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Microsoft Surface Pro 11 Tablet: 13” OLED, Snapdragon X Elite, 16GB LPDDR5, 1TB SSD $1199.99

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southwark
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Substantial discount for something that came out like a month ago- are these just not selling?
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Quote from southwark :
Substantial discount for something that came out like a month ago- are these just not selling?
Probably a combination of things. 1. Apple has had steep discounts on their Macbooks for the past year or two. 2. Windows CoPilot doesn't have the greatest press from privacy and security perspective. 3. It's an ARM based device and Windows for ARM while having taken a direction towards Apples renown Rosetta style of interoperability lacks the performance. 4. Windows for ARM development kits weren't provided to most of the major developers until AFTER the launch.
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lip008
Oct 14, 2024
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At the right price may be a great buy assuming you ca run Linux and get the keyboard working.
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Quote from southwark :
Substantial discount for something that came out like a month ago- are these just not selling?
They came out in June.
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DrCJ87
Oct 14, 2024
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I've been looking at the Plus model as an upgrade to my iPad Pro (have some real PC programs that would be nice to have on the go)and the Plus performance is pretty close to the Elite for $500 savings. But when you consider the cost of a 1TB 2230 SSD upgrade for the Plus, it's basically just $100 more for the better processor and OLED screen. That's pretty good.

I know you can get better specs for cheaper, but I really do love the tablet form factor and the flexibility. Think I'll jump on this one.
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Quote from southwark :
Substantial discount for something that came out like a month ago- are these just not selling?
Yepp. I've been buying SPs since the SP4. Never seen such deep discounts so soon after launch. The older x86 SP10 with comparable specs (and an IPS display) still costs $1,999!

SPs are mostly (not exclusively, of course) bought by business people. Most business people want a laptop with no compatibility issues. The sooner the Lunar Lake version comes, the better.
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Quote from 11A :
Yepp. I've been buying SPs since the SP4. Never seen such deep discounts so soon after launch. The older x86 SP10 with comparable specs (and an IPS display) still costs $1,999!

SPs are mostly (not exclusively, of course) bought by business people. Most business people want a laptop with no compatibility issues. The sooner the Lunar Lake version comes, the better.
I think you are putting too much hope into MS releasing a Lunar Lake version of the SP. I think that the future for Surface is ARM.
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Quote from dougpaw57 :
I think you are putting too much hope into MS releasing a Lunar Lake version of the SP. I think that the future for Surface is ARM.
It would not be a smart move of Microsoft not to release a new x86 version of the Surface Pro. As you can see, people are willing to pay almost 2x for the x86 version. My hope is that business sense will prevail. I would think 80%+ of SPs go to corporate buyers. They will not buy ARM anytime soon. I wouldn't buy ARM for my business use.
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Quote from 11A :
It would not be a smart move of Microsoft not to release a new x86 version of the Surface Pro. As you can see, people are willing to pay almost 2x for the x86 version. My hope is that business sense will prevail. I would think 80%+ of SPs go to corporate buyers. They will not buy ARM anytime soon. I wouldn't buy ARM for my business use.
The corporate world is MORE likely to go with ARM. Everything is about productivity software on a business PC, games/gamers are the enemy of ARM processors.
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Quote from 11A :
It would not be a smart move of Microsoft not to release a new x86 version of the Surface Pro. As you can see, people are willing to pay almost 2x for the x86 version. My hope is that business sense will prevail. I would think 80%+ of SPs go to corporate buyers. They will not buy ARM anytime soon. I wouldn't buy ARM for my business use.
What is the issue with ARM for corporate use?? Haven't encountered one roadblock with that architecture. Early for the tech, sure, but it's also fully usable for a business use case.
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Quote from dougpaw57 :
The corporate world is MORE likely to go with ARM. Everything is about productivity software on a business PC, games/gamers are the enemy of ARM processors.
Nope. You've never worked for a large company, have you? Check out how much MS is charging for the utterly inefficient x86 SP10 for Business laptops.
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Quote from parkaverider :
What is the issue with ARM for corporate use?? Haven't encountered one roadblock with that architecture. Early for the tech, sure, but it's also fully usable for a business use case.
It is not. Large corporates have lots of in-house developed software running on their laptop fleets. Regardless, I would never bring an ARM Windows laptop on a business trip. 99% reliability is not good enough. If it has compatibility issues just once a year on an important day, that could be a disaster. Won't take that risk. x86 is buggy enough. But hey, if you like it, buy it. It's a great price on a great laptop.

EIDT: "if you like it, buy it. It's a great price on a great laptop." - is this the reason for the downvotes? Seriously, children, if you like it, go for it. You want to like this deal because it's dirt cheap for a SP. I'd love to like it, too. I was very excited when the Snapdragon X Elite chips came out. I wish they became the dominant platform so app developers put their A Team on the ARM version of their software. As long as ARM has less than 50% mkt share, that won't happen. Apple could switch to ARM "overnight". MS cannot do that.
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Quote from 11A :
Nope. You've never worked for a large company, have you? Check out how much MS is charging for the utterly inefficient x86 SP10 for Business laptops.
These machines aren't even doing well in corporate environments, x86 or ARM. It's because Microsoft has so many firmware and imaging issues with these Surface machines. It's odd considering Microsoft makes the operating system. Also, bad products have to be shipped to Microsoft for repair. Even Microsoft uses Lenovo X1 Yogas in their environment (along with Surface and MacBooks).
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dougpaw57
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Quote from 11A :
Nope. You've never worked for a large company, have you? Check out how much MS is charging for the utterly inefficient x86 SP10 for Business laptops.
I worked for the U.S. Government for over 40 years, they have a pretty refined IT system. What large company have you been working for?
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When these laptops came out a couple of months ago, they held a lot of promise. The addressed the primary shortcoming of the Windows based laptops. Power efficiency and performance. The downside was that X86 compatibility wasn't very good. It was decent. And maybe getting better. They were hoping to follow the path trailed by Apple when they switched from X86 to ARM.

And then Intel came out with Lunar Lake a couple of weeks ago. It righted many of the power efficiency wrongs with X86. And that in turn has wrecked the Snapdragon X Elite party. And people are rushing to buy the Intel based laptops again for running Windows.

A month or so ago I briefly considered buying Snapdragon X based laptop. But they were demanding a premium and I decided to wait. Man, what a difference just a couple of weeks makes.

Competition is good for consumers. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

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