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Prime Members: Minisforum UM870 Slim Mini PC Barebone: Ryzen 7 8745H, 2x DDR5 5600, USB4, 2x Gen4 M.2 2280, 2.5G Lan, Wi-Fi 6E + BT $311.92

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SPECS:
  • Ryzen 7 8745H 8C/16T 3.8 GHz (4.9 GHz Turbo, 24MB Cache) 54W-645W TDP
  • Radeon 780M Integrated Graphics
  • 2x DDR5 SODIMM Slot, 5600 MHz (96GB max)
  • 2x M.2 2280 PCIe Gen 4x4 NVMe Slot
  • 1x M.2 2230 Slot (Populated with Wi-Fi Card)
  • Wi-Fi 6E 2x2 + Bluetooth 5.3)
  • Ports:
    • 2x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-A 10 Gbps
    • 2x USB 2.0 Type-A
    • 1x USB 4.0 Type-C with DisplayPort (8K@60Hz/4K@240Hz)
    • 1x HDMI 2.1 FRL (Up to 8K@60Hz/4K@120Hz in non-DSC Mode)
    • 1x DisplayPort 1.4 (Up to 4K@120hz 8 bit in non-DSC Mode / 4K@240 Hz 10bit in DSC Mode)
    • 1x 2.5G RJ-45 Ethernet
    • 1x 3.5mm Audio Combo Jack
    • 1x Power Button
    • 1x Reset Hole
  • DC 19V/6.32A 120W Power Supply
  • 130 × 126.5 × 50.4mm(LWH)
  • 0.67Kg

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SPECS:
  • Ryzen 7 8745H 8C/16T 3.8 GHz (4.9 GHz Turbo, 24MB Cache) 54W-645W TDP
  • Radeon 780M Integrated Graphics
  • 2x DDR5 SODIMM Slot, 5600 MHz (96GB max)
  • 2x M.2 2280 PCIe Gen 4x4 NVMe Slot
  • 1x M.2 2230 Slot (Populated with Wi-Fi Card)
  • Wi-Fi 6E 2x2 + Bluetooth 5.3)
  • Ports:
    • 2x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-A 10 Gbps
    • 2x USB 2.0 Type-A
    • 1x USB 4.0 Type-C with DisplayPort (8K@60Hz/4K@240Hz)
    • 1x HDMI 2.1 FRL (Up to 8K@60Hz/4K@120Hz in non-DSC Mode)
    • 1x DisplayPort 1.4 (Up to 4K@120hz 8 bit in non-DSC Mode / 4K@240 Hz 10bit in DSC Mode)
    • 1x 2.5G RJ-45 Ethernet
    • 1x 3.5mm Audio Combo Jack
    • 1x Power Button
    • 1x Reset Hole
  • DC 19V/6.32A 120W Power Supply
  • 130 × 126.5 × 50.4mm(LWH)
  • 0.67Kg

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Nov 23, 2024 11:24 PM
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NinjaverseNov 23, 2024 11:24 PM
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Quote from splunk :
Little spy machines
Believe me, if someone wants to spy using hardware backdoors... They would be doing it on enterprise grade machines. Not enough monetary benefits on these consumer grade devices. That's why all 3 lettered agencies are partnered with Google search n assistant...much easier to backdoor from s/w
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Nov 23, 2024 11:25 PM
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NinjaverseNov 23, 2024 11:25 PM
90 Posts
Quote from Beaverman :
I rather pay another $200 and get
a m4 apple mini that will run circles around this UM870.
Except that...it's $200 to step up RAM + additional $200 to upgrade Storage that is proprietary Apple.
Nov 23, 2024 11:56 PM
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JustyourdadNov 23, 2024 11:56 PM
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No npu, so not going to be a machine for copilot window
Nov 24, 2024 02:19 AM
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MellowMountain4330Nov 24, 2024 02:19 AM
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Quote from bbqboy :
I wish it were easier to find the drivers for this one. I recently bought one and i didn't see them on their website.

