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Ever been ripped off by a car mechanic?

1,489 217 December 12, 2010 at 12:43 PM in Autos Yahoo! Web Hosting

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noungning
12-14-2010 at 01:56 PM.
12-14-2010 at 01:56 PM.
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Ha ha you paid asian girl prices
Down you probably paid the same. Harhar
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12-14-2010 at 02:00 PM.
12-14-2010 at 02:00 PM.
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Down you probably paid the same. Harhar
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Piccaboo
12-14-2010 at 02:00 PM.
12-14-2010 at 02:00 PM.
Quote from oynot :
From the internet:
Unfortunately, there's a dark side to flat rate billing, and it comes from the top. Many mechanics will be paid based only on how many billable hours -- what the flat rate book says -- he accumulates. On top of this, management puts lots of pressure on the technicians to bill as much as humanly possible. If they fall below a certain number of hours per day, the techs have problems. And it doesn't matter why the day went slower. Left in a position where one slowed repair can put him behind, lose him money, and get the bosses breathing down his neck, some mechanics will rush the job and take short cuts. That's when the flat rate system can fail.

So a slow mechanic is in trouble? And a speedy mecanic wins? I'd rather pay whatever it takes for a job well done than pay these fat rate plans.

Let's agree to disagree.

but the Business Owner is also required to turn that core in for credit ASAP as well

When does ownership of a part taken from my car go to the repair shop?? WTF? They charge a disposal fee and turn around and sell it!! Ha.
You still don't understand the dynamics of a Dealership - which is where Flat Rate comes into play - there is a Service Manager whom writes up a ticket for every car that comes in - depending on the problem - he and only he - will decide which Technician will get that vehicle - will he give an experienced Technician a serious problem car - YES - will he give a less experienced Technician a vehicle with a lesser problem - YES - Technicians jobs are to fix the problem the first time round - if there is a "come back" - it means the Technician does the job again and doesn't get paid for it - therefore - it is up to them to do the job the first time "correctly" - and not cut corners to screw it up for it to "come back" - comprehend! No Technician likes a slow day, week or whatever - because that also means they are not making any money either - other than their standard weekly paid fee.

There are plenty of very, very good Technicians whom can do the job in less time than it takes because they have done it over and over again, and have found ways to do it in less time. Same with a Carpenter, he has learned his trade and learned how to do unnecessary things that cost him time and money - especially someone skilled in Millwork - whom specializes in detail wood work. I know, as we have someone whom comes into our home just for this purpose and his skills are awesome - and he has told us how he learned how to cut out the unnecessary things in order to complete a job better and faster, but still have it done properly and professionally - and he is the ONLY one allowed to work inside our home.

So you can think whatever you want - BUT when you do find that one very highly skilled Technician - as I've said before - develop a rapport with them - and make sure you hold onto them - as they will definitely not rip you off - as they normally carry their own business cards - and they stake their reputation on their work.

I'll say it again, their is sludge at the bottom of any industry, I've seen it - many of you have - you want to pick a field go ahead, and you'll find the sludge at the bottom, or even in the middle.


The Core that is being returned, has a charge on the bill when the part is purchased Doh and if the shop does not return the Core - they are charged in full for it - they make no money off the Core - the parts vendor is the one whom is returning the Core(s) and if there is any money made off of them - it is on their part - not the Shop's part - gawd you know nothing about running an Automotive Business shake head

And no, I won't agree to disagree with someone whom knows nothing about how an Automotive Shop is run and how the billing of parts takes place, especially Core Charges nod
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Fallacy
12-14-2010 at 02:02 PM.
12-14-2010 at 02:02 PM.
Quote from oynot :
When does ownership of a part taken from my car go to the repair shop?? WTF? They charge a disposal fee and turn around and sell it!! Ha.
Huh They don't charge a disposal fee for the core. They can charge a disposal fee for tires, oil, etc.

Go to your local auto store (autozone, advanced auto part, etc.) and try to buy something that has a core, unless you return the "used" one, they'll charge you more.
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12-14-2010 at 02:07 PM.
12-14-2010 at 02:07 PM.
Quote from oynot :
If I work on a project for two hours, I expect to get paid for two hours. I couldn't in good conscience work on a project for two hours and bill for three just because I can do something faster and just as well as the average monkey.

Why should car repairs be anything different unless you're out to rip someone off?
If you have your own business you can charge whatever you want, if you work for someone and you can do the work in 2 hours that takes an average person 3 hours, you'll either get paid more or you're being taken advantage off and should switch jobs.

/free life lesson
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BayArea
12-14-2010 at 02:43 PM.
12-14-2010 at 02:43 PM.
Piccaboo- some people will never understand the costs of running a business, especially one that is highly labor intensive and requires the tech to continually go back to school and keep up on the current knowledge. They think we are bajillionares looking to rip off every person we see.

