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HP Victus 15L Gaming PC (Refurb): i5-14400F, RTX 4060, 16GB DDR4, 1TB SSD $699.99

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  • Windows 11 Home 64-Bit
  • Processor:Intel Core i5-14400F 10-Core Processor 1.80GHz
  • Memory:16GB (1x16GB) DDR4-3200 MHz RAM
  • Internal Storage:1TB PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD
  • Video Graphics:NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 with 8GB GDDR6 Dedicated Memory
  • Wireless:10/100/1000 Ethernet Connection | Wi-Fi 6 (2x2) and Bluetooth 5.3

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  • Windows 11 Home 64-Bit
  • Processor:Intel Core i5-14400F 10-Core Processor 1.80GHz
  • Memory:16GB (1x16GB) DDR4-3200 MHz RAM
  • Internal Storage:1TB PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD
  • Video Graphics:NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 with 8GB GDDR6 Dedicated Memory
  • Wireless:10/100/1000 Ethernet Connection | Wi-Fi 6 (2x2) and Bluetooth 5.3

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Aug 18, 2024 09:50 AM
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FeiyeungSAug 18, 2024 09:50 AM
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I see intel 13th/14th gen, i down vote.


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DeadmanMAug 18, 2024 06:18 PM
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Quote from FeiyeungS :
I see intel 13th/14th gen, i down vote.


Related reading: https://www.theverge.com/24216305...herboards# [theverge.com]
With ref to link you've sent, I dont see the i5-14400F there on the list of dodgy chips with extended warranties. Does that mean its OK?
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Aug 18, 2024 06:19 PM
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dealmeister3000Aug 18, 2024 06:19 PM
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Refurbished 14th gen... How dumb would you have to be?
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Aug 18, 2024 06:49 PM
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busybugsyAug 18, 2024 06:49 PM
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What's the PSU? Need a starter AI training box and might upgrade the GPU at some point if I get deeper into it
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Aug 18, 2024 07:21 PM
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MuddledBoxAug 18, 2024 07:21 PM
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Quote from busybugsy :
What's the PSU? Need a starter AI training box and might upgrade the GPU at some point if I get deeper into it
Proprietary and probably not a lot of wattage for upgrades. The form factor and mounting points are different and unique to this HP system, so good luck finding a replacement. They do exist but you'll have only a few choices. If you are looking to upgrade, this isn't the deal you are looking for.
Aug 18, 2024 07:51 PM
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brapAug 18, 2024 07:51 PM
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At $500, maybe? $700, no way.

The lenovo ebay refurb i7 / 3060 with 12gb for $500 was a much better deal.
Aug 18, 2024 08:18 PM
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LivelyWinter3605Aug 18, 2024 08:18 PM
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Quote from brap :
At $500, maybe? $700, no way.

The lenovo ebay refurb i7 / 3060 with 12gb for $500 was a much better deal.
Is 14th gen that bad? Actually I bought that Lenovo pc on deal, but I'm not sure was it good decision or no. Now I think I Would've rather the 4060 instead
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Aug 18, 2024 08:53 PM
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kpb321Aug 18, 2024 08:53 PM
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Quote from DeadmanM :
With ref to link you've sent, I dont see the i5-14400F there on the list of dodgy chips with extended warranties. Does that mean its OK?
I think it's probably safe. Obviously, there's still some debate on which processors are effected but AFAIK this is basically just a rebranded 12th gen which don't have problems and is based on a completely different chip than the i7/i9 13th/14th gen chips that have been problematic.
Aug 18, 2024 09:04 PM
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dovlekAug 18, 2024 09:04 PM
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Did Microsoft just release a microcode....so it just depends on the harware status now.
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sdedalus83Aug 18, 2024 11:13 PM
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Quote from LivelyWinter3605 :
Is 14th gen that bad? Actually I bought that pc on deal, but I'm not sure was it good decision or no. Would've rather the 4060 instead
The 14400F comes in two versions. One is the full 12th Gen die cut down to 6+4 cores and L3 cache cut from 30MB to 20MB. The other is the full 13th/14th gen die cut down to 6+4 cores, with the L2 per p core cut to 1.25MB and L3 cut from 36 to 20. The ADL-S version doesn't have the microcode issue, and the RPL-S version probably doesn't. Either way it's somewhat slower than a 12600K with minimal overclocking capability. It's roughly equal to a 5600X for gaming and a 5700X overall and costs quite a bit more than either. In this system with a single DDR 3200 dimm, it will be significantly slower than the 12600K, 13400, and 14400 reviews indicate. You'd have to look up the motherboard's specs and manual to see if it will even support higher RAM speeds. It probably has a second dimm slot for dual channel operation, which would significantly improve performance.
The 4060 got panned because it roughly splits the difference between the 3060 and 3060 Ti, and was about the same price as the Ti when it released. In high vram use scenarios it's worse than the 12GB 3060. Frame generation is much less useful than it is with better 4000 series cards because it doesn't actually increase rendering speed and thus doesn't help with the increased stuttering and higher input latency you get at low framerates.
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Aug 19, 2024 12:31 AM
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MostBasedAug 19, 2024 12:31 AM
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Quote from busybugsy :
What's the PSU? Need a starter AI training box and might upgrade the GPU at some point if I get deeper into it
Go for a RTX 3060 with 12 GB DDR6. Would be better for that purpose at a lower price point.
Aug 19, 2024 05:09 AM
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Dave_BAug 19, 2024 05:09 AM
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Quote from 2Slick2Quit :
Go for a RTX 3060 with 12 GB DDR6. Would be better for that purpose at a lower price point.
Exactly. Or an RTX 4060 16GB card.
For AI, you want an Nvidia card with as much VRAM as you can get within your budget, even if it's previous gen.

8GB VRAM is going to be usable, but will significantly limit what AI models you can run or train.
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Luigis3rdcousinAug 19, 2024 07:07 AM
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Quote from DeadmanM :
With ref to link you've sent, I dont see the i5-14400F there on the list of dodgy chips with extended warranties. Does that mean its OK?
The official Intel list doesn't quite stack up with some companies that have come out publically showing their i5 chips also failing too.. Sadly some reports have come out this past week that the new microcode update doesn't actually fix the problem and some people have reported even higher voltage spikes with the new microcode update. Tech yes city was showing some examples of that. 🤦

Basically Intel wants everyone to run the Intel default settings. And the microcode ONLY works on the default settings. But most people are using the Intel extreme profile, and the microcode doesn't apply for that. But the default settings are pretty brutal and it's like a 35% performance hit 😥

It's one of those things where this computer will probably be fine for the next year but it may start to show signs of degradation , lag and latency issues before it starts to out right crash. And believe it or not, under full load or playing games is when the voltage drops but when on idle and basic tasks is when the volts are spiking way too high

But if you run the latest bios. With Intel default settings it will probably be fine. But it's not gonna perform anywhere near what it was originally rated for.

But basically all Intel i5, i7 and i9 including the k and non k models and that would include the kf and f models too.

Here's an idea. Pop that cpu out and pop in a 12th gen cpu. All the 12th gen is real solid and poses no problems.
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Aug 19, 2024 09:54 AM
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polyspecificAug 19, 2024 09:54 AM
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Intel 14 series with DDR4 is a red flag even if intel wasn't currently cooking transistors like it's a digital bbq
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