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MemTest Question

935 January 5, 2025 at 02:39 PM
Neighbor brought me a 10+ year old E-Machine desktop. Nothing special.

Problem is it boots to Windows and then within a minute or so gives a BSOD with STOP code CRITICAL PROCESS DIED.

I'm fairly certain I could just reinstall Windows and get things up and running but I figured I'd test the memory first.

I can't get MemTest to run. Created two separate bootable USB drives from the Passmark utility. Confirmed both USB drives work properly by using them on my own equipment. When I boot the E-Machines PC to either of the USB drives (they get recognized by BIOS), it just gives me a blinking white cursor. I let it sit overnight just to make sure.

I also disconnected both the hard drive and DVD drive, same results. Any idea what could cause this?
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01-05-2025 at 03:53 PM.
01-05-2025 at 03:53 PM.
Figured it out. Old BIOS that don't support UEFI require legacy MemTest v4.

Scanned the PC, no memory issues.

Pretty sure I'm dealing with either a corrupt Windows file or some sort of virus. Not willing to pull the drive and hook it up to my machine as I have no idea if it's virus-laden and I can't get into Windows to scan for viruses.

I used to use Bart's PE as a bootable environment to handle stuff like this, I see it's discontinued. Quick googling points me to Hiren's BootCD but I see it doesn't support non-UEFI BIOS.

Anyone have any recommendations for a bootable environment that will allow me to scan the drive for viruses?

Any other suggestions are appreciated. Neighbor wants to ensure that any pictures on the drive are saved, otherwise I'd just format and reinstall Windows.
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jkee
01-06-2025 at 01:27 AM.
01-06-2025 at 01:27 AM.
Quote from ChinaRider :
Figured it out. Old BIOS that don't support UEFI require legacy MemTest v4.

I used to use Bart's PE as a bootable environment to handle stuff like this, I see it's discontinued. Quick googling points me to Hiren's BootCD but I see it doesn't support non-UEFI BIOS.
I'd say that computer is definitely older than 10 years. UEFI started replacing BIOS as early as 2006 (common by '08 or '09). Fairly safe to say there's not much life left in that computer or it's hard drive.

Just pull the drive and help transfer files using a USB adapter.

If for some reason you were determined to make it function, replacing the drive with a cheap ssd would be the best option. A machine running Windows 7, Vista, or XP shouldn't be connected to the internet.
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01-06-2025 at 12:29 PM.
01-06-2025 at 12:29 PM.
Quote from jkee :
I'd say that computer is definitely older than 10 years. UEFI started replacing BIOS as early as 2006 (common by '08 or '09). Fairly safe to say there's not much life left in that computer or it's hard drive.

Just pull the drive and help transfer files using a USB adapter.

If for some reason you were determined to make it function, replacing the drive with a cheap ssd would be the best option. A machine running Windows 7, Vista, or XP shouldn't be connected to the internet.
Thanks. Plenty of life left for what my neighbor uses it for. Not sure about the Windows version yet but the desktop looks to be the default Windows 10 image...

I pointed out to him that he could buy an identical hard drive for $30. He hasn't gotten back to me yet.

In the meantime, I'd rather boot into some environment where I can scan the drive rather than connecting it to any of my machines. Anyone have suggestions given that my old go-to (BartPE) is decommissioned?
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01-06-2025 at 11:12 PM.
01-06-2025 at 11:12 PM.
Quote from ChinaRider :
Thanks. Plenty of life left for what my neighbor uses it for. Not sure about the Windows version yet but the desktop looks to be the default Windows 10 image...

I pointed out to him that he could buy an identical hard drive for $30. He hasn't gotten back to me yet.

In the meantime, I'd rather boot into some environment where I can scan the drive rather than connecting it to any of my machines. Anyone have suggestions given that my old go-to (BartPE) is decommissioned?
I get the sentiment, but it is worth remembering that support for Windows 10 ends this October. I've also seen a fair amount of computers from 2012-2013 physically fail in the last year. 2013 is the last year computers were produced under the emachines brand.

It's also worth noting that on some computers there's a setting that controls if it appears like a legacy bios or uefi to the OS. It has it's downsides, but you can make old hardware run Chrome OS Flex. https://www.zdnet.com/article/ins...headaches/

If you look into the bios settings, you may be able to change a setting so that Hiren's will boot. You may also be able to format and partition a bootable flash drive so it uses an MBR partition table instead of GUID/GPT. There's probably some trick that works to get HBCD to load. If nothing else, there are older versions that will work. You also might be able to PXE boot a HBCD image over the network.

If it's virus infested, if may not be worth the time to do anything but reinstall windows leaving user files intact. If you scan for viruses in a PE environment, you generally have to do it again once you boot back to the OS.

Minimum try to back up their files to a 128 GB flash drive.
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01-06-2025 at 11:19 PM.
01-06-2025 at 11:19 PM.
Quote from ChinaRider :
Neighbor brought me a 10+ year old E-Machine desktop. Nothing special.

Problem is it boots to Windows and then within a minute or so gives a BSOD with STOP code CRITICAL PROCESS DIED.
Also note, that specific error can be indicative of hard drive failure. I'd focus more of backing up whatever data you can than wasting what little life the drive may have scanning for viruses

On failing drives it can be more useful to use software like Ultracopier or TerraCopy instead of just drag and drop to copy files as the whole process won't just stop when there an error.
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01-07-2025 at 10:17 AM.
01-07-2025 at 10:17 AM.
Quote from jkee :
If you look into the bios settings, you may be able to change a setting so that Hiren's will boot. You may also be able to format and partition a bootable flash drive so it uses an MBR partition table instead of GUID/GPT. There's probably some trick that works to get HBCD to load. If nothing else, there are older versions that will work. You also might be able to PXE boot a HBCD image over the network.
Thanks for all of the replies. I completely agree with you about the absurdity of 'fixing' this machine, but it's not just a neighbor but a good friend so I'm more than happy to lend my skills to what he wants. Funny thing is he just got a pretty nice laptop for Christmas that blows this machine out of the water, but he still wants to have this desktop...

Thanks for the suggestions on getting HBCD to load... Haven't tried yet as I was able to boot to Windows install media and run a repair. Now I can get into Windows successfully.

Turns out it's Windows 10 and trying to run on 6GB of memory. Ha! No viruses. Hard drive scan shows no issues. I guess he's back in business for whatever it is he intends to do with this workhorse!

Thanks again for your help. Cheers!
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