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Creality Sonic Pad Based on Klipper for Ender-3 V2/S1/S1 PRO DIY 3D Printer US $75.99 with coupon code

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Oct 15, 2024 05:04 AM
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ThievingRaccoonOct 15, 2024 05:04 AM
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I bought this for my Ender 3 S1 but returned it after a week of debugging. It's super buggy despite updating to the latest firmware version. I would get 504 Gateway Error whenever I upload a >30MB GCode file via the web interface. I would also get "Cannot Parse Invalid Move Command" when printing large files over USB drive. The weird part is that when I look at the invalid move in the GCode file, it is valid. But somehow an extra character got added when it was parsed. Small files worked fine. My webcam somehow only maxed at 4FPS.
I ended up exporting the printer.cfg file I created with the Sonic Pad and imported it to my Raspberry Pi after installing MainsailOS. It was essentially plug and play. All my problems immediately went away. The best part is that I can do regular software updates at will. I highly recommend MainsailOS which is a preconfigured distro with Klipper, Moonraker, etc. preinstalled. It's available via the regular RaspberryPi OS installer under 3D printer menu. Oh and the same USB webcam got 15FPS. Not having a dedicated display wasn't as cumbersome as I initially thought. I just use my phone with the web interface to do my usual 3D printer tasks.
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VaultTecOct 15, 2024 03:03 PM
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Quote from ThievingRaccoon :
I bought this for my Ender 3 S1 but returned it after a week of debugging. It's super buggy despite updating to the latest firmware version. I would get 504 Gateway Error whenever I upload a >30MB GCode file via the web interface. I would also get "Cannot Parse Invalid Move Command" when printing large files over USB drive. The weird part is that when I look at the invalid move in the GCode file, it is valid. But somehow an extra character got added when it was parsed. Small files worked fine. My webcam somehow only maxed at 4FPS.
I ended up exporting the printer.cfg file I created with the Sonic Pad and imported it to my Raspberry Pi after installing MainsailOS. It was essentially plug and play. All my problems immediately went away. The best part is that I can do regular software updates at will. I highly recommend MainsailOS which is a preconfigured distro with Klipper, Moonraker, etc. preinstalled. It's available via the regular RaspberryPi OS installer under 3D printer menu. Oh and the same USB webcam got 15FPS. Not having a dedicated display wasn't as cumbersome as I initially thought. I just use my phone with the web interface to do my usual 3D printer tasks.
user error, I have been using it for 2 years and works fine.
Oct 15, 2024 07:59 PM
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ThievingRaccoonOct 15, 2024 07:59 PM
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Quote from VaultTec :
user error, I have been using it for 2 years and works fine.
If it is indeed user error, then I would caution anyone buying this thinking it is "plug and play" as advertised. I'm a software engineer with a decade of experience and it isn't "plug and play." It was much simpler to setup a replacement system with a RaspberryPi than to get this thing working. I updated to the latest firmware offered by Creality when I first got it, so it's possible there are problems with that build. I initially bought it for the advertised "plug and play."

The fact that it works fine with files <30MB indicates there's some inherit bug in the dependencies the latest build pulled in. I shouldn't have to do anything different to upload and print files depending on the file size. In the time domain, only prints lasting longer than ~20 hours cause errors.
Oct 15, 2024 08:18 PM
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VaultTecOct 15, 2024 08:18 PM
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Quote from ThievingRaccoon :
If it is indeed user error, then I would caution anyone buying this thinking it is "plug and play" as advertised. I'm a software engineer with a decade of experience and it isn't "plug and play." It was much simpler to setup a replacement system with a RaspberryPi than to get this thing working. I updated to the latest firmware offered by Creality when I first got it, so it's possible there are problems with that build. I initially bought it for the advertised "plug and play."

The fact that it works fine with files <30MB indicates there's some inherit bug in the dependencies the latest build pulled in. I shouldn't have to do anything different to upload and print files depending on the file size. In the time domain, only prints lasting longer than ~20 hours cause errors.
weird that you had to go get a Rasberry Pi as a software engineer. You can install Debian and mainline Klipper onto the sonic pad. I didn't do that I am running stock but it is an option available to you.
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Oct 15, 2024 08:41 PM
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ThievingRaccoonOct 15, 2024 08:41 PM
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weird that you had to go get a Rasberry Pi as a software engineer. You can install Debian and mainline Klipper onto the sonic pad. I didn't do that I am running stock but it is an option available to you.
Glad to hear that option is available now for users. Old reviews indicated that the device was locked down at one point and users didn't even have root access (yuck!). I did not pursue that option because I have old RaspberryPis sitting in drawers in search of a purpose. I didn't see a need to pay $90 (my price at the time) for hardware to roll my own setup if I already had compatible hardware sitting around. The situation was more about frugality than necessity.

