Jurassic Park: Dolby Vision & Atmos Upgrade Edition (4K UHD + Blu-ray + Digital)

Slimeyface

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Damn…so for those of us who bought this on 4K disc previously…

we now have to upgrade again ??

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lilbabykenny

Feb 07, 2026 06:31 AM

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Quote from awdspyder

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For the most part, this is accurate - discs trump the stream. This is true of picture quality and bitrate, but especially audio quality. Will you notice it? It really depends on the home theater. If you're 10 feet from a 65" screen, then it's very unlikely you will notice any difference. If you have a large OLED and sit so that you have a 45* field of view, there are certainly movies where you will notice more detail - especially in the shadow detail and highlights.Audio quality differences are probably more perceptible if you have a good system - meaning, plenty of clean amplification (no, you don't necessarily need separates), good neutral speakers, with enough power handling to reach reference volume at your seating distance, and two (or more) subwoofers, capable of pressurizing your space down to 20 Hz and positioned to provide uniform base across the seating area. Equally as important are the room treatments and bass trapping, plus a decent room correction program.If you don't have (or care about) such things, then the stream is probably fine. I'd say this is the case for more than 90% of people out there. Home theater nuts who obsess about room correction and sound absorption are certainly the exception, not the rule.Lastly, the exception to all of this is Kaleidescape, which provides digital downloads with very high bitrates and file sizes that are, in many cases, LARGER than the disc. In some cases, Kaleidescape offers the single-best copy of a movie available to the average consumer (there are even crazier ways to consume content if you're Tom Cruise or Jeff Bezos). Of course, Kaleidescape is a premium service, uses proprietary file formats, and only runs on their rather expensive (relatively speaking) equipment.

He is correct, I just finished by theaters room treatments tonight and ran my room correction software. For example I recently bought the Jurassic 7 movie collection after already having them all in 4k, solely because the 7 movie collection included Dolby vision on all the discs.

lilbabykenny

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Quote from Slimeyface

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Damn…so for those of us who bought this on 4K disc previously…we now have to upgrade again ??

Yes, unfortunately. I just had to upgrade my set. If you buy the 4k 7 movie collection, it included Dolby vision and Atmos on all of them.

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For the most part, this is accurate - discs trump the stream. This is true of picture quality and bitrate, but especially audio quality. Will you notice it? It really depends on the home theater. If you're 10 feet from a 65" screen, then it's very unlikely you will notice any difference. If you have a large OLED and sit so that you have a 45* field of view, there are certainly movies where you will notice more detail - especially in the shadow detail and highlights.Audio quality differences are probably more perceptible if you have a good system - meaning, plenty of clean amplification (no, you don't necessarily need separates), good neutral speakers, with enough power handling to reach reference volume at your seating distance, and two (or more) subwoofers, capable of pressurizing your space down to 20 Hz and positioned to provide uniform base across the seating area. Equally as important are the room treatments and bass trapping, plus a decent room correction program.If you don't have (or care about) such things, then the stream is probably fine. I'd say this is the case for more than 90% of people out there. Home theater nuts who obsess about room correction and sound absorption are certainly the exception, not the rule.Lastly, the exception to all of this is Kaleidescape, which provides digital downloads with very high bitrates and file sizes that are, in many cases, LARGER than the disc. In some cases, Kaleidescape offers the single-best copy of a movie available to the average consumer (there are even crazier ways to consume content if you're Tom Cruise or Jeff Bezos). Of course, Kaleidescape is a premium service, uses proprietary file formats, and only runs on their rather expensive (relatively speaking) equipment.

OK, going to have to add here since there's a lot of generalizing and exaggeration, especially on the audio side.

Way to long to explain, cliff notes version:
On picture, the chain goes content>device delivery>display.
There is A LOT that happens from content to actual viewing that affects picture quality.
A key factor is the quality of all 3 of those.
Streaming from the very start is in the hole already.

Another key factor with all this is forms of HDR.
Current displays can't even take full advantage of what static HDR offers let alone dynamic HDR.
The difference between the two can vary widely with disc, streaming TBH is kinda a moot point.

Audio wise, this all or nothing description is kinda silly.
Is it the ideal scenario, very much so.
Do need it to surpass streaming, most definitely not!
As a matter of fact a solid base layer 5.1 setup BR disc easily surpasses Atmos streaming.

TBH you should have that prior to upgrading to object based codecs.
When you do, two pairs of placements is pretty much mandatory to make it worthwhile ime.
Proper implementation is vital but people often don't want to go through the hassle.
Too often people also cut corners with quality and or put the cart before the horse.
Kaleidescape is a good example of this.

IF the actual percentage is 90, I would say they are fine with it because they've never heard the actual difference.
This is especially true regarding object based codecs, most people have never heard a properly implemented one.

