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If I may -- clean the brew mechanism under hot water (not scalding or the grease will melt, haha, and you need to reapply). And if you can, let the area that houses the brew group dry. Then you can run a dry toothbrush around all the areas, and the coffee just dusts right out. If you can take it outside, you can spray the dust out with compressed air or a wet vac or whatever you have handy. If it's stuck inside, I just take a slightly damp paper towel and get most of it out.
I've had mine for going on 5 years and about 10,000 cups of coffee, and haven't even reapplied any of the grease it came with yet.
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I have this machine and it is a pain to clean all the grounds out of the nooks and crannies inside the machine. The brew group is the standard saeco and easy to deal with. Good for $300 for sure, just expect it to be a pain to clean.
For a person who loves all sorts of roasts, is it "better" to get the 3200? I do 50/50 iced espresso and hot. Thank you!
Only difference is a few preset settings (like the Lungo and Americano button, which you can do manually by just doing a hot water cycle after your espresso finishes -- again, doable but just not as convenient) and temperature settings (so always same temp on this, but I think the temp they chose is perfect and so never miss it when using this over the 3200). -- edit: it appears you can change the temperature with some button presses, but it's a bit cumbersome to a dedicated button.
The entire brew mechanism is identical in all models. The taste of the coffee that comes out is the same.
To me, it's not worth it, but I know people can get finicky. But the 2200 makes good enough espresso that a friend who stayed at our place and used our machine ended up so impressed he bought a (admittedly) higher model Phillips. But that's just the type of person he is, no issue with price. I'm much more quality-for-price driven.
EDIT: I like trying new roasts as well, but...you definitely want to avoid the very oily beans. It won't ruin the machine or anything, but it can start clumping in the brew mechanism, then clog, and even the grinder can clog if it's super oily. I've come close to that point, but have just figured out what beans to stay away from (one type of Starbucks is a known offender, for example).
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I have this machine and it is a pain to clean all the grounds out of the nooks and crannies inside the machine. The brew group is the standard saeco and easy to deal with. Good for $300 for sure, just expect it to be a pain to clean.
If I may -- clean the brew mechanism under hot water (not scalding or the grease will melt, haha, and you need to reapply). And if you can, let the area that houses the brew group dry. Then you can run a dry toothbrush around all the areas, and the coffee just dusts right out. If you can take it outside, you can spray the dust out with compressed air or a wet vac or whatever you have handy. If it's stuck inside, I just take a slightly damp paper towel and get most of it out.
I've had mine for going on 5 years and about 10,000 cups of coffee, and haven't even reapplied any of the grease it came with yet.
Only difference is a few preset settings (like the Lungo and Americano button, which you can do manually by just doing a hot water cycle after your espresso finishes -- again, doable but just not as convenient) and temperature settings (so always same temp on this, but I think the temp they chose is perfect and so never miss it when using this over the 3200). -- edit: it appears you can change the temperature with some button presses, but it's a bit cumbersome to a dedicated button.The entire brew mechanism is identical in all models. The taste of the coffee that comes out is the same. To me, it's not worth it, but I know people can get finicky. But the 2200 makes good enough espresso that a friend who stayed at our place and used our machine ended up so impressed he bought a (admittedly) higher model Phillips. But that's just the type of person he is, no issue with price. I'm much more quality-for-price driven.EDIT: I like trying new roasts as well, but...you definitely want to avoid the very oily beans. It won't ruin the machine or anything, but it can start clumping in the brew mechanism, then clog, and even the grinder can clog if it's super oily. I've come close to that point, but have just figured out what beans to stay away from (one type of Starbucks is a known offender, for example).
Thank you for your very clear explanation! It is greatly appreciated. I think I will grab this one offer posted! Btw, I do have a family member who loves Starbucks. lol I will ban them from using it, unless you know of a machine that can handle oily beans! = )
If I may -- clean the brew mechanism under hot water (not scalding or the grease will melt, haha, and you need to reapply). And if you can, let the area that houses the brew group dry. Then you can run a dry toothbrush around all the areas, and the coffee just dusts right out. If you can take it outside, you can spray the dust out with compressed air or a wet vac or whatever you have handy. If it's stuck inside, I just take a slightly damp paper towel and get most of it out. I've had mine for going on 5 years and about 10,000 cups of coffee, and haven't even reapplied any of the grease it came with yet.
I will try the toothbrush and compressed air! Thank you for the ideas!
Thank you for your very clear explanation! It is greatly appreciated. I think I will grab this one offer posted! Btw, I do have a family member who loves Starbucks. lol I will ban them from using it, unless you know of a machine that can handle oily beans! = )
Oily beans are oily beans. Just physics.
That said, not all Starbucks beans are like that. I still use Starbucks, and if I find the beans too oily and want to use them anyway, I'm just more cognizant of cleaning the brew mechanism a bit more. And by "more" I mean about once every 2 weeks instead of once a month. I'm not religious about it. Is cleanup fun? No. But it's certainly not what I'd call a "pain". No more than 10 minutes, I assure you.
Hit me up if you end up getting it. There are things like swapping water filters and running calcium cleaning cycles that sound daunting, but turn out to just be mainly hands-off running cycles. Enjoy
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We have the 5500 version of this. We rarely use the frother but my daughter does when she visits. It has many options but is probably overkill since we mainly use the coffee, and espresso settings. However, I do like the Cafe Crema setting and I use the "travel mug" setting before driving to work...but you can also run a few "coffee" settings to fill your travel mug. Unless you want all the fancy coffee options get this otherwise wait for a deal on one that has more options. These machines come on sale all the time. Also, they are noisy and you do need to clean them...but we love ours!
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I've had mine for going on 5 years and about 10,000 cups of coffee, and haven't even reapplied any of the grease it came with yet.
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The entire brew mechanism is identical in all models. The taste of the coffee that comes out is the same.
To me, it's not worth it, but I know people can get finicky. But the 2200 makes good enough espresso that a friend who stayed at our place and used our machine ended up so impressed he bought a (admittedly) higher model Phillips. But that's just the type of person he is, no issue with price. I'm much more quality-for-price driven.
EDIT: I like trying new roasts as well, but...you definitely want to avoid the very oily beans. It won't ruin the machine or anything, but it can start clumping in the brew mechanism, then clog, and even the grinder can clog if it's super oily. I've come close to that point, but have just figured out what beans to stay away from (one type of Starbucks is a known offender, for example).
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I've had mine for going on 5 years and about 10,000 cups of coffee, and haven't even reapplied any of the grease it came with yet.
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That said, not all Starbucks beans are like that. I still use Starbucks, and if I find the beans too oily and want to use them anyway, I'm just more cognizant of cleaning the brew mechanism a bit more. And by "more" I mean about once every 2 weeks instead of once a month. I'm not religious about it. Is cleanup fun? No. But it's certainly not what I'd call a "pain". No more than 10 minutes, I assure you.
Hit me up if you end up getting it. There are things like swapping water filters and running calcium cleaning cycles that sound daunting, but turn out to just be mainly hands-off running cycles. Enjoy
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