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Model: APC Back-UPS, 1050VA/600W, Floor/Wall Mount, 120V, 8x NEMA 5-15R outlets, USB Type A + C Ports
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As a matter of fact, as an EE who used to design power supplies back in the '90s, I can say that the lifespan of a lead-acid battery that is not cycled frequently can be quite long, typically ranging from 5 to 10 years.
My UPS, which supports my home network, is going on 6 years and still runs for nearly the same amount of time on battery as when I first got it.
In a UPS, where the battery is often kept in a float charge state and is only used during power outages, it should last closer to the upper end of this range, especially if the conditions are optimal...meaning you're not using it in extreme heat or cold, or experiencing frequent outages that fully discharge the battery, to name a few.
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Still the best overall battery for the job and cost.
It's what I am talking about - no innovation in battery tech. How old is the tech? Almost 3/4 of a century and yeah, maybe we have better version of those than in 1950s but I find it hard to believe that we're not able to find better material and/or tech.
It's what I am talking about - no innovation in battery tech. How old is the tech? Almost 3/4 of a century and yeah, maybe we have better version of those than in 1950s but I find it hard to believe that we're not able to find better material and/or tech.
There has been innovation, but it's still really expensive compared to lead acid batteries
LiFePO4 is one example
Just look at all the batteries used for trimmers / saws / and so on, they are crazy expensive, often times, the batteries alone are more expensive than the tool, so people just keep buying new tools w/ "free" batteries, instead of the batteries alone
yeah, there are some 3rd party batteries that are cheaper, but most consumers will just toss and buy a new tool (or in this case, a UPS)
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Thank you for the detailed explanation. That is the complete opposite to what I have experienced. I use 5-6 UPS anytime to power different systems and on average, they die in 3-4 years. I stopped buying Cyberpower as you can't swap the batteries - that one had seen very gentle usage. Another one I bought to replace an APC one this year because it'd start beeping 5 minutes after any load is put on (switching on a PC) and go into a power outage stage, falsely. I don't see power outages, 1 or 2 a year at most and those are brownouts. The battery on taht unit was also not replaceable so I had to throw it out.
Maybe you got a really good batch or the quality has degraded over years because of "planned obsolecense". I bought the LifePO one this time and whether it does any better or not, we'll have to wait and see.
I have about a dozen UPS at home used over the past 20 years, so I have some data based on my personal experience. I experience about 2-3 power failures a year, so they are not cycled that much. These sealed lead acid batteries tend to die in 3-4 years. I started replacing them with AGM batteries, as the cost of AGM was not that much more. I have found that AGM batteries last 50% longer or more - well worth the 20% additional cost. So to me, the sweet spot for UPC batteries are these deep cycle AGM batteries.
Appears to use a standard single Sealed Lead Acid Battery 12v 9.4ah. That's not a lot of staying power, and it's going to need to be regularly replaced. Sad we don't see many LiFePO4 UPS models yet since the lifespan is supposed to be so much better?
I bought and am using a ecoflow 3 plus that has 1000wh of LiFePO4 battery. I'm running 650 watts on it with two computers, monitors and routing/switching gear and it says it has 2.5 days of runtime if the grid drops. I don't care that it doesn't plug into the computer to tell it to shut down, and it has sine wave and 10ms switchover, which is short enough to not cause any problems. It cost a bunch more than this one, but yeah the LiFePO4 should last more than a decade especially if it isn't cycled.
These things are lifesavers. I've probably bought like 15 of these (not sure on the brand). Helps with cable management too when you aren't trying to stretch a cable to its max and want it to have some slack.
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I bought and am using a ecoflow 3 plus that has 1000wh of LiFePO4 battery. I'm running 650 watts on it with two computers, monitors and routing/switching gear and it says it has 2.5 days of runtime if the grid drops. I don't care that it doesn't plug into the computer to tell it to shut down, and it has sine wave and 10ms switchover, which is short enough to not cause any problems. It cost a bunch more than this one, but yeah the LiFePO4 should last more than a decade especially if it isn't cycled.