People like to say ignorance is bliss, it definitely applies with this ime.

Last edited by supermanrob February 7, 2026 at 05:16 AM.

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swissguard

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Quote from lilbabykenny

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Yes, unfortunately. I just had to upgrade my set. If you buy the 4k 7 movie collection, it included Dolby vision and Atmos on all of them.

This is likely the best way to upgrade (vs. individual movies), though since this is Universal Studios I expect the set will eventually get down to $70 (if not $45) on gruv.

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mrk43

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Quote from awdspyder

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For the most part, this is accurate - discs trump the stream. This is true of picture quality and bitrate, but especially audio quality. Will you notice it? It really depends on the home theater. If you're 10 feet from a 65" screen, then it's very unlikely you will notice any difference. If you have a large OLED and sit so that you have a 45* field of view, there are certainly movies where you will notice more detail - especially in the shadow detail and highlights.

Audio quality differences are probably more perceptible if you have a good system - meaning, plenty of clean amplification (no, you don't necessarily need separates), good neutral speakers, with enough power handling to reach reference volume at your seating distance, and two (or more) subwoofers, capable of pressurizing your space down to 20 Hz and positioned to provide uniform base across the seating area. Equally as important are the room treatments and bass trapping, plus a decent room correction program.

If you don't have (or care about) such things, then the stream is probably fine. I'd say this is the case for more than 90% of people out there. Home theater nuts who obsess about room correction and sound absorption are certainly the exception, not the rule.

Lastly, the exception to all of this is Kaleidescape, which provides digital downloads with very high bitrates and file sizes that are, in many cases, LARGER than the disc. In some cases, Kaleidescape offers the single-best copy of a movie available to the average consumer (there are even crazier ways to consume content if you're Tom Cruise or Jeff Bezos). Of course, Kaleidescape is a premium service, uses proprietary file formats, and only runs on their rather expensive (relatively speaking) equipment.

You also own it.. digital, even owned, can be pulled at anytime.

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awdspyder

Feb 07, 2026 05:53 PM

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Rob,

I know you like to wax poetic, so let's discuss.

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OK, going to have to add here since there's a lot of generalizing and exaggeration, especially on the audio side.

Of course it's a generalization! We can delve into the physics of audio reproduction and share REW graphs if you'd like - do you really think this audience cares or wants to read the Harmon whitepapers? That said, please, do name one thing I exaggerated about.

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Way to long to explain, cliff notes version:
On picture, the chain goes content>device delivery>display.
There is A LOT that happens from content to actual viewing that affects picture quality.
A key factor is the quality of all 3 of those.
Streaming from the very start is in the hole already.

I don't disagree with this statement. Nothing I said contradicts this.

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Another key factor with all this is forms of HDR.
Current displays can't even take full advantage of what static HDR offers let alone dynamic HDR.
The difference between the two can vary widely with disc, streaming TBH is kinda a moot point.

Agreed, it fully depends on the mastering device and creator's intent; just seemed a bit outside the scope of this discussion. That said, we are starting to see displays that can hit close to 10,000 nits in a 10% window. It's possible that it won't be long before we won't need tone mapping at all.

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Audio wise, this all or nothing description is kinda silly.
Is it the ideal scenario, very much so.
Do need it to surpass streaming, most definitely not!
As a matter of fact a solid base layer 5.1 setup BR disc easily surpasses Atmos streaming.

Rob, man, you pulled this out of thin air. Or perhaps you just incorrectly inferred what I said. Nowhere did I say audio is all or nothing. Reread what I wrote - I said differences in audio are likely more perceptible than video with a good system and room treatments between a disc and stream. Nowhere did I say a good base layer from a disc is worse than an Atmos stream - I believe the opposite in fact.

The point is simply that given a Atmos track (or 5.1, 7.1 whatever) from a stream vs. disc, I firmly believe that you won't hear the differences from a crappy soundbar in a giant open-concept living room with vaulted ceilings and 2s RT60 times, where you definitely will from a properly set up room with good equipment. I love discs (even more than Kaliedescape, for reasons), but if someone has no plans to upgrade from their TV speakers and have a 23* FOV from the 65" TV over the fireplace it's flat-out disingenuous to tell them, "the disc will be SUCH a better experience!"

Is it objectively better? Yes. Will they discern it? Not a chance.

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TBH you should have that prior to upgrading to object based codecs.
When you do, two pairs of placements is pretty much mandatory to make it worthwhile ime.
Proper implementation is vital but people often don't want to go through the hassle.
Too often people also cut corners with quality and or put the cart before the horse.
Kaleidescape is a good example of this.

