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KAMRUI Hyper H2 Mini PC: Intel Core 14450HX / 32GB / 1TB / 3x 4K Display / USB-C / WiFi 6 / BT5.2 / Win 11 Pro $459

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Was $20 cheaper 4 days ago...
This mini pc has been posted 11 times this year, with varying ram and storage sizes, with prices ranging from $390 to $513...
Last edited by ghostfreckle April 27, 2026 at 08:20 AM.
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novasianYesterday 03:18 PM
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Why can reputable companies like Lenovo or Dell offer these specs at the same price?
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porksmugglersYesterday 07:08 PM
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Quote from novasian :
Why can reputable companies like Lenovo or Dell offer these specs at the same price?
No reason to, the mini PC market is minuscule (pun intended). These are effectively NOS laptop kit, with insane markup. Would be a deal at $350.
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Do you still have to worry about malware coming preinstalled on these?
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Quote from porksmugglers :
No reason to, the mini PC market is minuscule (pun intended). These are effectively NOS laptop kit, with insane markup. Would be a deal at $350.
Actually, the "tiny PC" market isn't nothing. Both Dell and Lenovo sell micro form factor PC's for 2-4x this price, which is what @novasian might have been asking. A nicely equipped PC with 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD for $450 is a great deal. On the Apple side, maybe you've heard of the Mac Mini for $599? This form factor IS a thing...
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Quote from Alpha-Leader :
Do you still have to worry about malware coming preinstalled on these?
I would do a fresh install of the OS anyway on this Chinese products just to be on the safe side.
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Quote from Hat-Trick :
Actually, the "tiny PC" market isn't nothing. Both Dell and Lenovo sell micro form factor PC's for 2-4x this price, which is what @novasian might have been asking. A nicely equipped PC with 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD for $450 is a great deal. On the Apple side, maybe you've heard of the Mac Mini for $599? This form factor IS a thing...
I'm a retired industry analyst and still active in board repair and custom builds, but the numbers aren't even that hard to find for a consumer. It's a tiny market segment, and like I said the OEMs barely bother with it, and price accordingly. These are not "nicely equipped" PCs. They have the bullet points consumers are told to check off, and nothing more. Apple has single digit market share in the world market, but sure they make them too for a typical Apple price. At least the OEMs put some effort into their offerings, since they're typically geared toward small business. These mini PC exclusive brands have short lived BIOS support and / or security updates, virtually non-existent warranty support, and often there's malware preloaded, occasionally even in the firmware.
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porksmugglersToday 08:05 PM
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Quote from Alpha-Leader :
Do you still have to worry about malware coming preinstalled on these?
Yes, you do. Kamrui is what they call a "sub-brand" of Ace Magic. Basically, when the Ace Magician branding got all the negative press for malware, along came Kamrui. Same Redline clone malware has been found in the Kamrui as was found in the Ace Magician units, unsurprisingly. Backdoors and Trojans primarily, and a full wipe, while mandatory, would not cover firmware level malicious code, which the company would have full control over regardless of user efforts. They're a buyer beware, very useful for a cheap isolated media device, but I wouldn't have them on my primary network or use them for financials, etc.
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Quote from porksmugglers :
Yes, you do. Kamrui is what they call a "sub-brand" of Ace Magic. Basically, when the Ace Magician branding got all the negative press for malware, along came Kamrui. Same Redline clone malware has been found in the Kamrui as was found in the Ace Magician units, unsurprisingly. Backdoors and Trojans primarily, and a full wipe, while mandatory, would not cover firmware level malicious code, which the company would have full control over regardless of user efforts. They're a buyer beware, very useful for a cheap isolated media device, but I wouldn't have them on my primary network or use them for financials, etc.
That is what I was thinking. This seems like an attractive honeypot. I want a Moonlight linked pc for my theater, but I don't know if I want this on my network. Would swapping to Linux mitigate most of the concern, or would the firmware stuff most likely account for that too?