You're kidding right? You understand that 1000 wh (watt hour) means that you can run 1000watt worth of stuff for 1 hr exactly if the battery is 100% charged, yeah? So if you're running 650 watts between all your devices, you'll have exactly 1000 / 650 = 1.58346 hours worth of run time on that ecoflow 3 plus. You categorically and 100% won't be getting 2.5 days of runtime on a 1000wh battery. I have nothing against EcoFlow. I have 5 EcoFlow batteries. 3 x 2kWh hrs and 2 x 2kWh batteries spread around 2 properties but they absolutely won't last as long as you think they'll last if power goes out.
Wouldn't one of the Ecoflow gen 3 batteries be better for most applications? Bigger newer battery tech, longer warranty, multiple usage scenarios. I guess pricing would be double this (for now) but LIFEP04 pricing has been dropping like a rock
Yes, but Ecoflow designed their devices to be portable generators so while you can use one as a UPS if you own it for something else (like camping, etc), buying one specifically to be used AS a UPS would be overkill.
You get a replacement battery from a local store if possible, I looked this up and I can get a replacement for $20 -$25 plus local tax.
Those are often junk. Although sometimes you can find a diamond in the rough.
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Yes it's common. You want to find a quality third party replacement battery. It will save you a lot of money.
Rare, but yes you can.
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Still the best overall battery for the job and cost.
Not really. You can find Lithium based UPSs now for a bit more, but worth it for a guaranteed ~10 year lifespan.
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My modem and smart hub draws 34 watts, does that mean this can power the two of those units for 17.64 hours or do I need to factor in something else?
No, you'd get about an hour and a little bit. I don't know the details behind that number.
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I just ordered one of these "Goldenmate" UPS, they seem to be the only ones selling LiFePO4 ones - https://a.co/d/3TUopkb
No communication with the computer for auto-shutdown, but if the battery lasts a full hour less of a concern.
Ecoflow River 3 Plus is LiFePO4 and supposed to also be good for UPS (<10 ms failover), but not even up for preorder yet.
Amazing UPS. There are complaints about the smell and that is for real when you use it for the first time, for about 12 hours. There's also the fan noise that kicks in when power correction is happening and it switches to battery for a while but other than that, I can't recommend it enough and don't know why all UPS manuf. haven't gone this route by now (other than being lazy).
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As a matter of fact, as an EE who used to design power supplies back in the '90s, I can say that the lifespan of a lead-acid battery that is not cycled frequently can be quite long, typically ranging from 5 to 10 years.
My UPS, which supports my home network, is going on 6 years and still runs for nearly the same amount of time on battery as when I first got it.
In a UPS, where the battery is often kept in a float charge state and is only used during power outages, it should last closer to the upper end of this range, especially if the conditions are optimal...meaning you're not using it in extreme heat or cold, or experiencing frequent outages that fully discharge the battery, to name a few.
I own quite a few big UPSs (APC and Cyberpower 1500VA Sinewave stuff) and some lower stuff as well and this is nowhere close to my experience with any of them. I live in FL and I don't get very many power outages, fluctuations, brownouts/blackouts, except for when Hurricanes swoop in (which is less often for my area than one might think watching the news/weather) and I get a maximum of about 4 years and minimum of 2 on my batteries. It's why I went investigating Lithium UPSs in the first place. And I'm not talking about third party batteries, I'm talking about the ones APC and Cyberpower brands as their own (we all know they just rebrand generics anyway, just peel the sticker off). So if you're getting 5 to 10 years on Sealed Batteries, you sir are encountering some kind of miracle, or maybe I'm just unlucky.
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What if you plugged an Anker or similar in between the UPS and computer to give it a longer time to shutdown?
What do you mean? If you mean putting anything like another UPS or power tap or surge device between a UPS and what's being plugged into it, don't....never, ever, just don't.
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I already have an APC for my desktop. Trying to justify jumping on this, but laptops don't need one and neither does an $100 TV.
