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Product Details: - Engineered air mesh upper
- 3D Fit Print technology for stretch and structure balance
- DNA LOFT v3 nitrogen-infused midsole cushioning
- GuideRails holistic support system
- HPR heel for durability; blown rubber outsole
- One-piece outsole construction (reduced flex for pedorthic needs)
- Forefoot construction accommodates orthotics and high-volume feet
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So I mean if you are comparing a Ghost to the average shoe people in your podiatrist probably wear I'm sure it's great. Compared to almost anything from Nike, Adidas or Skechers it's a huge improvement. But it's not really made for people with flat feet.
The trick with flat feet (just going to use this term moving forward, same applies to overpronation) is that any shoe when new will feel okay or even good because the arch is new. But because we put a lot of weight on the arch the foam breaks down pretty rapidly and flattens out over just a few weeks and your brand new shoes don't feel much better than your worn out pair do.
So a few brands have stability shoes that use a dual density foam design to the bottom, putting a stiffer thicker foam in the arch that tapers towards the midfoot. That does two things, one it keeps your arch from breaking down the arch foam, and two, because the heel, outside and toe bed are all softer your weight sinks further into those which more naturally lifts your arch without applying a ton of pressure to it. The more aggressive shoes for flat feet may take this further and bring the stiffer foam just a little bit into the inside of the heel, which causes the outside of the heel to sink down more and that pretilts your foot "outward" to lift the arch up and remove some of the pressure on it.
NOW here is the important part, and why these shoes aren't more commonly made and worn. Because the foam IS dual density the shoe HAS to fit well. Normally if you buy a pair of shoes and you are a half size or even a size off, you won't feel the difference in the bottom, just in the looseness. With a dual density foam, if the shoe is too short, the stiffer foam is hitting too far into the heel and will feel like trash. Too long, hits into the footbed and feels like trash. Too narrow? This mostly just means it won't be AS GOOD at helping flat reduction, but it can still feel a lot different. And because of the stiffer foam you do NOT break in stability shoes. That shoe will feel pretty close to the same way in 300 miles as it does when you first try it on. And this wouldn't be as much of an issue, but as someone who owns a shoe company, most people, especially people with flat feet aren't wearing the right size shoes to begin with for various reasons. Over half the people I assist personally are at least a half size too small and most of them are a full size off.
So my personal suggestion is if it's at all feasible, go to an ASICS store or outlet, you want to try on the GT-2000s, the Gel kayanos and the GT-4000s. The GT-1000s are a budget stability line, and a decent shoe but the 2000s and especially Kayano's are worth the money. Try your normal size, try both left/right on at once (never mix and match shoes, like holding hot/cold things in your hands your brain can't tell which is feeling what). Then go up half a size, if it feels better go up another. Feel worse? Go back down. Then if they have it try a wider size, see if that feels better. Usually when I take people to do a fitting for a Gel Kayano (personally I think it's the best shoe on the market for mild to moderate overpronators, extreme should try a GT-4000 IF they can find somewhere to try them one), they will go "oh this shoe feels nice" then we change sizes "oh this is the best shoe I've ever felt" then we change sizes again or widths and literally their jaw drops and they are like "I didn't know shoes could feel like this?". It's hilarious and highly rewarding to do in person lol.
If you can't/don't have an ASICS store, other places would be nice running stores will USUALLY have Kayanos (call first), Dicks Sporting Goods USUALLY has Kayanos, but stock and sizes in stock is more hit and miss, my next pick would be a Brooks Adrenaline GTS, but that shoe is only good for mild overpronators. I mean it's a huge improvement over anything non stability, but it's just such a SLIGHT change that if you are going to spend the money get a GT, a Kayano, or even try the New Balance stability lines (can't recall the numbers right now, main reason I don't love them is historically they were heavy). Hoka also has the Gaviotta and the Arahi lines for stability. I personally am not a runner, so the more rounded bottom of HOKAs isn't something I am a big fan of for heavy walking/standing miles, but others love them. I think stability wise they are comparable to a GT2000 not as good as a Kayano, but much better than Brooks GTS line.
