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Harbor Freight In-Store Offer: Hercules Tools Bundle: Buy Any Hercules Tools
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Brand loyalty with tools is largely baseless. If it weren't for being stuck in the battery "ecosystem", it would be impossible to justify sticking with just one brand for everything. And with battery conversion adapters, that becomes less relevant.
Every brand has a tool (or, at this point, their entire lineup) made in a country that you've been conditioned to believe produces nothing but garbage. They all have at least one tool that underperforms or gets recalled for defects. And depending on the tool itself, "performance" isn't even a measurable factor if you're using the tool properly.
Not to mention, a lot of these tool brands are subsidiaries of one parent company. For instance, Milwaukee and Ryobi are both owned by TTI. A significant amount of part sharing happens between these subsidiaries, to the point where the brushless drivers for Milwaukee and Ryobi share identical motors on certain models from year to year.
The best thing you can do to acquire tools affordably is first assess how you'll be using the tool. If it's a one-off job, maybe the $600 tile saw isn't the right move. Battery powered tools are far more ergonomic, but a corded tool will always be cheaper with relative or better performance (oscillating multi tools, for example). Of course, there's always going to be some jobs where corded is a non-starter. Mowing the lawn and installing baseboards/flooring are two where I will never go back to corded.
And if you want to be ultra non-committal on brands while getting the absolute best performance for the least amount of money, buy a compressor and some air tools.
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As far as Milwaukee and Ryobi brushless sharing parts that is a tribute to ryboi brushless tools being of high quality tbf
Of course a tools lines is always going to have a tool that doesn't perform, nothing is perfect. But I can tell you that when actually working on a higher level DIYer job (installing flooring in a bedroom) my non brushless ryobi just wasn't nearly as good as my dewalt atomic. I'll never buy non brushless ryobi again.
I agree that 'it weren't for being stuck in the battery "ecosystem", it would be impossible to justify sticking with just one brand for everything' However, we are stuck in that ecosystem and not everyone trusts battery conversion adapters either
$260 good stuff in $85. Now that is a deal! :-)
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As far as Milwaukee and Ryobi brushless sharing parts that is a tribute to ryboi brushless tools being of high quality tbf
Of course a tools lines is always going to have a tool that doesn't perform, nothing is perfect. But I can tell you that when actually working on a higher level DIYer job (installing flooring in a bedroom) my non brushless ryobi just wasn't nearly as good as my dewalt atomic. I'll never buy non brushless ryobi again.
I agree that 'it weren't for being stuck in the battery "ecosystem", it would be impossible to justify sticking with just one brand for everything' However, we are stuck in that ecosystem and not everyone trusts battery conversion adapters either
But you're right in the sense that overseas manufacturing doesn't automatically make something worse. Moreover, even if it did, it's our own fault for continuing to buy cheap products toward a race to the bottom.
As far as Milwaukee and Ryobi go, that isn't the takeaway I would go with. It's moreso the fact that because they share parts, comparing them on a scale of "performance" isn't really a valid metric. Both offer brushless tools which are sometimes the exact same motor, but the fact that the motor is brushless isn't even always consequential in the same way. Sometimes, the tool doesn't need more "power", so the only benefits of it being brushless are that it's slightly lighter and the battery lasts longer.
The main point I was trying to make with not being a brand loyalist is that it's okay to have a mixed bag. Your garage doesn't need to glow bright yellow with nothing but DeWalt. Not only is it prohibitively more expensive, you sometimes miss out on some really good tools from other brands.
A perfect example is the Bauer brand at Harbor Freight. Their corded roto hammers are really hard to beat for the price, yet many people immediately go for the Makita at three times the price and only end up using it for one job.
For example, Milwaukee might get a line of motors for their 2023 line that becomes the motor for the new Ryobi 2024 line.
Whatever Project Farm type videos you're watching aren't going to be very scientific on this matter unless they take apart every single tool and do generational comparisons. Moreover, the fact that most of these videos focus mainly on raw power is a fallacy in itself.
All of these companies are sourcing parts from only a handful of suppliers, so you might even find the same motor across multiple brands. It's not like they wind the motors in house.
Brand loyalty with tools is largely baseless. If it weren't for being stuck in the battery "ecosystem", it would be impossible to justify sticking with just one brand for everything. And with battery conversion adapters, that becomes less relevant.
Every brand has a tool (or, at this point, their entire lineup) made in a country that you've been conditioned to believe produces nothing but garbage. They all have at least one tool that underperforms or gets recalled for defects. And depending on the tool itself, "performance" isn't even a measurable factor if you're using the tool properly.
Not to mention, a lot of these tool brands are subsidiaries of one parent company. For instance, Milwaukee and Ryobi are both owned by TTI. A significant amount of part sharing happens between these subsidiaries, to the point where the brushless drivers for Milwaukee and Ryobi share identical motors on certain models from year to year.
The best thing you can do to acquire tools affordably is first assess how you'll be using the tool. If it's a one-off job, maybe the $600 tile saw isn't the right move. Battery powered tools are far more ergonomic, but a corded tool will always be cheaper with relative or better performance (oscillating multi tools, for example). Of course, there's always going to be some jobs where corded is a non-starter. Mowing the lawn and installing baseboards/flooring are two where I will never go back to corded.
And if you want to be ultra non-committal on brands while getting the absolute best performance for the least amount of money, buy a compressor and some air tools.
Learned it hard way when first purchased black generic Harbor Freight drill 15 years ago.
Maybe get tested for red/green colorblindness.
Maybe get tested for red/green colorblindness.
Could be just a mental bias, like searching shark teeth on the beach, you know. One can find a dozen where ten other people had none.
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