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Police pepper spray peaceful students @ Davis

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Police pepper spray peaceful students
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z2g
11-23-2011 at 03:07 PM.
11-23-2011 at 03:07 PM.
Quote from Ryu-bom :
if you want a answer it is NO

Your right to protest is ABSOLUTE and any attempts by the gov't to bypass or circumvent your right to protest is UNCONSTITUTIONAL

So no the police or the gov't have no right to break up any protest against them. If the gov't wants to break up any protest all they need to do is ADDRESS the protestors

Any attempt to use gov't police force to disband a protest is a criminal act by the gov't, a gov't who refuse to listen to its people by using its thugs to breakup any dissent is a crime .. This is exactly why the Founding Fathers want its people to be armed and not the gov't itself

By the way, why have my comments been "non-sense"? Just because someone doesn't agree with you and your argument, it doesn't mean that their argument isn't compelling. You should really open up your mind and allow to see both sides of the debate. It'll allow you to understand the topic even more.




Yea I'm insulting people......laugh out loud

this is why I don't bother responding to your nonsense... I only humor you once in a while
So, my question to you was whether you think it's okay for protesters to camp out anywhere they want and for as long as they want. Your answer was no.

But, you state that their right to protest was "ABSOLUTE". So, how should the police deal with protesters who have camped out for days, weeks, or months on private or public property and refuse to leave?

Are you implying that the government should give into their demands so they'll leave? What if the protesters demanded that segregation be enacted again?
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Landers
11-23-2011 at 03:09 PM.
11-23-2011 at 03:09 PM.
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Awww.... is people's excercising therir constitutional right a annoyance to you....shake head
Do you wish the gov't would just come down and beat and kill them all, maybe even torture them a bit for fun.. And then send them to re-education camps

Don't mistake my support for the RIGHT TO PROTEST to my support of OWS or Occupy Movement..

Again it proves my point that you don't care much about freedom or rights, and would gladly see people abused and taken out when you DO NOT LIKE THE MESSAGE..
What in the hell are you talking about? laugh out loud
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Iaaaiws
11-23-2011 at 03:10 PM.
11-23-2011 at 03:10 PM.
Quote from Ryu-bom :
Cause kids sitting on a sidewalk is ILLEGAL ( when did sitting on a sidewalk equates to PILLIAGING Confused), but MLK marching on the street with no permit either is not illegal ?...

Both events the police asked them to leave... and well we all know how standing your ground turned out for both.. But keep thinking its ok to be pepper sprayed at point blank range...

HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep hiding behind that... ok

Just admit it, you feel that all LAWBREAKERS deserve a tough form of justice and that MLK and his band of marchers were no different in the eyes of the LAW.. and they all got what they deserved to disobey POLICE ORDERS and THE LAW
Oh, oh, you are so close to hitting on a rational argument. If you can just turn off the hate and really think about what you are saying you might possibly grasp it. Seriously, you are almost there. If you can think independently of your biases for just a little while you might realize how to put this together in a way that makes sense.
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Ryu-bom
11-23-2011 at 03:16 PM.
11-23-2011 at 03:16 PM.
Quote from z2g :

Are you implying that the government should give into their demands so they'll leave? What if the protesters demanded that segregation be enacted again?
Any you wonder why I don't bother around with your nonsense....

Where did I say "give into" their demands... I said address their demands

Its one thing to let people voice their demands and meet their voice with a fair debate, its another thing to say fark off or we will send our gov't thugs to do it for us

Somehow that concept seem alien to you in a country where people have the right to petition their gov't or those in power
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z2g
11-23-2011 at 03:26 PM.
11-23-2011 at 03:26 PM.
Quote from Ryu-bom :
Any you wonder why I don't bother around with your nonsense....

Where did I say "give into" their demands... I said address their demands

Its one thing to let people voice their demands and meet their voice with a fair debate, its another thing to say fark off or we will send our gov't thugs to do it for us

Somehow that concept seem alien to you in a country where people have the right to petition their gov't or those in power
It's apparent that you're not capable of critical thinking and forming a rational argument. You keep spewing the same argument that it's the ppl's given right to protest. But, you're dancing around questions directed to you that are valid questions.

Thus far, I think I've been very fair and open minded with my comments to you. Yet, you think I am going against you. I have a very strong suspicion that you're either still in high school or only a year or two in college.
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Iaaaiws
11-23-2011 at 03:35 PM.
11-23-2011 at 03:35 PM.
Quote from Ryu-bom :
And that people have NO constitutional rights to make their voices heard no matter how long they wish to do it...
You seem to be confused. The constitution doesn't guarantee anyone that their voices be heard. It just guarantees that they may speak. You can have your free speech, but I am not forced to listen to it.
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Iaaaiws
11-23-2011 at 03:39 PM.
11-23-2011 at 03:39 PM.
Quote from Ryu-bom :
why bother having any constitutional right to assemble and make one's voice heard...
Again, you have no right for your message to be heard. Just the right to open your mouth and let the gibberish flow. When that act interferes with the rights of others your right stops.
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11-23-2011 at 03:45 PM.
11-23-2011 at 03:45 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
You seem to be confused. The constitution doesn't guarantee anyone that their voices be heard. It just guarantees that they may speak. You can have your free speech, but I am not forced to listen to it.
Also, I think Ryu-bom is confused when it comes to freedom of speech and freedom to protest. From what I learned in school (and correct me if I'm wrong), it means that the government can't stop you from speaking your mind/opinions. It doesn't mean that you can say whatever you want without any repercussions. Hence, as often used in law classes, you can't enter a crowded theatre, yell fire, create a panic where ppl are trampled and hurt, and then claim it's was your freedom of speech to absolves you from legal or civil liability.