And to put into perspective the difference Kayano's made in my own life, when I was 16 I ran a couple of hours of basketball a day, weighed over a hundred lbs less and was 20~ years younger and I can handle more miles on my feet now without pain than I could then and it's not even close. Getting the sizing right is the big thing that can be annoying, but once you do I am not kidding when I say it's life changing.
Lol I wrote all this and forgot I had a link in my signature to a prior post describing all this. This post probably explains it better though, not sure.
https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=
Personally as someone who runs a shoe business, and has flat feet I hated the Beast 22 or 3 I got a few years ago. Easily the firmest shoe I have ever tried on. Barefeet on concrete felt softer somehow lol.
If you do overpronate/have flat feet and it's minor the GTS designation on Brooks is what you want to get. If you have more severe overpronation then you should just be looking at ASICS GT2000/Gel Kayano/4000s (least to most overpronation, if you don't know though the Kayano is popular with everyone regardless of their feet because it's an incredible shoe and you basically can't go wrong with it).
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The Beast is a motion control shoe made for extreme flat feet or overpronators. The Ghost Max 2 is basically the opposite of that in every way.
Personally as someone who runs a shoe business, and has flat feet I hated the Beast 22 or 3 I got a few years ago. Easily the firmest shoe I have ever tried on. Barefeet on concrete felt softer somehow lol.
If you do overpronate/have flat feet and it's minor the GTS designation on Brooks is what you want to get. If you have more severe overpronation then you should just be looking at ASICS GT2000/Gel Kayano/4000s (least to most overpronation, if you don't know though the Kayano is popular with everyone regardless of their feet because it's an incredible shoe and you basically can't go wrong with it).
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The Beast is a motion control shoe made for extreme flat feet or overpronators. The Ghost Max 2 is basically the opposite of that in every way.
Personally as someone who runs a shoe business, and has flat feet I hated the Beast 22 or 3 I got a few years ago. Easily the firmest shoe I have ever tried on. Barefeet on concrete felt softer somehow lol.
If you do overpronate/have flat feet and it's minor the GTS designation on Brooks is what you want to get. If you have more severe overpronation then you should just be looking at ASICS GT2000/Gel Kayano/4000s (least to most overpronation, if you don't know though the Kayano is popular with everyone regardless of their feet because it's an incredible shoe and you basically can't go wrong with it).
What would you recommend as a walking shoe for flat feet/minor flat feet? appreciate the help!
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What would you recommend as a walking shoe for flat feet/minor flat feet? appreciate the help!
So I mean if you are comparing a Ghost to the average shoe people in your podiatrist probably wear I'm sure it's great. Compared to almost anything from Nike, Adidas or Skechers it's a huge improvement. But it's not really made for people with flat feet.
The trick with flat feet (just going to use this term moving forward, same applies to overpronation) is that any shoe when new will feel okay or even good because the arch is new. But because we put a lot of weight on the arch the foam breaks down pretty rapidly and flattens out over just a few weeks and your brand new shoes don't feel much better than your worn out pair do.
So a few brands have stability shoes that use a dual density foam design to the bottom, putting a stiffer thicker foam in the arch that tapers towards the midfoot. That does two things, one it keeps your arch from breaking down the arch foam, and two, because the heel, outside and toe bed are all softer your weight sinks further into those which more naturally lifts your arch without applying a ton of pressure to it. The more aggressive shoes for flat feet may take this further and bring the stiffer foam just a little bit into the inside of the heel, which causes the outside of the heel to sink down more and that pretilts your foot "outward" to lift the arch up and remove some of the pressure on it.
NOW here is the important part, and why these shoes aren't more commonly made and worn. Because the foam IS dual density the shoe HAS to fit well. Normally if you buy a pair of shoes and you are a half size or even a size off, you won't feel the difference in the bottom, just in the looseness. With a dual density foam, if the shoe is too short, the stiffer foam is hitting too far into the heel and will feel like trash. Too long, hits into the footbed and feels like trash. Too narrow? This mostly just means it won't be AS GOOD at helping flat reduction, but it can still feel a lot different. And because of the stiffer foam you do NOT break in stability shoes. That shoe will feel pretty close to the same way in 300 miles as it does when you first try it on. And this wouldn't be as much of an issue, but as someone who owns a shoe company, most people, especially people with flat feet aren't wearing the right size shoes to begin with for various reasons. Over half the people I assist personally are at least a half size too small and most of them are a full size off.
