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forum threadBrettski posted Sep 04, 2024 08:41 PM
forum threadBrettski posted Sep 04, 2024 08:41 PM

Home Cinema LS11000 4K PRO-UHD Laser Projector - Certified ReNew | Products | Epson US - $2799

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Certified renew ls11000 are in stock. Just grabbed one but panicked and didn't do the usual check for cash back options. My total with tax was $3000

https://epson.com/Certified-ReNew...1HA48020-N
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Certified renew ls11000 are in stock. Just grabbed one but panicked and didn't do the usual check for cash back options. My total with tax was $3000

https://epson.com/Certified-ReNew...1HA48020-N

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Sep 05, 2024 06:12 AM
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kherbinoskieSep 05, 2024 06:12 AM
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The question is, how many hours left on that laser light source that you can never replace.
Sep 09, 2024 10:40 PM
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pauladams11Sep 09, 2024 10:40 PM
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Seems like a decent value. Still considering the pros/cons between this and the "usual suspects" that are in roughly the same range (Benq HT3560, Viewsonic LX700 (single or RGB laser versions), Epson 5050UB). Yes, I know there's a significant price difference in some of these.
Sep 16, 2024 07:21 PM
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turbodogSep 16, 2024 07:21 PM
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Pricing on 98" and 100" tv's should be putting a ton of pressure on the projector market.
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Sep 17, 2024 06:02 PM
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tbob19Sep 17, 2024 06:02 PM
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Quote from turbodog :
Pricing on 98" and 100" tv's should be putting a ton of pressure on the projector market.
I would hope so. I only have a 120" screen and it won't be long that I can probably get a massive upgrade just going to a big TV instead of a projector priced at $6k+ to really see a significant upgrade from my 6050UB like the JVC NZ500 or Epson QB1000. Projectors are looking far less attractive for smaller screens these days.
Oct 05, 2024 03:18 AM
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akmohan01Oct 05, 2024 03:18 AM
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Quote from kherbinoskie :
The question is, how many hours left on that laser light source that you can never replace.
The expected lifespan of around 20,000 hours. That would be 4 years of non-stop running the Projector. It is unlikely that the laser source will fail. And it beats replacing the bulb, laser is more cost-effective in the long run. This is as per the reviews and faq that I have read online. Always better to get an extended warrenty
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Oct 05, 2024 03:18 AM
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akmohan01Oct 05, 2024 03:18 AM
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My Epson 5040ub just failed on me with the dreaded "Cannot change Cinema Filter" .. tempting .. but another Epson ... questions ... questions ...
Oct 05, 2024 04:27 AM
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kherbinoskieOct 05, 2024 04:27 AM
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Quote from akmohan01 :
The expected lifespan of around 20,000 hours. That would be 4 years of non-stop running the Projector. It is unlikely that the laser source will fail. And it beats replacing the bulb, laser is more cost-effective in the long run. This is as per the reviews and faq that I have read online. Always better to get an extended warrenty
What you fail to put in your equation is that laser lamps loses brightness as you use it. Yes it won't burn out at 20,000 hrs but at 5,000 hrs, it will be dimmer than day 1 and it continues to degrade and loses brightness as you use it until it finally burns out at around 20,000hrs.

The brightness of a laser projector decreases at a constant rate, while the brightness of a lamp-based projector decreases rapidly at first and then slows down. At least the lamp-based can be replaced.

There's a graph of this dimming rate out there.
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Oct 05, 2024 02:02 PM
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akmohan01Oct 05, 2024 02:02 PM
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Quote from kherbinoskie :
What you fail to put in your equation is that laser lamps loses brightness as you use it. Yes it won't burn out at 20,000 hrs but at 5,000 hrs, it will be dimmer than day 1 and it continues to degrade and loses brightness as you use it until it finally burns out at around 20,000hrs. The brightness of a laser projector decreases at a constant rate, while the brightness of a lamp-based projector decreases rapidly at first and then slows down. At least the lamp-based can be replaced.There's a graph of this dimming rate out there.
This is what I found ... Agree that is a handicap not being able to replace the Light source .. but it seems unlikely that the laser is the weak point ... there will be other mechanical parts that would go bad before the laser source ...

Laser projectors, including those like the Epson LS11000, generally experience very little dimming over time compared to traditional lamp-based projectors. Here's an overview of the typical dimming rate:
  1. Gradual Dimming:
    • Laser light sources typically lose about 20-25% of their brightness over their rated lifespan, which is often around 20,000 to 30,000 hours. Unlike traditional lamps, which can dim significantly (up to 50%) within just a few thousand hours, laser projectors maintain a much more consistent brightness for the majority of their lifespan​(
      Projector Reviews
      ).
  2. Uniform Dimming:
    • The dimming occurs slowly and uniformly, meaning that users are less likely to notice any sudden drop in brightness until the laser reaches the end of its operational life. The projector is still usable after that, but the reduced brightness may affect the image quality, especially in rooms with ambient light​(
      ProjectorScreen.com
      )​(
      Projector Reviews
      ).
Overall, laser projectors provide much more consistent performance compared to traditional lamp-based models, making them a preferred option for users looking for a long-lasting, reliable light source.
Oct 05, 2024 06:12 PM
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kherbinoskieOct 05, 2024 06:12 PM
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Quote from akmohan01 :
This is what I found ... Agree that is a handicap not being able to replace the Light source .. but it seems unlikely that the laser is the weak point ... there will be other mechanical parts that would go bad before the laser source ...

