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Police pepper spray peaceful students @ Davis

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Police pepper spray peaceful students
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11-23-2011 at 01:30 PM.
11-23-2011 at 01:30 PM.
Quote from z2g :
Maybe I missed this, but has anyone who has been pro-protesters suggested another means for the police to disperse the crowd? Or, do they suggest that they should just let the protesters camp out anywhere they want for as long as they want?

I'm just curious what pro-protesters' solution would be.
Pretty sure they'd prefer them to be allowed to break the law. Yay anarchy!
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11-23-2011 at 01:33 PM.
11-23-2011 at 01:33 PM.
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Jesus Christ just shut the fark up. You clearly have zero idea what you're talking about.
Neither do you...

Since saying that what MLK did would deserve the same type of response according to your falied logic would be equalted to racism.. You just can't admit your true colors

So keep hiding behind that "IT'S THE LAW" justification... Just like those who hide behind the "IT'S IN THE BIBLE" justification
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11-23-2011 at 01:35 PM.
11-23-2011 at 01:35 PM.
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Neither do you...

Since saying that what MLK did would deserve the same type of response according to your falied logic would be equalted to racism.. You just can't admit your true colors

So keep hiding behind that "IT'S THE LAW" justification... Just like those who hide behind the "IT'S IN THE BIBLE" justification
Wow.. just.. wow. I really have no need to prove that I'm not racist to you. Whatever dude.. believe what you want.

And yes, I'll sit behind the "it's the law" justification because it's right and you're wrong, period.
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11-23-2011 at 01:36 PM.
11-23-2011 at 01:36 PM.
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Pretty sure they'd prefer them to be allowed to break the law. Yay anarchy!
That's the thing I'm trying to understand. The whole Occupy Movement is all about camping out for an extended amount of time. Are the pro-protesters ppl here trying to say that it should be okay for these ppl to camp out basically forever and ever and ever. For as long as they please?

Because if that's the case, that would certainly make life interesting. Any group of homeless ppl can band together under the guise of any political point of view and camp out at any location forever under the pretense that it's a "protest".

Wouldn't that be nice?
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11-23-2011 at 01:36 PM.
11-23-2011 at 01:36 PM.
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Maybe I missed this, but has anyone who has been pro-protesters suggested another means for the police to disperse the crowd? Or, do they suggest that they should just let the protesters camp out anywhere they want for as long as they want?

I'm just curious what pro-protesters' solution would be.

So you are saying that protest should be broken up right...

And that people have NO constitutional rights to make their voices heard no matter how long they wish to do it...

So you are ok if the gov't or the police or whoever has the power gets tired of hearing a protest they can shut it down...
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11-23-2011 at 01:37 PM.
11-23-2011 at 01:37 PM.
Quote from z2g :
Maybe I missed this, but has anyone who has been pro-protesters suggested another means for the police to disperse the crowd? Or, do they suggest that they should just let the protesters camp out anywhere they want for as long as they want?

I'm just curious what pro-protesters' solution would be.
afaik so far pulling apart the human chain (even though you stated that's may not be an option without potential injury to protests or police), wacking with baton, water from fire hose, tickling, and chloroform were mentioned. The last 2 were mockingly from me. Stick Out Tongue
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11-23-2011 at 01:38 PM.
11-23-2011 at 01:38 PM.
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That's the thing I'm trying to understand. The whole Occupy Movement is all about camping out for an extended amount of time. Are the pro-protesters ppl here trying to say that it should be okay for these ppl to camp out basically forever and ever and ever. For as long as they please?

Because if that's the case, that would certainly make life interesting. Any group of homeless ppl can band together under the guise of any political point of view and camp out at any location forever under the pretense that it's a "protest".

Wouldn't that be nice?
Fortunately, people will eventually get bored and give up on this. Maybe they'll even realize they need jobs.
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11-23-2011 at 01:38 PM.
11-23-2011 at 01:38 PM.
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Wait...I thought it was a pricate college campus? If so, that's not public. And we can play the "if" game all day if you want. I'd be willing to bet that if a senior citizen, person in a wheelchair, etc walked up to them, they'd gladly move aside and let them through. If someone is levelheaded enough to have a peaceful protest to voice their opinions, what automatically makes you guys think that they would choose to be dickheads to everyone? How exactly would that help their cause and help them gain supporters? Some of these hypothetical scenarios that people come up just don't seem like they have an iota of thought put into them.
You have been playing the what if game. However, I am not playing the what if game. Laws are meant to be in place for a reason.You can't park in front of a fire hydrant because there might be a fire. You cant block an emergency exit, because there might be an emergency.
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11-23-2011 at 01:39 PM.
11-23-2011 at 01:39 PM.
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Wow.. just.. wow. I really have no need to prove that I'm not racist to you. Whatever dude.. believe what you want.

And yes, I'll sit behind the "it's the law" justification because it's right and you're wrong, period.
Cool so I take it that MLK and his band of blacks were LAWBREAKERS, because the LAW said so..

And they didn't follow the LAW so they got treated to some POLICE BRUTALITY

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You don't need to admit to anything, your statements have already spoke volumes of your personal beliefs
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11-23-2011 at 01:42 PM.
11-23-2011 at 01:42 PM.
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That's the thing I'm trying to understand. The whole Occupy Movement is all about camping out for an extended amount of time. Are the pro-protesters ppl here trying to say that it should be okay for these ppl to camp out basically forever and ever and ever. For as long as they please?

