people that don't own an EV. It seems that people that own EVs somehow figure out how to survive life with them. Ever heard of don't knock it til you tried it? Don't be so afraid of change.
Can anyone explain to me why we must subsidize and give welfare to this demographic?
Wonder if it is they are in the government and corporate offices that dream up transfers of wealth to the already rich and well to do paid by for the working class.
Many probably had their college tuition paid by the single mom Walmart clerk and now they want a fancy car.
As of 2020, owners of EVs were predominantly middle-aged white men earning more than $100,000 per year.
Men make up 75% of individuals who purchase battery-electric vehicles (BEVs).
People aged 55+ make up 53.6% of BEV owners.
Those earning $100,000+ annually make up 57% of BEV owners.
87% of EV owners in the U.S. are white.
There are lots of subsidies you can complain about. Why does the government subsidize mortgages? People who can buy houses are better off than people chronically renting and living paycheck to paycheck. Turns out owning your house is pretty desirable for the population, so there are incentives to do so.
In the end, the government subsidizes (and taxes) lots of behaviors so that they can cause a shift for the "better good". Whether you agree with that or not is a whole other issue in government involvement.
The argument to subsidize EVs are two fold, to help manufacturers sell their cars in the initial phase as there is a VERY steep start up cost and once they get over that hump, they can stay afloat themselves. This is the same thing when solar panels were first commercially available, now they are the cheapest source of electricity. The other aspect is that if the environmental benefits of getting ANY gas car off the road and replaced with an EV is worth that subsidy, then do you care which polluting cars are taken off the road? (In reality, the EV subsidies are limited by your income, there are also additional subsidies if you are low income (dependent in state))
If you ever traveled you might have noticed there is no place to refuel. I haven't seen one in my city yet. They probably do have a couple by now. Didn't see it in 2020 tho. Aiin the 14th largest city in usa (out about 300, 000 cities) I seen 3 in some far out boonies ultra rich brand new suburburbs close to Redmond Washington on the other side of the map. . But they wouldn't be able to leave their extremely small undeveloped cities to go anywhere.
This is Colorado too. Nothing but dust an ranches in between the east an west coast
Why do you feel you need to reply with complete ignorance? I don't know how to sew. If there was a sale on a sewing machine I'm not going to into the comments 5 pages deep and give my opinion on it when I have no idea what I'm talking about. There are electric charge stations everywhere. I'm in Puyallup Washington. There are currently 120 charging stations within 20 minutes of me. I've driven through eastern Washington in towns with populations of 1,000 people at most and there are stations. I was in deep deep in the middle of nowhere in Oregon and filled up at a charger at a dairy queen. That was so old and decrepit I was amazed it was open. I saw 2 houses a gas station and some old building that had been abandoned long ago. I did a search for what city I was in and it didn't come up with anything. Running out of electricity is not something that will happen. When you put where you are going in the GPS it brings up all the stations on your trip. It will tell you which ones you should stop at. If for some reason there wasn't one for too long of a span it would tell you that too.
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Be careful, questioning common sense can get you in trouble.
Their positions in this thread are as follows…
1. Big oil is evil because "they" tell me it is.
2. My friend has an electric car, and loves it, so it is obviously great.
3. I believe in science, only when it's convenient.
Very convincing…
I notice no one has refuted anything I have said. It's hard to refute common sense and facts. Usually I get the name calling, though, as proof, not silence…
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Nissan is losing money lately trying to sell people cars.
EVs are the iPhones of the auto market. Smug rich people will pay the extra premiums needed to keep a company afloat (Tesla), but there is no room in the market for economy, where people with common sense understand EVs are overpriced and inconvenient.
Of course, if the US allowed the import of $10K BYD EVs everyone would drive them, but we all know that will never happen.
lol I bought another EV 5 years after my first. Why would I want to buy a car I can't produce power for myself? Especially one that requires more maintenance and makes the air I breathe dirtier?
That's a lot of BS. The tires on your electric car are wider and bigger and wear out faster. To mine a lithium battery it takes a lot of diesel. To run the generators to charge your battery it takes diesel. And then what happens with the batteries when the car is no longer in use??
