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expiredbuduz0r posted Oct 11, 2024 08:45 PM

Refurbished: 12TB HGST Ultrastar DC HC520 3.5" 7200RPM Enterprise Hard Drive

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goHardDrive Wholesale and Retail via eBay has 12TB HGST Ultrastar DC HC520 SATA 6GB 3.5" 7200RPM Enterprise HDD Hard Drive (HUH721212ALE601, Refurbished: Excellent) on sale for $72.99. Shipping is free.

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Seller Note About Refurbished Condition:
  • "These HDD is used by Datacenter Servers for about 5 years period. HDD was refurbished and data wiped with DoD Standard. It's fully tested & passed HGST factory diagnose software test with ZERO Bad sectors! Since this is a heavy duty enterprise HDD with 2.5M-hour MTBF rating."
Notable Specs:
  • 3.5" Form Factor
  • SATA 6Gb/s Interface
  • 256MB Cache
  • 7.2K RPM Spindle Speed

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  • About this Deal:
    • Includes 5-Year Warranty from Seller + 1-Year Allstate Warranty.
    • Please see the original post for additional details and give the WIKI and forum comments a read for helpful discussion.
  • About this Store:
    • 30 days returns. Seller pays for return shipping.
    • Seller goHardDrive Wholesale and Retail has a 99.8% positive feedback rating with over 524K items sold.

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Written by buduz0r
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goHardDrive Wholesale and Retail via eBay has 12TB HGST Ultrastar DC HC520 SATA 6GB 3.5" 7200RPM Enterprise HDD Hard Drive (HUH721212ALE601, Refurbished: Excellent) on sale for $72.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks Community Member buduz0r for finding this deal.

Seller Note About Refurbished Condition:
  • "These HDD is used by Datacenter Servers for about 5 years period. HDD was refurbished and data wiped with DoD Standard. It's fully tested & passed HGST factory diagnose software test with ZERO Bad sectors! Since this is a heavy duty enterprise HDD with 2.5M-hour MTBF rating."
Notable Specs:
  • 3.5" Form Factor
  • SATA 6Gb/s Interface
  • 256MB Cache
  • 7.2K RPM Spindle Speed

Editor's Notes

Written by citan359 | Staff
  • About this Deal:
    • Includes 5-Year Warranty from Seller + 1-Year Allstate Warranty.
    • Please see the original post for additional details and give the WIKI and forum comments a read for helpful discussion.
  • About this Store:
    • 30 days returns. Seller pays for return shipping.
    • Seller goHardDrive Wholesale and Retail has a 99.8% positive feedback rating with over 524K items sold.

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OrangeSnake211
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I bought 2 and both were DOA. Kinda made me skeptical of their testing/refurbishing. I bought two from another seller on different occasions and both are fine. But I read about more positive experiences from them than mine. Return was pretty seamless as well.
buduz0r
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these are SATA drives, you can use them on your desktop computer, they also provide a power adapter in case you need it.

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Oct 13, 2024 08:49 PM
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pauzeOct 13, 2024 08:49 PM
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I bought two of these drives a couple weeks back to replace drives in my Drivepool array running off a Sabrent USB 3.2 5-bay enclosure connected to a refurb Dell MFF. It took a little over a couple days per drive for HDD Sentinel to reinitialize/scan each sector but both came back with 0 bad sectors. I'm happy with how these turned out, so I'm now buying a third one to replace one more drive in the pool and am open to buying more as my other drives age out or if I need to expand storage.
Oct 13, 2024 09:28 PM
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SpikemonkeyOct 13, 2024 09:28 PM
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I got 2 of these for my new QNAP 464. Turns out they are SED drives and they can't be used without the 32 key PSID and the one on the front is only 20. They worked fine in my old Netgear and desktop though.
Last edited by Spikemonkey October 13, 2024 at 03:32 PM.
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lastwraithOct 14, 2024 03:52 AM
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Quote from DillDozer :
RAID is dead. ZFS is king.
RAID isn't dead. ZFS is another option but RAID is still useful.
Maybe not to a homelab that can just run Unraid and pretend that solves every problem, but at least in the real world.
Oct 14, 2024 03:53 AM
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lastwraithOct 14, 2024 03:53 AM
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Quote from shameless :
Thoughts on energy efficiency vs performance vs cost vs. environmental, etc. compared to the WD Red or similar 5400 RPM? (although tbh I haven't seen any deals on those)
My UNRAID experience with both has been mixed, with these being snappier to respond to network file access, but wondering what others feel is best in a home media/docker server environment with average use.
Where exactly are you getting 5400rpm drives in this size? Because I'd like to be able to contact a parallel universe...
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lastwraithOct 14, 2024 03:56 AM
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Quote from dealwidit :
Compared to WD Reds that run at 5400, how much more Wattage does each of these Server Drives take?

