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My friend lives in NJ. His car was stolen, stripped, and abandoned. The city is making him pay for the towing and impound fees.

26,675 2,340 September 3, 2010 at 06:15 AM in Rant
Does that seem right to anyone else? It's basically costing him over $350 to have his car stolen and, since he didn't have theft insurance, it's a total loss. The only possible redemption is going to be today if a mechanic offers him any money for the scrap.

WTF?

I'm not even going into how rude the city employees were to him or how they turned him away yesterday afternoon because they didn't think he could get a tow truck (at his own expense) to the impound lot before they closed at 4:45. OR how they wouldn't help his wife when she was there at noon, because they were all at lunch.

Please reserve any comments about him being dumb for not carrying a theft clause or whatever you call it on his insurance policy. It was an older Honda Civic and he didn't think it was worth insuring for very much. I'm not sure how all of that works but his deductible might even have been more than what he would've gotten for the car, if that applies.

I think it's infuriating that the city is forcing him to pay towing and impound fees when his car was stolen! Does he have any recourse here? Maybe he can deduct the cost of the fees from his taxes or something? Who should he contact?

My friend is a really nice guy--I would've raged out on those impound lot employees for sure. My buddy said he knows when he's defeated and he's licking his wounds and counting his losses, and that his anger is reserved for the car thieves. I understand that, but really, it looks to me like the city's just adding insult to injury here.

Anyone have any experience with this?

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09-03-2010 at 05:37 PM.
09-03-2010 at 05:37 PM.
Quote from veritableqndry :
Nope, sorry, disagree. In the homeowner's case there was no one who should have been responsible for stopping the storm. In this case the very same people who should've prevented the car theft in the first place are the ones demanding money for not doing their job!
VQ,
With all due respect (because I'm not trying to get into with youSmilie), but how would it have been the city's or police's responsibility to prevent the car from being stolen? Should the city have uniformed cops at every street corner in the entire city? I don't quite understand.
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09-03-2010 at 05:38 PM.
09-03-2010 at 05:38 PM.
Well, why not pass the 'cost" on to the people who are responsible for the crimes. While I realize that those particular people who stole the car may not have been caught, TPTB could start a fund for victims of crime such as theft...where those sort of costs are paid. The money would come out of the fines and such of the people who are caught.If need be, raise the fines to cover such things.
Many places have victims funds that are funded by fines and restitution
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.teri.
09-03-2010 at 05:41 PM.
09-03-2010 at 05:41 PM.
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Shouldn't they have identified the car as stolen before they tow it? I think the city SHOULD be responsible for this.
No, not if it's parked on city property and is in undrivable condition such as missing tires,windows, etc. Then it has to be moved. They could have at least contacted the owners though and given them the option to move it themselves.
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Nope, sorry, disagree. In the homeowner's case there was no one who should have been responsible for stopping the storm. In this case the very same people who should've prevented the car theft in the first place are the ones demanding money for not doing their job!
I don't understand how a car theft is different than a home theft. Was the car parked in an area where police could see it was being vandalized? You are saying they should have stopped it so I'm thinking maybe the police saw it happening and did nothing? If so, I would be very angry as well. I'd be angry anyway just because it happened to me.

My friend had a car stolen years ago, and the police told her the same thing "we rarely catch these guys". Actually what they meant was "your insurance paid you for another car so we're not going to bother looking for it"
About a month after it was stolen (from the parking lot at the mall) we went shopping (in her new car). We actually pulled up and parked beside her stolen car. The only things the theives did was put in new sun visors. They didn't even paint it. We called the police and they came and did nothing. They said "you already have a new car, this one now belongs to the insurance company and they wont pursue it"....EEK! Of course, I wasn't going to accept that answer so we waited and an older lady came out and got in the car and drove to the other side of the mall to a department store. We followed her, then approached her and told her we were college students doing a reasearch project on smokers and told her if she would answer a few brief questions she would be entered into a drawing for a new TV. So we asked her some bogus questions and then got her name, phone number and address. Later we drove by her house and the car was parked in the drive. Again we called the police and they did nothing. Next day, we called the insurance company and they said they wouldn't pursue it. So, we called her and asked her about the car, which she says her son 'bought' her. She was an older lady so we just let it go and thanked her for her time.
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09-03-2010 at 05:43 PM.
09-03-2010 at 05:43 PM.
Quote from faeryedark :
Well, why not pass the 'cost" on to the people who are responsible for the crimes. While I realize that those particular people who stole the car may not have been caught, TPTB could start a fund for victims of crime such as theft...where those sort of costs are paid. The money would come out of the fines and such of the people who are caught.If need be, raise the fines to cover such things.
Many places have victims funds that are funded by fines and restitution
Well, that's usually how it works--that is, the victim of a crime can sue the person who commited the crime. So, if they caught thief who stole VQ's friend's car, then he can go back and sue the thief for all that he's out (car's worth, impound fees, and towing fees). However, in the mean time, I don't think anyone else would be legally or morally responsible for those expenses except for the owner of the car.