Like I said earlier, I just wanted something "plug and play" that runs Klipper and was happy to pay for the convenience. If I'm going through the effort of setting it up from scratch, why wouldn't I just use hardware I have lying around and save myself $90?
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conan1201Oct 15, 2024 09:43 PM
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weird that you had to go get a Rasberry Pi as a software engineer. You can install Debian and mainline Klipper onto the sonic pad. I didn't do that I am running stock but it is an option available to you.
Say it with me "BUT YOU SHOULDNT HAVE TO". Look for the cost of this I can buy a brand new Ender 3 v2 printer. I better not have to install open source software to fix the "add on" which is supposed to make my printer better. He's right going about it with a raspberry pie because lost of people have one for free or cheap. So it's worth it there. Not here
Oct 16, 2024 01:07 AM
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VaultTecOct 16, 2024 01:07 AM
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Quote from conan1201 :
Say it with me "BUT YOU SHOULDNT HAVE TO". Look for the cost of this I can buy a brand new Ender 3 v2 printer. I better not have to install open source software to fix the "add on" which is supposed to make my printer better. He's right going about it with a raspberry pie because lost of people have one for free or cheap. So it's worth it there. Not here
Learn to READ! I said you can if you WANT TO. I........AM.......USING.........it.........WITH.........THE........STOCK........SOFTWARE..........AND........IT.........WORKS.........FINE!


Also where you buying a new Ender 3 V2 for $75? If you already have a Pi just laying around why would you buy one. but for people that don't have a Pi just laying around and people that have a 3D printer and want to move to Klipper $75 is a cheap option! By the time you buy a Pi, a case, power supply, SD card and a screen it is easy to get past the $75 point! I have a Pi in a mini bartop arcade and the 10 inch screen ( not even touchscreen which you would want for Klipper) was more than that by itself.
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Oct 16, 2024 01:51 PM
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ThievingRaccoonOct 16, 2024 01:51 PM
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Learn to READ! I said you can if you WANT TO. I........AM.......USING.........it.........WITH.........THE........STOCK........SOFTWARE..........AND........IT.........WORKS.........FINE! Also where you buying a new Ender 3 V2 for $75? If you already have a Pi just laying around why would you buy one. but for people that don't have a Pi just laying around and people that have a 3D printer and want to move to Klipper $75 is a cheap option! By the time you buy a Pi, a case, power supply, SD card and a screen it is easy to get past the $75 point! I have a Pi in a mini bartop arcade and the 10 inch screen ( not even touchscreen which you would want for Klipper) was more than that by itself.
Lmao. Sorry man, but I'm with @conan1201 on this one.

Your messages definitely do not come across the way you intend it. Everyone can read fine, but we can also read between the lines. The tone of your messages implies that I should do more to make the product work instead of returning it. Here's how I (and probably others) interpret it:

"user error, I have been using it for 2 years and works fine."
Coming off strong initially as dismissive. Just because it's working fine for you for 2 years doesn't mean new users will have the same experience. Software bugs can manifest if I went through a different workflow than you during the initial setup. Not to mention the device is running a different firmware version at setup time than when you set yours up 2 years ago. IIRC the new setup wizard as of a month ago has a different order than a YouTube review dated a year ago. It looks like they took the feedback and fixed this error: https://youtu.be/EkRj0HA30rI?t=277

"weird that you had to go get a Rasberry Pi as a software engineer." (emphasis mine)
Instead of debating the merits of the product as most people will use it out of the box and the way Creality likely intends by advertising it as plug and play, the above sentence's tone reads as if you're more concerned about my decision to resort to a Raspberry Pi instead of trying harder to get the sonic pad to work. I definitely interpreted it the same as @conan1201 and thought, "but I shouldn't have to..." It was also odd to me how personal it sounded, I was curious if you were a Creality employee or someone with a financial stake in the success of the product. Instead, let me slightly rephrase your post to change the tone while conveying what you said you intended to convey:
"For future reference, the Sonic Pad is unlocked now and supports installing Debian and mainline Klipper should you need to. I didn't do that I am running stock but it is an option available to you." This sentence comes off a lot less condescending and keeps the topic focused on the product in question instead of my decision to resort to a different solution.

I already mentioned to Creality the bugs I experienced. But if you're feeling generous, they'd probably fix the bug faster if more people report it as well. Please install the latest firmware, factory reset your device, and go through the setup wizard again. When I was debugging the issue, I could see a small handful of people reporting this problem as well.

In summary:
  1. I'm glad to hear the device is working fine for you, and I'm hoping more users share your experience than mine. But your success does not automatically mean everyone else's experience is "user error." There has to be room for doubt for software bugs to surface because people go through the workflow differently and are using different firmware versions. What if I hit "back" in one of the dialogs in the setup wizard to redo the step and that triggers this bug?
  2. Everyone can read fine. Beyond that, people can read between the lines and interpret tone, emotion, and intent of messages beyond what is exactly written.
Oct 16, 2024 04:40 PM
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VaultTecOct 16, 2024 04:40 PM
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Quote from ThievingRaccoon :
Lmao. Sorry man, but I'm with @conan1201 on this one.