I ask because I'll be running 4 of them in my NAS, and I happen to measure Wattage used per every appliance in my home, it gives me a very accurate estimation of my Power Bill and keeps me from entering higher Billing Tiers from the Power Company.

Not to mention, more power used = More Heat, so just wondering what to expect with Four Server Driver @ 7200rpm compared to my Four WD Reds @ 5400rpms.

Thanks!
You have no choice of any 5400rpm options at approximately 10TB+ so don't even worry about it.
Last edited by lastwraith October 13, 2024 at 10:02 PM.
Oct 14, 2024 03:59 AM
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lastwraithOct 14, 2024 03:59 AM
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Quote from dealwidit :
Thanks for the specs and tips for the Ultrastars! - btw, my Reds @ 5400 are like 10 years old, WD40EFRX. Looks like they Idle at 3.3w, Sleep at 0.4w and Read/Write at 4.5w. Fwiw, compared to the specs provided for Ultrastars, for a Four Drive Nas, it would be 40w under load vs my current Reds @ 18w. If I use the Config you suggested, it would drop down to 32w. Definitely food for thought for myself. Every little bit adds more ambient heat to my room (which is without an AC, lol) - Apprecaite the advice, will be researching options, immediate cost versus heat/power. (Apologies if I sounded a little OCD about this stuff XD.)

Thanks again!
Yeah, those are 5400rpm but they're also 4TB and ancient, so not a useful comparison here sadly. Times have changed in the HDD market and there are no 5400rpm options anymore.

It would be great if they would allow some RPM choice below 7200rpm but there simply isn't any.
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lastwraithOct 14, 2024 04:06 AM
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Quote from Spikemonkey :
I got 2 of these for my new QNAP 464. Turns out they are SED drives and they can't be used without the 32 key PSID and the one on the front is only 20. They worked fine in my old Netgear and desktop though.
You sure it's not on the label like in red here?
https://support-eu.wd.com/app/ans...ital-drive
Pretty sure the PSID for this family IS a 20 digit string.
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Oct 14, 2024 07:07 AM
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MWinkOct 14, 2024 07:07 AM
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Quote from lastwraith :
Yeah, those are 5400rpm but they're also 4TB and ancient, so not a useful comparison here sadly. Times have changed in the HDD market and there are no 5400rpm options anymore.

It would be great if they would allow some RPM choice below 7200rpm but there simply isn't any.
While I don't disagree, I have to wonder if it would even be worthwhile. EPC Idle_C allows the drive to reduce spindle speed (when idle) and it only reduces power consumption by roughly 0.6-1W. That's not a whole lot. Head parking alone (Idle_B) saves 2W. Based on these numbers, I can see why they might not be inclined to make 5400RPM drives.

Quote from dealwidit :
Thanks for the specs and tips for the Ultrastars! - btw, my Reds @ 5400 are like 10 years old, WD40EFRX. Looks like they Idle at 3.3w, Sleep at 0.4w and Read/Write at 4.5w. Fwiw, compared to the specs provided for Ultrastars, for a Four Drive Nas, it would be 40w under load vs my current Reds @ 18w. If I use the Config you suggested, it would drop down to 32w. Definitely food for thought for myself. Every little bit adds more ambient heat to my room (which is without an AC, lol) - Apprecaite the advice, will be researching options, immediate cost versus heat/power. (Apologies if I sounded a little OCD about this stuff XD.)

Thanks again!
Depending on how you look at it, the numbers could be far more appealing for the Ultrastars. Your current drives are only 4TB. Even if they use twice the power, one of these Ultrastars could replace three of your old drives. Per TB of storage, you'd be using less power. I know that may not be the only concern but it's worth considering.

Just to clear things up, the EPC Idle/Standby states don't save power when the drive is active, only after it has been idle for a predetermined amount of time. Some Seagate drives have a feature called PowerBalance, which can reduce active power consumption but it can have a significant impact on certain kinds of performance, for a relatively small power savings. I'm not a fan of that feature and always disable it.

It's worth considering how active your drives are. I don't know what you're using them for but most hard drives spend the vast majority of their time idle. For that reason, I weigh idle power consumption more heavily than the active numbers. As I mentioned before, if your drives spend substantial swaths of time idle, the EPC states can put them in a lower power mode, saving more energy. Be aware, you may also have to tweak some settings to prevent programs querying their SMART status from waking them up.
Oct 15, 2024 10:51 AM
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zpoor17Oct 15, 2024 10:51 AM
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Does anyone know if this would work with the Eufy Homebase 3 for expandable storage?
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lastwraithOct 16, 2024 04:02 AM
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Quote from MWink :
While I don't disagree, I have to wonder if it would even be worthwhile. EPC Idle_C allows the drive to reduce spindle speed (when idle) and it only reduces power consumption by roughly 0.6-1W. That's not a whole lot. Head parking alone (Idle_B) saves 2W. Based on these numbers, I can see why they might not be inclined to make 5400RPM drives.