Totally agree, I think people should also do room treatments much earlier in the process. You should have a good 5.2 base layer before Atmos. You should have dual subs properly placed and measurements with REW and proper RT60 times. Proper placement of the base layer and Atmos speakers are critically important. I would go as far as to say a properly setup 5.2 system is preferable to an improperly set up 7.1 or 7.2.6 system (i.e. not enough distance from the rear surrounds). Setup is unfortunately an afterthought at best for most people and "moar speakers!" can be detrimental in many cases.

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IF the actual percentage is 90, I would say they are fine with it because they've never heard the actual difference.
This is especially true regarding object based codecs, most people have never heard a properly implemented one.

I wish you were correct, but I must strongly disagree here. This hobby is a niche of a niche. I know because I evangelize all the time. I have coworkers and friends experience my HT. They're blown away, and leave grinning every time. Not one has even bought a receiver and speakers. Most don't have an enclosed rectangular space or light control. Most can't justify the price tag, even for something like an Elac Debut/SVS SB1000 5.1 setup.

Nuts like me? I buy my house based on where the HT space is going to go.

And if - IF - you could convince people to buy more than one sub, you can be damn sure they'll be placed at the front of the room, right next to the right and left speaker with no consideration to how 60-ft long sound waves interact in a small space. The bottom line is that most people just don't care, even when they can hear and acknowledge the differences that can be had.

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awdspyder

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You also own it.. digital, even owned, can be pulled at anytime.

100%. And as much as I like it, even Kaleidescape can go away. Unless you have REAL deep pockets, you're not storing a 1500 movie collection in its entirety on the Kaleidescape storage.

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supermanrob

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Rob,I know you like to wax poetic, so let's discuss.Of course it's a generalization! We can delve into the physics of audio reproduction and share REW graphs if you'd like - do you really think this audience cares or wants to read the Harmon whitepapers? That said, please, do name one thing I exaggerated about.I don't disagree with this statement. Nothing I said contradicts this.Agreed, it fully depends on the mastering device and creator's intent; just seemed a bit outside the scope of this discussion. That said, we are starting to see displays that can hit close to 10,000 nits in a 10% window. It's possible that it won't be long before we won't need tone mapping at all.Rob, man, you pulled this out of thin air. Or perhaps you just incorrectly inferred what I said. Nowhere did I say audio is all or nothing. Reread what I wrote - I said differences in audio are likely more perceptible than video with a good system and room treatments between a disc and stream. Nowhere did I say a good base layer from a disc is worse than an Atmos stream - I believe the opposite in fact. The point is simply that given a Atmos track (or 5.1, 7.1 whatever) from a stream vs. disc, I firmly believe that you won't hear the differences from a crappy soundbar in a giant open-concept living room with vaulted ceilings and 2s RT60 times, where you definitely will from a properly set up room with good equipment. I love discs (even more than Kaliedescape, for reasons), but if someone has no plans to upgrade from their TV speakers and have a 23* FOV from the 65" TV over the fireplace it's flat-out disingenuous to tell them, "the disc will be SUCH a better experience!"Is it objectively better? Yes. Will they discern it? Not a chance.Totally agree, I think people should also do room treatments much earlier in the process. You should have a good 5.2 base layer before Atmos. You should have dual subs properly placed and measurements with REW and proper RT60 times. Proper placement of the base layer and Atmos speakers are critically important. I would go as far as to say a properly setup 5.2 system is preferable to an improperly set up 7.1 or 7.2.6 system (i.e. not enough distance from the rear surrounds). Setup is unfortunately an afterthought at best for most people and "moar speakers!" can be detrimental in many cases.I wish you were correct, but I must strongly disagree here. This hobby is a niche of a niche. I know because I evangelize all the time. I have coworkers and friends experience my HT. They're blown away, and leave grinning every time. Not one has even bought a receiver and speakers. Most don't have an enclosed rectangular space or light control. Most can't justify the price tag, even for something like an Elac Debut/SVS SB1000 5.1 setup. Nuts like me? I buy my house based on where the HT space is going to go.And if - IF - you could convince people to buy more than one sub, you can be damn sure they'll be placed at the front of the room, right next to the right and left speaker with no consideration to how 60-ft long sound waves interact in a small space. The bottom line is that most people just don't care, even when they can hear and acknowledge the differences that can be had.

Discuss what, seems you agreed with me on all points.

Unlike you I can't tell you/anyone what people's situation is or what they see and hear.

I can tell you having made the PQ comparison between UHD disc vs UHD streaming several times.
Every person involved was able to "discern" the difference.

On the audio side there was no contest in "discerning" the difference!
This wasn't on what you defined as a "good system" either.

Imo people will clearly "discern" the difference.
Now whether they "care" to get it is a completely different "discussion".

FYI there are many many people including some that consider themselves audiophiles that say those "crappy" Atmos soundbars can rival speaker setups.