I still need to find the wifi and Bluetooth driver.
Try driver booster
Nov 24, 2024 04:11 AM
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NavyJoke6138Nov 24, 2024 04:11 AM
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Quote from lando786 :
Yes you can, and you'd be locked into the 16GB and 256GB storage for the life of the device, and that may be okay for you.
Run circles in what? Synthetic benchmarks? I am pretty sure that for what most people use this type of machines for, you would never notice a difference. Plus if people want to do some light gaming I am pretty sure this machine would run circles around any Mac since many games simply don't exist on a Mac. Don't get me wrong, if you are in Apple ecosystem and don't plan to do any gaming on it the Mac mini is likely a much better option (although probably 100$ more for less RAM and storage in the end) but people have different use cases in mind and Mac mini isn't the right answer for everyone, likely not for most people actually.
Nov 24, 2024 05:38 AM
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InRainbowsNov 24, 2024 05:38 AM
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Quote from Ninjaverse :
Except that...it's $200 to step up RAM + additional $200 to upgrade Storage that is proprietary Apple.
Wait.. I thought the SSD in the M4 Minis was user upgradable??
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Nov 24, 2024 05:39 AM
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InRainbowsNov 24, 2024 05:39 AM
668 Posts
Quote from NavyJoke6138 :
Run circles in what? Synthetic benchmarks? I am pretty sure that for what most people use this type of machines for, you would never notice a difference. Plus if people want to do some light gaming I am pretty sure this machine would run circles around any Mac since many games simply don't exist on a Mac. Don't get me wrong, if you are in Apple ecosystem and don't plan to do any gaming on it the Mac mini is likely a much better option (although probably 100$ more for less RAM and storage in the end) but people have different use cases in mind and Mac mini isn't the right answer for everyone, likely not for most people actually.
What possible gaming could you do on this machine?

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Nov 24, 2024 06:04 AM
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p0tempkinNov 24, 2024 06:04 AM
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Quote from Beaverman :
I rather pay another $200 and get
a m4 apple mini that will run circles around this UM870.
At $500, the UM870 would have 32GB/2TB. The Mac Mini would have 16GB/256GB. Also gaming on a Mac is extremely limited; you're missing out on 90% of games out there.
Nov 24, 2024 06:07 AM
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p0tempkinNov 24, 2024 06:07 AM
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Quote from InRainbows :
Wait.. I thought the SSD in the M4 Minis was user upgradable??
The M4 Mini has a proprietary NAND storage module that is missing the controller, which is onboard the Mini's motherboard. It's not like a consumer SSD which has the controller and NAND storage on the same PCB.
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Nov 25, 2024 01:28 AM
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jackharvestNov 25, 2024 01:28 AM
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Is the Radeon 780M choked by being on a mobile processor, or should I find like a Ryzen 8700G or something with a 780m instead? Basically similar?
Nov 25, 2024 01:49 AM
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p0tempkinNov 25, 2024 01:49 AM
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Quote from jackharvest :
Is the Radeon 780M choked by being on a mobile processor, or should I find like a Ryzen 8700G or something with a 780m instead? Basically similar?
You're GPU limited; this CPU still has a 30k PassMark score, which is the same as the 8700G.
Nov 25, 2024 02:45 AM
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jackharvestNov 25, 2024 02:45 AM
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Quote from p0tempkin :
You're GPU limited; this CPU still has a 30k PassMark score, which is the same as the 8700G.
I mean, I realize the GPU isn't a 4090 or anything, I just want the small footprint of a mini PC with the power of a 780m built-in graphics... but I wasn't sure which would be best:

Ryzen 7 8745H 8C/16T + 780M

or

8700G + 780M

Both have it built in. Both are limited to 5600 MHz on the ram... is it 6's? Google says the 8700G is 12% faster, but, at 34% more energy cost. It's also $255 for the 8700G all by itself, whereas this has a motherboard and chassis included.

I'm so conflicted. Is there anything even faster than a 780M in this footprint? Probably not anywhere near the pricepoint, right?
Nov 25, 2024 05:04 AM
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aplethoraofpinatasNov 25, 2024 05:04 AM
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Quote from jackharvest :
I mean, I realize the GPU isn't a 4090 or anything, I just want the small footprint of a mini PC with the power of a 780m built-in graphics... but I wasn't sure which would be best: Ryzen 7 8745H 8C/16T + 780M or 8700G + 780M Both have it built in. Both are limited to 5600 MHz on the ram... is it 6's? Google says the 8700G is 12% faster, but, at 34% more energy cost. It's also $255 for the 8700G all by itself, whereas this has a motherboard and chassis included. I'm so conflicted. Is there anything even faster than a 780M in this footprint? Probably not anywhere near the pricepoint, right?
8700G uses DDR5. It will be better for CPU than 7850HS/8845HS since it has access to faster RAM ~DDR5 6000.
Note that 8745H lacks the NPU.

880M and 890M are faster, but you'll pay twice as much.
Nov 25, 2024 04:59 PM
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InRainbowsNov 25, 2024 04:59 PM
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Quote from p0tempkin :
The M4 Mini has a proprietary NAND storage module that is missing the controller, which is onboard the Mini's motherboard. It's not like a consumer SSD which has the controller and NAND storage on the same PCB.
So it isn't user upgradable?

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Nov 25, 2024 05:03 PM
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InRainbowsNov 25, 2024 05:03 PM
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Quote from jackharvest :
I'm so conflicted. Is there anything even faster than a 780M in this footprint? Probably not anywhere near the pricepoint, right?
This is what I want to know-where can we get the best performance in this footprint and pricepoint from?
Last edited by InRainbows November 25, 2024 at 10:05 AM.

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