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porksmugglersToday 09:12 PM
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Quote from Alpha-Leader :
That is what I was thinking. This seems like an attractive honeypot. I want a Moonlight linked pc for my theater, but I don't know if I want this on my network. Would swapping to Linux mitigate most of the concern, or would the firmware stuff most likely account for that too?
OS independent unfortunately. AMD and Intel CPUs have effectively their own subsystem, IME for Intel, PSP for AMD, MINIX based for both I think. Runs even when the PC is off, but still powered from the wall. The custom firmware and BIOS of mini PCs can do the same fun stuff, not that I'm directly saying this company does as much. I do Moonlight on a variety of devices, but mostly tablets and TV sticks, etc. from reputable brands are what I would recommend for that use case. These mini PCs are fine, in certain use cases, but not where security would be a concern.
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Quote from porksmugglers :
I'm a retired industry analyst and still active in board repair and custom builds, but the numbers aren't even that hard to find for a consumer. It's a tiny market segment, and like I said the OEMs barely bother with it, and price accordingly. These are not "nicely equipped" PCs. They have the bullet points consumers are told to check off, and nothing more. Apple has single digit market share in the world market, but sure they make them too for a typical Apple price. At least the OEMs put some effort into their offerings, since they're typically geared toward small business. These mini PC exclusive brands have short lived BIOS support and / or security updates, virtually non-existent warranty support, and often there's malware preloaded, occasionally even in the firmware.
I'm not retired and still active in the business IT sector, and I find the micro form factor "tiny PC" is relatively popular in the business market (which is where the OEM's typically place them). I don't see them on the OEM's consumer sites. Most business users don't need a giant tower PC any longer and that's what makes these tiny PC's attractive as they take up little desk space (and some can be mounted to a monitor for zero footprint). As far as your remark about "priced accordingly"...both Lenovo and Dell tiny PC's were available around $800. Now, with everything so expensive, it's hard to find a mid-spec unit for less than $1500. Popularity? Who knows. Dell has sold micro form factor PC's forever.
The rest of your remark I'm not interested in. I wasn't recommending this no-name unit. I was just saying with 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD and 14th Gen CPU, for $450, the value is pretty good. It's always a risk buying no-name. A similar Dell micro form factor with same CPU, 32GB DDR5 and 1TB is over $1900 (custom configured). $459 vs $1927 makes this a good deal.
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MadPupToday 09:17 PM
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While this is a 14th gen CPU it still has less than 13th gen performance. Thanks, but no thanks, Intel. Forget AMD, they can't even beat their own previous gen CPUs.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/comp...i5-13450HX
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Quote from Hat-Trick :
I'm not retired and still active in the business IT sector, and I find the micro form factor "tiny PC" is relatively popular in the business market (which is where the OEM's typically place them). I don't see them on the OEM's consumer sites. Most business users don't need a giant tower PC any longer and that's what makes these tiny PC's attractive as they take up little desk space (and some can be mounted to a monitor for zero footprint). As far as your remark about "priced accordingly"...both Lenovo and Dell tiny PC's were available around $800. Now, with everything so expensive, it's hard to find a mid-spec unit for less than $1500. Popularity? Who knows. Dell has sold micro form factor PC's forever.
The rest of your remark I'm not interested in. I wasn't recommending this no-name unit. I was just saying with 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD and 14th Gen CPU, for $450, the value is pretty good. It's always a risk buying no-name. A similar Dell micro form factor with same CPU, 32GB DDR5 and 1TB is over $1900 (custom configured). $459 vs $1927 makes this a good deal.
You're not even trying IT guy, most SFFers put in more effort. Cherry pick a few more wild OEM prices, maybe someone won't price check them. It's exactly as I said, tiny market segment, including both consumer and business. If you worked for or with a Fortune 100 or even 500, you'd know what is actually purchased in volume around the country. It's laptops, from the largest market segment, not the smallest. No, this unit is not a good value for all the reasons discussed above.

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