Likewise, the government can't stop its citizens from protesting. However, if you do it on private property or block traffic, they can cite you and kick out.

Ryu-bom has the belief that as long as you're exercising your Constitutional right to protest, it absolves you from any other laws you may be breaking.
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AngryPirate
11-23-2011 at 03:46 PM.
11-23-2011 at 03:46 PM.
Quote from z2g :
Yeah, I think that would be a decent "punishment" and alternative. After some time, the fine will start really piling up and I'm sure the "poor", "starving" college students will quit because they wouldn't want to contend with paying such a large fine.

My only concern would be whether the students would openly give up their ID for the cops to cite them. Do you think they would do that?
At that point, the cop should remind them that failing to provide proper identification (or at least a means for the officer to check the protester in the system) they could be arrested. If a protester is still unwilling to comply because of belligerence, then I'd be fine with them being arrested. However, if a student simply doesn't have an ID on him (for example), but is willing to provide the officer SSN, DL number, or any other info the officer requests in order to issue the citation, I see no need for arrest.

Again though, this doesn't mean that I agree with the cops being needed in the first place.
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Iaaaiws
11-23-2011 at 03:49 PM.
11-23-2011 at 03:49 PM.
Quote from Ryu-bom :

Where did I say "give into" their demands... I said address their demands
Remind me again exactly what these students who were pepper sprayed were demanding?
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AngryPirate
11-23-2011 at 03:59 PM.
11-23-2011 at 03:59 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
Remind me again exactly what these students who were pepper sprayed were demanding?
I'm pretty sure they wanted deep fried rabbit for Thanksgiving, but the school would only offer fiestada.
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11-23-2011 at 04:04 PM.
11-23-2011 at 04:04 PM.
Quote from AngryPirate :
I'm pretty sure they wanted deep fried rabbit for Thanksgiving...
yummy Best served with a lot of pepper....

Hey wait, Mad
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11-23-2011 at 04:06 PM.
11-23-2011 at 04:06 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
yummy Best served with a lot of pepper....

Hey wait, Mad
laugh out loud

pig might be on the menu as well.
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OhNoItsDEVO
11-23-2011 at 05:30 PM.
11-23-2011 at 05:30 PM.
Quote from Ryu-bom :
Any you wonder why I don't bother around with your nonsense....

Where did I say "give into" their demands... I said address their demands

Its one thing to let people voice their demands and meet their voice with a fair debate, its another thing to say fark off or we will send our gov't thugs to do it for us

Somehow that concept seem alien to you in a country where people have the right to petition their gov't or those in power
And if they address their demands, but not to the protesters satisfaction, should the protesters be allowed to stay as long as they want?
Even if they are being a public nuisance, and infringing on other peoples rights?
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11-23-2011 at 06:16 PM.
11-23-2011 at 06:16 PM.
Quote from Ryu-bom :
if you want a answer it is NO

Your right to protest is ABSOLUTE and any attempts by the gov't to bypass or circumvent your right to protest is UNCONSTITUTIONAL

So no the police or the gov't have no right to break up any protest against them. If the gov't wants to break up any protest all they need to do is ADDRESS the protestors

Any attempt to use gov't police force to disband a protest is a criminal act by the gov't, a gov't who refuse to listen to its people by using its thugs to breakup any dissent is a crime .. This is exactly why the Founding Fathers want its people to be armed and not the gov't itself




Yea I'm insulting people......laugh out loud

this is why I don't bother responding to your nonsense... I only humor you once in a while
So why did he have to ask you multiple times a simple question...?

Because you are so spun up with posting MKL pictures, etc...instead...brilliant way to gain a shred of credibility for your "arguments"... which are actually just argumentative...yet totally lacking in substance...Nice move!!!
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Quote from z2g :
Also, I think Ryu-bom is confused when it comes to freedom of speech and freedom to protest. From what I learned in school (and correct me if I'm wrong), it means that the government can't stop you from speaking your mind/opinions. It doesn't mean that you can say whatever you want without any repercussions. Hence, as often used in law classes, you can't enter a crowded theatre, yell fire, create a panic where ppl are trampled and hurt, and then claim it's was your freedom of speech to absolves you from legal or civil liability.

Likewise, the government can't stop its citizens from protesting. However, if you do it on private property or block traffic, they can cite you and kick out.

Ryu-bom has the belief that as long as you're exercising your Constitutional right to protest, it absolves you from any other laws you may be breaking.
My freedom of speech is free of liability...I can say anything I want to...as long as no one actually hears what I said...:ohsnap!:
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