Depending on how you look at it, the numbers could be far more appealing for the Ultrastars. Your current drives are only 4TB. Even if they use twice the power, one of these Ultrastars could replace three of your old drives. Per TB of storage, you'd be using less power. I know that may not be the only concern but it's worth considering.

Just to clear things up, the EPC Idle/Standby states don't save power when the drive is active, only after it has been idle for a predetermined amount of time. Some Seagate drives have a feature called PowerBalance, which can reduce active power consumption but it can have a significant impact on certain kinds of performance, for a relatively small power savings. I'm not a fan of that feature and always disable it.

It's worth considering how active your drives are. I don't know what you're using them for but most hard drives spend the vast majority of their time idle. For that reason, I weigh idle power consumption more heavily than the active numbers. As I mentioned before, if your drives spend substantial swaths of time idle, the EPC states can put them in a lower power mode, saving more energy. Be aware, you may also have to tweak some settings to prevent programs querying their SMART status from waking them up.
It's clearly not worth it to make 5400rpm drives (I guess), so mfrs don't, but it'd be nice to have the choice.
Slower speeds generally mean less noise, power, and performance, but for write-once/read-many applications where the drive is already plenty fast enough, especially as data density increases and leads to faster throughput.... that's totally fine.
I think a lot of people who just serve media would choose the lower RPM drives if they were able to make a choice.

But that's not a thing so whatever. I just want to put a stop to all the people posting about modern large 5400rpm drives, because someone will believe they exist and that just complicates the current landscape needlessly. You have no choices regarding that specification anymore.
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lastwraithOct 16, 2024 04:04 AM
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Quote from zpoor17 :
Does anyone know if this would work with the Eufy Homebase 3 for expandable storage?
The Eufy homebase takes a 2.5" (laptop style) hard drive from what I see..... So this won't work. This is a 3.5" (desktop style) HDD.

Besides, unless you have a fair amount of Cams AND are doing non-default constant recording, a 1 or 2TB drive should be more than enough in a Eufy Homebase.
One user calculated that with 7 Cams, a 2TB drive would give him 32 months of footage.
Last edited by lastwraith October 15, 2024 at 10:06 PM.
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RubySapiorOct 16, 2024 04:10 AM
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Welp, 1 week. Drive died with 8tb of data. No backup... I'm farked.
Edit: the click of death..
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lastwraithOct 16, 2024 04:13 AM
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Quote from RubySapior :
Welp, 1 week. Drive died with 8tb of data. No backup... I'm farked.
Edit: the click of death..
These drives are great, but not to trust all your data to.... Because no drive should have ALL of your data.
These are perfect for adding to fault-tolerant arrays, since the cost per TB is very cheap.
If you care at all about your data, you should also have backups in addition to hot spares/parity drives in your arrays that are helping with high availability. RAID/spares/parity is not backup.

And for backups, 3 is 2, 2 is 1, and 1 is none.... As they say.

Out of curiosity, did you run a full test on the drive before using it? Most of us who buy these will try to prevent against immediate failures when in our possession by running overnight testing. These drives are essentially a lottery, possibly due to handling during shipping, but probably just because no company is doing much testing of stuff they sell as "refurb".
Refurb means "I get to thoroughly test it" in my experience. As long as the price is right, I'm game.
Last edited by lastwraith October 15, 2024 at 10:17 PM.
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RubySapiorOct 16, 2024 04:15 AM
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Quote from lastwraith :
These drives are great, but not to trust all your data to.... Because no drive should have ALL of your data.
These are perfect for adding to fault-tolerant arrays, since the cost per TB is very cheap.
If you care at all about your data, you should also have backups in addition to hot spares/parity drives in your arrays that are helping with high availability. RAID/spares/parity is not backup.

And for backups, 3 is 2, 2 is 1, and 1 is none.... As they say.
Yea this was temporary and i had 3 more drives being shipped. I needed a single hardrive as I was doing a migration. And it took all my data with it.....
im going to try the freezer.

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Oct 16, 2024 04:18 AM
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lastwraithOct 16, 2024 04:18 AM
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Quote from RubySapior :
Yea this was temporary and i had 3 more drives being shipped. I needed a single hardrive as I was doing a migration. And it took all my data with it.....
im going to try the freezer.
Edited my post, but out of curiosity.... Did the drive pass an overnight testing session of any kind or did you just throw it in?
Not judging either method, just wondering.

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