I put one on my fiber modem (this has one to itself), each mesh router in my home (3), my security and smart hub (eufy, smartthings, smart life compatible zigbee/z-wave etc.), my TV entertainment areas (which generally include a TV, Apple TV, Sub/Sound, an Echo device, and in the case of my Family Room, the Xbox), 2 PCs (mine and my son's), 1 lamp in every room/area in my home is connected to one and finally my Garage Door Opener (MyQ and actual motor) and a Camera in my Garage.
If you get creative, you'll find a use
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Would this be good for my Synology?
Absolutely. And if you plug the USB port in the Synology will be able to shut down or go into back up mode or whatever power protection mode it has, based on the settings.
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I have about a dozen UPS at home used over the past 20 years, so I have some data based on my personal experience. I experience about 2-3 power failures a year, so they are not cycled that much. These sealed lead acid batteries tend to die in 3-4 years. I started replacing them with AGM batteries, as the cost of AGM was not that much more. I have found that AGM batteries last 50% longer or more - well worth the 20% additional cost. So to me, the sweet spot for UPC batteries are these deep cycle AGM batteries.
Interesting. Will look into AGM, thank you for this.
Same experience for me regarding SLA.
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I bought and am using a ecoflow 3 plus that has 1000wh of LiFePO4 battery. I'm running 650 watts on it with two computers, monitors and routing/switching gear and it says it has 2.5 days of runtime if the grid drops. I don't care that it doesn't plug into the computer to tell it to shut down, and it has sine wave and 10ms switchover, which is short enough to not cause any problems. It cost a bunch more than this one, but yeah the LiFePO4 should last more than a decade especially if it isn't cycled.
I'm 99% sure it is not going to get 2.5 days of runtime and if it's showing you that number, something is drastically off in however it is calculating that number/time. I could understand that you'll see that number if the PCs are sleeping, but if you're at 650w active load for everything, you're going to get about 1.5 hrs max, a bit less....I mean, unless you have an extra battery or 2 you're not mentioning . The best way to know is to try it. Plug it out and see if the number adjusts. You'll get 2.5 days if you plug in a router or a modem, so it'd make sense if you looked at it and it said 2.5 days with the router and switches drawing power while the PCs and Monitors sleep.
Received mine today, and it's lit for Christmas, meaning red and green flashing lights, which apparently means a bad battery. Maybe I'll get a working unit next year.
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My UPS, which supports my home network, is going on 6 years and still runs for nearly the same amount of time on battery as when I first got it.
In a UPS, where the battery is often kept in a float charge state and is only used during power outages, it should last closer to the upper end of this range, especially if the conditions are optimal...meaning you're not using it in extreme heat or cold, or experiencing frequent outages that fully discharge the battery, to name a few.
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LiFePO4 is one example
Just look at all the batteries used for trimmers / saws / and so on, they are crazy expensive, often times, the batteries alone are more expensive than the tool, so people just keep buying new tools w/ "free" batteries, instead of the batteries alone
yeah, there are some 3rd party batteries that are cheaper, but most consumers will just toss and buy a new tool (or in this case, a UPS)
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Maybe you got a really good batch or the quality has degraded over years because of "planned obsolecense". I bought the LifePO one this time and whether it does any better or not, we'll have to wait and see.
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No communication with the computer for auto-shutdown, but if the battery lasts a full hour less of a concern.
Ecoflow River 3 Plus is LiFePO4 and supposed to also be good for UPS (<10 ms failover), but not even up for preorder yet.
My UPS, which supports my home network, is going on 6 years and still runs for nearly the same amount of time on battery as when I first got it.
In a UPS, where the battery is often kept in a float charge state and is only used during power outages, it should last closer to the upper end of this range, especially if the conditions are optimal...meaning you're not using it in extreme heat or cold, or experiencing frequent outages that fully discharge the battery, to name a few.
If you get creative, you'll find a use
Same experience for me regarding SLA.
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