So my personal suggestion is if it's at all feasible, go to an ASICS store or outlet, you want to try on the GT-2000s, the Gel kayanos and the GT-4000s. The GT-1000s are a budget stability line, and a decent shoe but the 2000s and especially Kayano's are worth the money. Try your normal size, try both left/right on at once (never mix and match shoes, like holding hot/cold things in your hands your brain can't tell which is feeling what). Then go up half a size, if it feels better go up another. Feel worse? Go back down. Then if they have it try a wider size, see if that feels better. Usually when I take people to do a fitting for a Gel Kayano (personally I think it's the best shoe on the market for mild to moderate overpronators, extreme should try a GT-4000 IF they can find somewhere to try them one), they will go "oh this shoe feels nice" then we change sizes "oh this is the best shoe I've ever felt" then we change sizes again or widths and literally their jaw drops and they are like "I didn't know shoes could feel like this?". It's hilarious and highly rewarding to do in person lol.
If you can't/don't have an ASICS store, other places would be nice running stores will USUALLY have Kayanos (call first), Dicks Sporting Goods USUALLY has Kayanos, but stock and sizes in stock is more hit and miss, my next pick would be a Brooks Adrenaline GTS, but that shoe is only good for mild overpronators. I mean it's a huge improvement over anything non stability, but it's just such a SLIGHT change that if you are going to spend the money get a GT, a Kayano, or even try the New Balance stability lines (can't recall the numbers right now, main reason I don't love them is historically they were heavy). Hoka also has the Gaviotta and the Arahi lines for stability. I personally am not a runner, so the more rounded bottom of HOKAs isn't something I am a big fan of for heavy walking/standing miles, but others love them. I think stability wise they are comparable to a GT2000 not as good as a Kayano, but much better than Brooks GTS line.
And to put into perspective the difference Kayano's made in my own life, when I was 16 I ran a couple of hours of basketball a day, weighed over a hundred lbs less and was 20~ years younger and I can handle more miles on my feet now without pain than I could then and it's not even close. Getting the sizing right is the big thing that can be annoying, but once you do I am not kidding when I say it's life changing.
Lol I wrote all this and forgot I had a link in my signature to a prior post describing all this. This post probably explains it better though, not sure.
https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=
Oh yeah you should avoid the Beast like the plague then. Would be better off running without shoes I think. Not a good fit for you at all. I have very slight Morton's toe issue, but honestly if your shoes are sized right that shouldn't be a problem.
Shoes should be snug in the heel, tight in the midfoot and ROOMY in the toebox. By that I mean "You shouldn't feel the sides or front of your shoe with your toes when seated. When you walk heel to toe, you roll off your toes, they spread to help your balance and even out the pressure. As a result if your shoes don't have room in the toe box for to happen all kinds of bad things happen including bunions and other long term damage to your feet and toes. You should almost feel like your toes are in slides lol, just without the air flow.
Personally I would suggest trying out the ASICS Novablast 4/5. It's usually 100-120 on sale, 150 MSRP (so cheaper than ghost but not cheap). Generally when looking at shoes I don't know a lot about OR shoes for people who aren't flat footed, I use RunRepeat as my starting place of information. Highly recommend checking them for NON flat foot reviews (they don't have flat feet, so their reviews on those don't mean much imo). Here is their current list for best running shoes for high arches.
https://runrepeat.com/guides/best...ning-shoes
The Beast is a motion control shoe made for extreme flat feet or overpronators. The Ghost Max 2 is basically the opposite of that in every way.
Personally as someone who runs a shoe business, and has flat feet I hated the Beast 22 or 3 I got a few years ago. Easily the firmest shoe I have ever tried on. Barefeet on concrete felt softer somehow lol.
If you do overpronate/have flat feet and it's minor the GTS designation on Brooks is what you want to get. If you have more severe overpronation then you should just be looking at ASICS GT2000/Gel Kayano/4000s (least to most overpronation, if you don't know though the Kayano is popular with everyone regardless of their feet because it's an incredible shoe and you basically can't go wrong with it).
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