I'm not in the mechanic field, but do work in the automobile industry. Just like piccaboo said, theirs bad shops/people in every industry.
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12-14-2010 at 02:46 PM.
12-14-2010 at 02:46 PM.
I just hate it when I go into a mechanic or audio equipment shop for free service and they don't provide me with free service. farking bajillionares Mad
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12-14-2010 at 03:07 PM.
12-14-2010 at 03:07 PM.
Quote from BayArea :
Piccaboo- some people will never understand the costs of running a business, especially one that is highly labor intensive and requires the tech to continually go back to school and keep up on the current knowledge. They think we are bajillionares looking to rip off every person we see.

I'm not in the mechanic field, but do work in the automobile industry. Just like piccaboo said, theirs bad shops/people in every industry.
I think ppl tend to associate value with the actual amount of time it takes to do a service. They NEVER put into account the expertise. And, that's really what you often pay for....NOT the exact time frame it takes. So, a lot of the expertise takes a lot of schooling and training to master.

Thus, ppl always complain about the fees that doctors, mechanics, car audio/tint installers, and plumbers charge.
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Piccaboo
12-14-2010 at 03:08 PM.
12-14-2010 at 03:08 PM.
Quote from IVIax :
Huh They don't charge a disposal fee for the core. They can charge a disposal fee for tires, oil, etc.

correct !

Go to your local auto store (autozone, advanced auto part, etc.) and try to buy something that has a core, unless you return the "used" one, they'll charge you more.
correct !

Quote from IVIax :
If you have your own business you can charge whatever you want, if you work for someone and you can do the work in 2 hours that takes an average person 3 hours, you'll either get paid more or you're being taken advantage off and should switch jobs.

/free life lesson
correct !

Quote from BayArea :
Piccaboo- some people will never understand the costs of running a business, especially one that is highly labor intensive and requires the tech to continually go back to school and keep up on the current knowledge. They think we are bajillionares looking to rip off every person we see.

I'm not in the mechanic field, but do work in the automobile industry. Just like piccaboo said, theirs bad shops/people in every industry.
correct !

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I just hate it when I go into a mechanic or audio equipment shop for free service and they don't provide me with free service. farking bajillionares Mad
correct - I think Scratchchin

Applause Thank you all - there are some that understand and some that are just what is the word I'm looking for Censored2
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BayArea
12-14-2010 at 03:28 PM.
12-14-2010 at 03:28 PM.
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I just hate it when I go into a mechanic or audio equipment shop for free service and they don't provide me with free service. farking bajillionares Mad
Rofl2 I gotta rep you for that one
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12-14-2010 at 03:30 PM.
12-14-2010 at 03:30 PM.
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Rofl2 I gotta rep you for that one
I also hate optometrists who don't provide life time warranties Mad
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moey
12-14-2010 at 03:50 PM.
12-14-2010 at 03:50 PM.
Quote from Piccaboo :
Also, some old parts cannot be given/shown back, as there is a "core charge" for them, that the shop has to pay for - therefore, they go back for credit on the shop's bill.
Do that many repair shops use rebuilt parts? I always have worked on cars myself and thought most mechanics just put new (non rebuilt) parts on cars. I always put rebuilt parts on my cars but it has come back and bit me in the ass.
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Dark_Saber
12-14-2010 at 03:51 PM.
12-14-2010 at 03:51 PM.
I hope not. . .my mechanic is my father in law
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Piccaboo
12-14-2010 at 05:58 PM.
12-14-2010 at 05:58 PM.
Quote from moey :
Do that many repair shops use rebuilt parts? I always have worked on cars myself and thought most mechanics just put new (non rebuilt) parts on cars. I always put rebuilt parts on my cars but it has come back and bit me in the ass.
No, parts are ordered from vendors, whether it be a Dealership that parts need to come from, or a "jobber" that the parts need to come from. Where we are there is a huge Auto Warehouse that stocks many parts for all makes and models for automobiles. But if it's a Lexus and you need brakes for it - you must get them from a Lexus Dealership, because that is the only place that will have them in stock that day you are changing the brakes - unless you want to call up the customer and tell them they need to wait one more day or two - until the brakes are delivered from the "jobber".

Rebuilt parts almost never - unless agreed upon between the customer and the owner - such as an engine or a transmission - which is a big ticket item. Then it comes down to whether or not depending on the vehicle whether you want a factory rebuilt engine/trans with a warranty - or one that comes without. There are too many variables with that scenario - but the customer is always advised as to what is what.

Who would ever put in a used timing belt, used brakes, used radiator, used power steering pump, etc. Just plain stupid, imho.
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oynot
12-14-2010 at 05:58 PM.
12-14-2010 at 05:58 PM.
If I padded my timesheet I'd get fired. If a mechanic pads there timesheet they get a smile?

What other industries can do this fat rate thing and get away with it?
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