Your messages definitely do not come across the way you intend it. Everyone can read fine, but we can also read between the lines. The tone of your messages implies that I should do more to make the product work instead of returning it. Here's how I (and probably others) interpret it:

"user error, I have been using it for 2 years and works fine."
Coming off strong initially as dismissive. Just because it's working fine for you for 2 years doesn't mean new users will have the same experience. Software bugs can manifest if I went through a different workflow than you during the initial setup. Not to mention the device is running a different firmware version at setup time than when you set yours up 2 years ago. IIRC the new setup wizard as of a month ago has a different order than a YouTube review dated a year ago. It looks like they took the feedback and fixed this error: https://youtu.be/EkRj0HA30rI?t=277

"weird that you had to go get a Rasberry Pi as a software engineer." (emphasis mine)
Instead of debating the merits of the product as most people will use it out of the box and the way Creality likely intends by advertising it as plug and play, the above sentence's tone reads as if you're more concerned about my decision to resort to a Raspberry Pi instead of trying harder to get the sonic pad to work. I definitely interpreted it the same as @conan1201 and thought, "but I shouldn't have to..." It was also odd to me how personal it sounded, I was curious if you were a Creality employee or someone with a financial stake in the success of the product. Instead, let me slightly rephrase your post to change the tone while conveying what you said you intended to convey:
"For future reference, the Sonic Pad is unlocked now and supports installing Debian and mainline Klipper should you need to. I didn't do that I am running stock but it is an option available to you." This sentence comes off a lot less condescending and keeps the topic focused on the product in question instead of my decision to resort to a different solution.

I already mentioned to Creality the bugs I experienced. But if you're feeling generous, they'd probably fix the bug faster if more people report it as well. Please install the latest firmware, factory reset your device, and go through the setup wizard again. When I was debugging the issue, I could see a small handful of people reporting this problem as well.

In summary:
  1. I'm glad to hear the device is working fine for you, and I'm hoping more users share your experience than mine. But your success does not automatically mean everyone else's experience is "user error." There has to be room for doubt for software bugs to surface because people go through the workflow differently and are using different firmware versions. What if I hit "back" in one of the dialogs in the setup wizard to redo the step and that triggers this bug?
  2. Everyone can read fine. Beyond that, people can read between the lines and interpret tone, emotion, and intent of messages beyond what is exactly written.
"Everyone can read fine. Beyond that, people can read between the lines and interpret tone, emotion, and intent of messages beyond what is exactly written." Right make up your own version in your head attribute that version to me then argue from that standpoint. I am not surprised by people doing that these days as it is quite common but it isn't how you have a proper discorse!
Oct 16, 2024 05:29 PM
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ThievingRaccoonOct 16, 2024 05:29 PM
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"Everyone can read fine. Beyond that, people can read between the lines and interpret tone, emotion, and intent of messages beyond what is exactly written." Right make up your own version in your head attribute that version to me then argue from that standpoint. I am not surprised by people doing that these days as it is quite common but it isn't how you have a proper discorse!
I get what you're trying to say, but that's honestly not how I understand English to work. Did your high school English classes not read books and then interpret what it means in the wider context by the authors' tone, situation, and time frame? There's additional context to be gleaned from language beyond what is explicitly written. What you just said is akin to saying, body language should be ignored when talking to people. A lot of context is missing and I don't see that as, "making up my own version in my head" though I can see how it can be interpreted as such and miscommunications can definitely arise as a result. Anyways, we're off in the weeds. Thanks for your data point and have a good day.
Oct 16, 2024 07:06 PM
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VaultTecOct 16, 2024 07:06 PM
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Quote from ThievingRaccoon :
I get what you're trying to say, but that's honestly not how I understand English to work. Did your high school English classes not read books and then interpret what it means in the wider context by the authors' tone, situation, and time frame? There's additional context to be gleaned from language beyond what is explicitly written. What you just said is akin to saying, body language should be ignored when talking to people. A lot of context is missing and I don't see that as, "making up my own version in my head" though I can see how it can be interpreted as such and miscommunications can definitely arise as a result. Anyways, we're off in the weeds. Thanks for your data point and have a good day.
You clearly intrepreted that you should have spent more time getting your sonic pad working I never said that I threw out an available option and like every option available to you in the world you can pick that option or another, you do you! I'm sorry random internet person that I didn't sugar coat or format my comment to be more sensitive to your feels!
When did your even buy and try the Sonic Pad? Did you buy one 3 years ago try it and return it only to come bash it on Slickdeals 3 years later after who knows how many updates have been sent out? I can see how you would have issues getting your Sonic Pad working, you probably intrepreted and read between the lines of the instructions based on their "tone"
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unome
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Well this thread got way off point into a little pissing match. Mad

Funny because a deal that beats a frontpage deal from less than a month ago with 28 TU is, at this moment, 2 TD.

SD is for deals. You don't like it. Move on.
But if you wanted to try a Sonic Pad for the lowest investment possible, not buying used, with a return policy this was your chance.
But now they've raised the price to match the previous deal.
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jadr313Oct 17, 2024 11:56 AM
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Have one, works fine.

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