Laser projectors, including those like the Epson LS11000, generally experience very little dimming over time compared to traditional lamp-based projectors. Here's an overview of the typical dimming rate:
  1. Gradual Dimming:
    • Laser light sources typically lose about 20-25% of their brightness over their rated lifespan, which is often around 20,000 to 30,000 hours. Unlike traditional lamps, which can dim significantly (up to 50%) within just a few thousand hours, laser projectors maintain a much more consistent brightness for the majority of their lifespan​(
      Projector Reviews
      ).
  2. Uniform Dimming:
    • The dimming occurs slowly and uniformly, meaning that users are less likely to notice any sudden drop in brightness until the laser reaches the end of its operational life. The projector is still usable after that, but the reduced brightness may affect the image quality, especially in rooms with ambient light​(
      ProjectorScreen.com
      )​(
      Projector Reviews
      ).
Overall, laser projectors provide much more consistent performance compared to traditional lamp-based models, making them a preferred option for users looking for a long-lasting, reliable light source.
50% brightness loss on lamp is highly exaggerated. They do lose brightness initially but it will degrade slower than laser after that then it burns. Also, bulb replacement of 5050UB will only cost you $50-$150. You can buy 10 bulbs for $500-$1500 and you will outlast the laser lifespan and will always be brighter. Not to mention, the 5050UB is brighter from factory than the LS11000.

But then if we go back to my original post, I was was asking how many hours left on this refurb because none is stated. You'd want to know how much degradation is already there. I think this is a fair question to know.

At $2799 refurb LS1100-, you can get a brandnew 5050UB which is brighter and has deeper blacks and still have a spare change for you to buy 2-4 spare bulbs which is good for additional 5-7 yr depending on your usage.

https://www.amazon.com/Epson-Proj...0857B1DGC/

$2400 for 5050UB is not the best price if I am not mistaken. I think sometimes, you see it lower..
Last edited by kherbinoskie October 5, 2024 at 11:35 AM.
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Oct 06, 2024 04:03 PM
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akmohan01Oct 06, 2024 04:03 PM
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Quote from kherbinoskie :
50% brightness loss on lamp is highly exaggerated. They do lose brightness initially but it will degrade slower than laser after that then it burns. Also, bulb replacement of 5050UB will only cost you $50-$150. You can buy 10 bulbs for $500-$1500 and you will outlast the laser lifespan and will always be brighter. Not to mention, the 5050UB is brighter from factory than the LS11000.But then if we go back to my original post, I was was asking how many hours left on this refurb because none is stated. You'd want to know how much degradation is already there. I think this is a fair question to know.At $2799 refurb LS1100-, you can get a brandnew 5050UB which is brighter and has deeper blacks and still have a spare change for you to buy 2-4 spare bulbs which is good for additional 5-7 yr depending on your usage.https://www.amazon.com/Epson-Proj...0857B1DGC/ $2400 for 5050UB is not the best price if I am not mistaken. I think sometimes, you see it lower..
I owned a refurbished 5040UB, but keep in mind that Epson only provides a warranty if you buy from authorized resellers. Buying from authorized retailers isn't cheap. My projector eventually stopped working, displaying the "Cannot change Cinema Filter" error (check screenshot). When I reached out to Epson for repairs, they quoted me $2,000, despite the bulb having plenty of life left. The picture quality was incredible, especially on my 150-inch screen—it was amazing. But I am out of luck.
To make a fair comparison, purchasing from places like Amazon Marketplace won't get you a warranty from Epson. This deal, however, is directly from Epson and includes a 2-year warranty. You can also add an extra year for $315.
As for the comment that "bulbs lose brightness initially, but degrade slower than laser and then burn out," I disagree. Bulbs tend to lose brightness quickly, while lasers maintain their brightness much longer.
My point is that there are several other issues that can crop up BEFORE the laser fails.
Also - more and more Manufacturers are moving to Laser. Bulb will face death eventually.
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oghowieOct 11, 2024 04:05 PM
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Does Amazon get their renewed ones from Epson or do they do it themselves? It's $3,064.28 on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CQ3X8Y52
Dec 03, 2024 03:30 AM
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vkarthikDec 03, 2024 03:30 AM
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Quote from kherbinoskie :
The question is, how many hours left on that laser light source that you can never replace.

You expect this one to meet the same standard as the new one.

The Epson Certified ReNew Promise.
Every Epson Certified ReNew product goes through a unique, multi-stage process to ensure they meet the same quality standards as new.

Not only do we certify the product is functioning as new, we also ensure the product is cosmetically clean – making Epson Certified ReNew products the smart way to get the latest Epson Technology at a great price.

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