Why do you feel you need to reply with complete ignorance? I don't know how to sew. If there was a sale on a sewing machine I'm not going to into the comments 5 pages deep and give my opinion on it when I have no idea what I'm talking about. There are electric charge stations everywhere. I'm in Puyallup Washington. There are currently 120 charging stations within 20 minutes of me. I've driven through eastern Washington in towns with populations of 1,000 people at most and there are stations. I was in deep deep in the middle of nowhere in Oregon and filled up at a charger at a dairy queen. That was so old and decrepit I was amazed it was open. I saw 2 houses a gas station and some old building that had been abandoned long ago. I did a search for what city I was in and it didn't come up with anything. Running out of electricity is not something that will happen. When you put where you are going in the GPS it brings up all the stations on your trip. It will tell you which ones you should stop at. If for some reason there wasn't one for too long of a span it would tell you that too.
I'm up in Arlington. There are a few L2 chargers around here, not many DCFC tho. I have Emporia charger at house, our EV was for putting around locally and an occasional trip to our cabin up on Mount Baker Highway. We have other vehicles for road trips.
Can anyone explain to me why we must subsidize and give welfare to this demographic?
Wonder if it is they are in the government and corporate offices that dream up transfers of wealth to the already rich and well to do paid by for the working class.
Many probably had their college tuition paid by the single mom Walmart clerk and now they want a fancy car.
As of 2020, owners of EVs were predominantly middle-aged white men earning more than $100,000 per year.
Men make up 75% of individuals who purchase battery-electric vehicles (BEVs).
People aged 55+ make up 53.6% of BEV owners.
Those earning $100,000+ annually make up 57% of BEV owners.
87% of EV owners in the U.S. are white.
I'm a 54yo white boy that makes less than $100K a year here in WA state. It's not my/our primary car.
Car is owned, not leased and no payment.
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Can you guys explain the process of changing your internal sex organs or chromosomes for me? I still am not sure how it's done….
Wonder if it is they are in the government and corporate offices that dream up transfers of wealth to the already rich and well to do paid by for the working class.
Many probably had their college tuition paid by the single mom Walmart clerk and now they want a fancy car.
https://inspireadvanced
As of 2020, owners of EVs were predominantly middle-aged white men earning more than $100,000 per year.
Men make up 75% of individuals who purchase battery-electric vehicles (BEVs).
People aged 55+ make up 53.6% of BEV owners.
Those earning $100,000+ annually make up 57% of BEV owners.
87% of EV owners in the U.S. are white.
In the end, the government subsidizes (and taxes) lots of behaviors so that they can cause a shift for the "better good". Whether you agree with that or not is a whole other issue in government involvement.
The argument to subsidize EVs are two fold, to help manufacturers sell their cars in the initial phase as there is a VERY steep start up cost and once they get over that hump, they can stay afloat themselves. This is the same thing when solar panels were first commercially available, now they are the cheapest source of electricity. The other aspect is that if the environmental benefits of getting ANY gas car off the road and replaced with an EV is worth that subsidy, then do you care which polluting cars are taken off the road? (In reality, the EV subsidies are limited by your income, there are also additional subsidies if you are low income (dependent in state))
This is Colorado too. Nothing but dust an ranches in between the east an west coast
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1. Big oil is evil because "they" tell me it is.
2. My friend has an electric car, and loves it, so it is obviously great.
3. I believe in science, only when it's convenient.
Very convincing…
I notice no one has refuted anything I have said. It's hard to refute common sense and facts. Usually I get the name calling, though, as proof, not silence…
Nissan is losing money lately trying to sell people cars.
EVs are the iPhones of the auto market. Smug rich people will pay the extra premiums needed to keep a company afloat (Tesla), but there is no room in the market for economy, where people with common sense understand EVs are overpriced and inconvenient.
Of course, if the US allowed the import of $10K BYD EVs everyone would drive them, but we all know that will never happen.
Wonder if it is they are in the government and corporate offices that dream up transfers of wealth to the already rich and well to do paid by for the working class.
Many probably had their college tuition paid by the single mom Walmart clerk and now they want a fancy car.
https://inspireadvanced
As of 2020, owners of EVs were predominantly middle-aged white men earning more than $100,000 per year.
Men make up 75% of individuals who purchase battery-electric vehicles (BEVs).
People aged 55+ make up 53.6% of BEV owners.
Those earning $100,000+ annually make up 57% of BEV owners.
87% of EV owners in the U.S. are white.
Car is owned, not leased and no payment.
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