Sure, it sucks. But, that's life. Like when thieves went into my business and stole about $2000 worth of high-end designer sunglasses, I was out all that money. I knew that the only way I could collect was if they caught the guys and I sue them for my loss. Or, I could file a claim with my business insurance. I chose not to because it wasn't worth the increase in premiums.
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09-03-2010 at 05:47 PM.
09-03-2010 at 05:47 PM.
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No, not if it's parked on city property and is in undrivable condition such as missing tires,windows, etc. Then it has to be moved. I do think they should have left some type of tag on it though alerting the owners to move it themselves or have it towed at the city's expense.


I don't understand how a car theft is different than a home theft. Was the car parked in an area where police could see it was being vandalized? You are saying they should have stopped it so I'm thinking maybe the police saw it happening and did nothing? If so, I would be very angry as well. I'd be angry anyway just because it happened to me.

My friend had a car stolen years ago, and the police told her the same thing "we rarely catch these guys". Actually what they meant was "your insurance paid you for another car so we're not going to bother looking for it"
About a month after it was stolen (from the parking lot at the mall) we went shopping (in her new car). We actually pulled up and parked beside her stolen car. The only things the theives did was put in new sun visors. They didn't even paint it. We called the police and they came and did nothing. They said "you already have a new car, this one now belongs to the insurance company and they wont pursue it"....EEK! Of course, I wasn't going to accept that answer so we waited and an older lady came out and got in the car and drove to the other side of the mall to a department store. We followed her, then approached her and told her we were college students doing a reasearch project on smokers and told her if she would answer a few brief questions she would be entered into a drawing for a new TV. So we asked her some bogus questions and then got her name, phone number and address. Later we drove by her house and the car was parked in the drive. Again we called the police and they did nothing. Next day, we called the insurance company and they said they wouldn't pursue it. So, we called her and asked her about the car, which she says her son 'bought' her. She was an older lady so we just let it go and thanked her for her time.
Wow....I would have at least told the woman. If she's pulled over by a cop, couldn't she be arrested for possessing stolen property?

By the way, where do you live? What kind of crazy town is that where cops don't care when you have found your stolen car and the person driving it? I have friends who are cops. They would have followed up on it because it's an open and shut case for them when you have a person right there driving the reported stolen car! And, cops get reviewed based on arrests. It would be an easy arrest for them.
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09-03-2010 at 05:53 PM.
09-03-2010 at 05:53 PM.
Quote from z2g :
Wow....I would have at least told the woman. If she's pulled over by a cop, couldn't she be arrested for possessing stolen property?

By the way, where do you live? What kind of crazy town is that where cops don't care when you have found your stolen car and the person driving it? I have friends who are cops. They would have followed up on it because it's an open and shut case for them when you have a person right there driving the reported stolen car! And, cops get reviewed based on arrests. It would be an easy arrest for them.
We did tell her but she said her son told her he bought it for her. We didn't see any reason in upsetting her or maybe even putting ourselves in danger with her son the auto thief. It was bad enough the part of town we were driving around in trying to find her house. It was in the most dangerous part of the city. My friend had another car that she actually liked better and we did contact both the police and the insurance company so we did all we could do.

This was in the south laugh out loud in Charleston. I'd like to think things have changed since then, but I doubt it has. I don't think random car theft is high on the priority list unless it's part of a bigger operation.
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09-03-2010 at 06:07 PM.
09-03-2010 at 06:07 PM.
So, now we're accepting theft and robbery as a fact of life? Is that what you guys are telling me? That the taxes I pay that fund the police department aren't enough to ensure that I can live in a safe area with no expectation of my private property being stolen? That I have to pay extra for insurance because demanding that the police do their job is pointless?

I can't speak for my friend but I think I could support higher taxes if they went to pay for more cops on the street and that, in turn, directly led to a decrease in property and other crimes. In fact I'd rather pay higher taxes for that result than be forced by circumstance to purchase insurance against the day when I become the victim of a crime, and then get told "well what did you think was going to happen, you went out and bought something, of course someone was going to take it away from you, by the way you owe us more money for cleaning up after the thief."

I'm not sure anything is going to change my opinion about that but you're welcome to keep telling me how it's going to be my fault when I'm robbed. Oh, unless I pay someone else who promises to replace my stuff. Wait--there's a word for that, what is it... bulb EXTORTION!