Out of curiosity what specific commercial Oled display(s) were you talking about that "comes close" to 10,000 nits!?

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awdspyder

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Out of curiosity what specific commercial Oled display(s) were you talking about that "comes close" to 10,000 nits!?

Not an OLED, unfortunately, but TCL's new X11L SQD-MiniLED. I haven't seen it in person yet, so I cannot vouch for the PQ. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a "brighter is always better" kind of guy. I've had OLEDs since the E6, so I'd probably have a tough time moving to MiniLED. It's tempting, though, as I hate being stuck at 83" but the wife would kill me if I brought home a 97" G5.

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They released Steelbook sets of the first 3 and the second 3 that had these upgrades, which I own. This seems to be the best version of the 1st, so grab it. I need to watch it still, but I've seen positive things.

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Quote from awdspyder

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Lastly, the exception to all of this is Kaleidescape, which provides digital downloads with very high bitrates and file sizes that are, in many cases, LARGER than the disc. In some cases, Kaleidescape offers the single-best copy of a movie available to the average consumer (there are even crazier ways to consume content if you're Tom Cruise or Jeff Bezos). Of course, Kaleidescape is a premium service, uses proprietary file formats, and only runs on their rather expensive (relatively speaking) equipment.

It is also digital only as you said and you don't own anything

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Discuss what, seems you agreed with me on all points.Unlike you I can't tell you/anyone what people's situation is or what they see and hear.I can tell you having made the PQ comparison between UHD disc vs UHD streaming several times.Every person involved was able to "discern" the difference.On the audio side there was no contest in "discerning" the difference! This wasn't on what you defined as a "good system" either.Imo people will clearly "discern" the difference.Now whether they "care" to get it is a completely different "discussion".FYI there are many many people including some that consider themselves audiophiles that say those "crappy" Atmos soundbars can rival speaker setups. Out of curiosity what specific commercial Oled display(s) were you talking about that "comes close" to 10,000 nits!?

I agree on pq even with a not great tv. Compression is compression, not taking into account color accuracy hdr etc, it's moot if you have a soft non laser sharpe image, despite any hdr adjustments. I'd rather have 1080 disc full bitrate than 4K hdr streams. The sound, I don't think people will tell on soundbar quality speakers. Unless the mix volume is lower bc of the stream vs the disc (may incorrectly think this is dynamics that are compressed when it's just level). Some movies have a filter to start reducing dB from 40Hz so if a HTIB sub can't go below 40Hz you're not really losing dynamics in that regard, but you are losing definition, which you probably won't notice unless you already have an articulate sub, which I don't think you will in HTIB. the highs again same story. For the stream, the bitrate is crushed compared to a 5,000+ bitrate of a Dolby true hd mix. I have also read that the Atmos channels for the height speakers are more compressed than every other speaker. You will notice the definition reduction even with the Klpsich RP II, which is posted now. I was shocked when I played lossless and heard the individual strings clearly defined of a guitar vs its lossy counterpart.

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Not an OLED, unfortunately, but TCL's new X11L SQD-MiniLED. I haven't seen it in person yet, so I cannot vouch for the PQ. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a "brighter is always better" kind of guy. I've had OLEDs since the E6, so I'd probably have a tough time moving to MiniLED. It's tempting, though, as I hate being stuck at 83" but the wife would kill me if I brought home a 97" G5.

Oh ok, yea zero interest here.

I calibrate all my oled displays, it's plenty bright for me.

If I cared enough about PQ I would go with tandem oled from LG/Panny.

FYI they do make 1:1 4k transfers already.
Not many & most aren't that great.

I own one, PQ is pretty good but got it for the audio.

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I agree on pq even with a not great tv. Compression is compression, not taking into account color accuracy hdr etc, it's moot if you have a soft non laser sharpe image, despite any hdr adjustments. I'd rather have 1080 disc full bitrate than 4K hdr streams. The sound, I don't think people will tell on soundbar quality speakers. Unless the mix volume is lower bc of the stream vs the disc (may incorrectly think this is dynamics that are compressed when it's just level). Some movies have a filter to start reducing dB from 40Hz so if a HTIB sub can't go below 40Hz you're not really losing dynamics in that regard, but you are losing definition, which you probably won't notice unless you already have an articulate sub, which I don't think you will in HTIB. the highs again same story. For the stream, the bitrate is crushed compared to a 5,000+ bitrate of a Dolby true hd mix. I have also read that the Atmos channels for the height speakers are more compressed than every other speaker. You will notice the definition reduction even with the Klpsich RP II, which is posted now. I was shocked when I played lossless and heard the individual strings clearly defined of a guitar vs its lossy counterpart.

lol you bought this for your 1080p PJ!?
You "read" about Atmos!?
Oh geez!

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