Because if that's the case, that would certainly make life interesting. Any group of homeless ppl can band together under the guise of any political point of view and camp out at any location forever under the pretense that it's a "protest".

Wouldn't that be nice?
Tell that to your fellow Califorians



Where the fark are those cops to take down that unsightly messwave
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11-23-2011 at 01:42 PM.
11-23-2011 at 01:42 PM.
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Cool so I take it that MLK and his band of blacks were LAWBREAKERS, because the LAW said so..

And they didn't follow the LAW so they got treated to some POLICE BRUTALITY

nod

You don't need to admit to anything, your statements have already spoke volumes of your personal beliefs
Yup, sure. The did break the law. Is that what you want to hear? Great. Glad we got that out in the open.

Did the deserve the type of violence that was used against them? Absolutely not.

Did they actually have a reasonable issue with how they were being treated? Yup.

Do these occupy protesters? Nope.

Did the occupy protesters deserve what they got? Absolutely based on the techniques used for force by the police.


Guess what though? Laws change and law enforcement policies change and get better and have since the 60s. And if you still think that comparing this movement to the civil rights movement is in anyway warranted, you really are an idiot whose mind will never be changed by logic.

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Tell that to your fellow Califorians



Where the fark are those cops to take down that unsightly messwave
Funny, I don't see them blocking a sidewalk and breaking a law. I guess we can let them support their dumb cause.
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11-23-2011 at 01:44 PM.
11-23-2011 at 01:44 PM.
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So you are saying that protest should be broken up right...

And that people have NO constitutional rights to make their voices heard no matter how long they wish to do it...

So you are ok if the gov't or the police or whoever has the power gets tired of hearing a protest they can shut it down...
You're NOT answering my question directly but are dancing around it! I'm asking a simple question. What do you wish to happen then? Do you then think that the cops should do nothing and allow these ppl to camp out for as long as they wish?

If that's what you think, that's fine. But please say it. I'm not talking about the individual's right to protest. We all know the answer to that. I'm talking about what to do with ppl camping out on public or private property for an indefinite amount of time. Should it be allowed with the potential that it may go on for a long, long time?

Forget about whether it blocks traffic or not. I'm going to put that aside. Let's say it's a park on the side of the road. Do you think the protesters should be allowed to camp out there for as long as they want?
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11-23-2011 at 01:44 PM.
11-23-2011 at 01:44 PM.
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Just because you aren't caught doesn't mean it's not illegal. If I break the law by jaywalking or by speeding and I get a ticket fine. I'm not going to resist arrest for breaking the law.

How would you have handled it? Do absolutely nothing? Without enforcing laws you're just asking for anarchy. It is baffling how you and others don't understand that there is nothing wrong with how this was handled.
I'm not against upholding the law, I just think many laws are stupid and outdated (no, I'm not particularly referring to this law)...however, if a cop pulled you over for going 1 MPH over the speed limit and told you to get out of the car and put your hands on the hood, you really mean to tell me you're not going to question why the excessive procedure for simply driving a tiny bit too fast? Not one single question? And if you asked, "What did I do officer that I need to get out and be searched?", could he not interpret that as a "resistance" to his "order"? And if you were pepper sprayed at that point, would you really tell yourself that "I guess I should of just shut my mouth and done what the officer told me."?

Point being is that unnecessary extremes were gone to in this scenario to "resolve" a peaceful protest that was no where within a couple hundred feet of any campus building (as best I could tell), when it could of just been let go, and to let them protest peacefully.

The problem I see (in this thread anyway), is that many don't agree with the views of the protesters, so you will find any excuse to justify the unneeded actions of law enforcement.

STOP for a second before you hit reply...let it sink in a bit.... And lie to yourself that this isn't the truth of it.
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11-23-2011 at 01:46 PM.
11-23-2011 at 01:46 PM.
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You're NOT answering my question directly but are dancing around it! I'm asking a simple question. What do you wish to happen then? Do you then think that the cops should do nothing and allow these ppl to camp out for as long as they wish?

If that's what you think, that's fine. But please say it. I'm not talking about the individual's right to protest. We all know the answer to that. I'm talking about what to do with ppl camping out on public or private property for an indefinite amount of time. Should it be allowed with the potential that it may go on for a long, long time?

Forget about whether it blocks traffic or not. I'm going to put that aside. Let's say it's a park on the side of the road. Do you think the protesters should be allowed to camp out there for as long as they want?
why bother having any constitutional right to assemble and make one's voice heard when you are going to be told its time to leave or get the fark out...

You think people should be restricted to a time limit in how long they can protest something
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11-23-2011 at 01:48 PM.
11-23-2011 at 01:48 PM.
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As mentioned already, it could of been handled better on the students part, but it wasn't. In watching the second video halfway down the page, I didn't see a building within 200ft of the protesters, so not really sure what they were "blocking". *IF* that is actually a public campus (and not the private University Campus which I thought it said), then yes, they were technically breaking the law. But again as mentioned earlier, everyone probably breaks the law 50x a day. So if you're going to be so gung-ho about the cops upholding this piss-ant law, then why haven't any of you had a guilty concscience and turned yourself in for speeding on your drive into work this morning, or jaywalking when you grabbed some lunch? If you want the gung ho mentality, does it not apply to you as well?
this was the end of the original "occupation" which was the students had pitched tents and what not.
The protesters were told by the university and given the 3PM deadline to clear the sidewalk area.

Most of protesters took down their tents and moved their protest to the grass on the side, its only these few stubborn morons decided to become martyrs.
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