I'll tell you something else--I'm more pissed about this than my buddy. I made him promise to go to the next town council meeting and raise hell. He wasn't going to do anything and I said I'd come up there this weekend and kick his ass until he did. laugh out loud No, it's not my fight, but I'm still mad as hell about this! And not in the least because of the shitty attitude they gave him at the impound lot ("we're at lunch, come back later," and "oops it's too late today come back tomorrow btw that'll be another $30"). WTF! Ranting
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09-03-2010 at 06:32 PM.
09-03-2010 at 06:32 PM.
I'm starting to see VQ's side of this. There should be a cop assigned to every person who would follow them around 24 hours of every day. This way there could be no crime because everyone would always be under surveillance. Whee
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09-03-2010 at 06:33 PM.
09-03-2010 at 06:33 PM.
No VQ, at least that's not what I'm saying. Or maybe I am. It's sad but even with more police officers there will still be theft, murder, robbery. There may be less, but it will still exist and any of us can be a victim. There have always been theives and there always will be. My mom's house was broken into at Christmas time. She lost alot of valuable items and was out of pocket for her deductible, not to mention the things she could never replace. But, she didn't blame the police for that, she blamed the thief.
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09-03-2010 at 06:40 PM.
09-03-2010 at 06:40 PM.
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I'm starting to see VQ's side of this. There should be a cop assigned to every person who would follow them around 24 hours of every day. This way there could be no crime because everyone would always be under surveillance. Whee
I give up! You guys win. I guess I'll start putting money aside in case I ever get robbed. Always pay extortion insurance dues for everything kids! And the attitude from government employees? You deserve it because you're a bad person!
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09-03-2010 at 06:43 PM.
09-03-2010 at 06:43 PM.
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No VQ, at least that's not what I'm saying. Or maybe I am. It's sad but even with more police officers there will still be theft, murder, robbery. There may be less, but it will still exist and any of us can be a victim. There have always been theives and there always will be. My mom's house was broken into at Christmas time. She lost alot of valuable items and was out of pocket for her deductible, not to mention the things she could never replace. But, she didn't blame the police for that, she blamed the thief.
I'm not blaming the cops--I understand the thief is the bad guy here and my friend said the same thing. What I'm saying is that it's a goddamned shame when you are the victim of a crime and the people you pay to prevent that kind of thing, instead of saying "how can we help you recover from this," tell you "too bad, so sad," and stick their hand out--no, worse than that, they FORCE you to pay more money on top of that! And the answer is, "well you should've been paying extra money all along because everyone knows we can't protect you from this kind of thing, so it's your fault, sucks to be you!"
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09-03-2010 at 06:45 PM.
09-03-2010 at 06:45 PM.
Doesn't the city or state have a crime victims fund to help (in full or part) to reimburse someone like your friend? Have him call the city prosecutor's office to find out. They're the ones that would handle the prosecution if the perp(s) are ever caught and they would ask for funds from the crime victim's fund to assist the victim at sentencing. Maybe your friend could apply now since he filed a police report and suffered a loss. Such funds are usually paid for by an additional amount tacked on to fines people pay.
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09-03-2010 at 06:45 PM.
09-03-2010 at 06:45 PM.
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I'm not blaming the cops--I understand the thief is the bad guy here and my friend said the same thing. What I'm saying is that it's a goddamned shame when you are the victim of a crime and the people you pay to prevent that kind of thing, instead of saying "how can we help you recover from this," tell you "too bad, so sad," and stick their hand out--no, worse than that, they FORCE you to pay more money on top of that! And the answer is, "well you should've been paying extra money all along because everyone knows we can't protect you from this kind of thing, so it's your fault, sucks to be you!"
I understand what you're saying. It's like being victimized twice.
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09-03-2010 at 06:46 PM.
09-03-2010 at 06:46 PM.
VQ, I have sympathy for your friend. I have been in his situation, both financially and on the wrong side of the theft thing. For years I drove cars worth a few hundred dollars because it was all I could afford. The cost of the liability insurance alone was almost enough to keep me from paying my other bills. While I have never had a whole car stolen I did find my truck one day with the tires stolen off of it. Now, my first thought was to call the police, but it wasn't to ask them why the hell they didn't prevent the theft. It was to report the theft. Now you are telling me that my second call should have been to the city to ask for a check to cover my loss?

In the end my tires were found and I got them back. They had been removed from the rims and had to be remounted and balanced. I was pissed about having to pay for that. But it never occurred to me than anyone but the thief should have been responsible for that cost. I chose not to pursue that but had the thief not been caught I would never have expected someone else to cover the costs.

I have also had a few other semi-valuable items stolen from me over the years and my house was broken into twice. But it wasn't the fault of the police or the city.
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09-03-2010 at 06:47 PM.
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That happened to me. The car was stolen and abandoned in northern MA. I had to pay to have it towed or the police were going to issue a...something.
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