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Please help if you can - the internet needs you!
December 16, 2011 at
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http://americancensors hip.org/
http://stopcensorship. org/
Yesterday I watched about three hours of this debate online [keepthewebopen.com] - the advocates for keeping the internet free (Reps. Lofgren, Issa, Chaffetz, and Polis, mainly) are fighting hard against a cadre of old technophobes who admit that they have no idea how the internet works or what it does.
The "good guys" managed to keep proposing amendments long enough that the debate was held over until today. They're starting again at 1000 EDT - roughly 90 minutes from now.
I don't know what else can be done but if you haven't already, PLEASE visit the first link and do as much as you can. If you have time & are willing to call, do that. If you can send email or sign petitions, do that. Educate yourself about the issue to be sure you agree - but I think any rational reasonable person will realize that this is a bad, bad bill and a horrible idea. The second link is another petition you can sign to have a Senator read your name during a filibuster of the Senate bill (right now the two bills are in committee).
I can't explain it any better than they do at stopcensorship.org so I won't try. Suffice to say that the internet as we know it could be drastically changed (IMO for the worse) should this bill pass.
I'll be watching as much as I can today - the third link has a live stream of the committee chambers.
Thanks.
http://stopcensorship.
Yesterday I watched about three hours of this debate online [keepthewebopen.com] - the advocates for keeping the internet free (Reps. Lofgren, Issa, Chaffetz, and Polis, mainly) are fighting hard against a cadre of old technophobes who admit that they have no idea how the internet works or what it does.
The "good guys" managed to keep proposing amendments long enough that the debate was held over until today. They're starting again at 1000 EDT - roughly 90 minutes from now.
I don't know what else can be done but if you haven't already, PLEASE visit the first link and do as much as you can. If you have time & are willing to call, do that. If you can send email or sign petitions, do that. Educate yourself about the issue to be sure you agree - but I think any rational reasonable person will realize that this is a bad, bad bill and a horrible idea. The second link is another petition you can sign to have a Senator read your name during a filibuster of the Senate bill (right now the two bills are in committee).
I can't explain it any better than they do at stopcensorship.org so I won't try. Suffice to say that the internet as we know it could be drastically changed (IMO for the worse) should this bill pass.
I'll be watching as much as I can today - the third link has a live stream of the committee chambers.
Thanks.
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This bill is probably going to pass, make no mistake - our only real hope is that someone can get enough amendments cleared to slow it down when it's implemented.
It looks like the majority for NOW (recess until 1PM) is NO. 8 voted I, 20 voted nay.
in addition, there isn't a "loser pays" clause, so like with the RIAA suits of years past, these huge rightsholders with hundreds of millions of dollars in capital will deliver papers and the supposed violator will probably settle and pay a fine because they don't have the resources to fight the legal battle. if the justice department has to be involved, they would judge each case on its worth and not bring suits that are frivolous, but when rightsholders are allowed to go straight to the alleged violators, there is nothing to stop them from moving with frivolous suits with basically no chance of losing.
after watching a small portion of the proceedings (an hour or so), i think the major disconnect is that supporters of the overall bill really think it will only be used to go after really malicious sites that host viruses, phishing schemes, and counterfeit goods. as a result, they're all about passing it and getting those who are out there preying on both individuals and content rights holders. but those who actually understand the language and how the internet currently works realize that it can and probably will be used by content rights holders to eliminate a lot of valid and legal expression along with the malicious or offending content. not really sure how that divide can be bridged.
in addition, there isn't a "loser pays" clause, so like with the RIAA suits of years past, these huge rightsholders with hundreds of millions of dollars in capital will deliver papers and the supposed violator will probably settle and pay a fine because they don't have the resources to fight the legal battle.
after watching a small portion of the proceedings (an hour or so), i think the major disconnect is that supporters of the overall bill really think it will only be used to go after really malicious sites that host viruses, phishing schemes, and counterfeit goods. as a result, they're all about passing it and getting those who are out there preying on both individuals and content rights holders. but those who actually understand the language and how the internet currently works realize that it can and probably will be used by content rights holders to eliminate a lot of valid and legal expression along with the malicious or offending content. not really sure how that divide can be bridged.
Good chance our next major war will be a cyber war.
The bill displayed there is the actual SOPA bill itself.
The bill displayed there is the actual SOPA bill itself.
(forgive me for my lack of knowledge when it comes to politics. I hate how the system works).
(forgive me for my lack of knowledge when it comes to politics. I hate how the system works).
They're back from recess btw and calling roll now. Should be starting debate again in a few minutes.
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This bill is the dumbest of them all. Along with the other Senate bill here https://slickdeals.net/f/3629284-Senators-Demand-the-Military-Lock-Up-American-Citizens-in-a-Battlefield-They-Define-as-Being-Right-Outside-Your-Window?v=1
hearingsmarkup was on.We attack other countries to enable their citizens to secure their "freedom", but here the government is trying to take our "freedom" away from us?
WHY: Chaffetz suggests a hearing with experts. Astoundingly, Smith is open to the idea and agrees, therefore the motion is carried.
WHAT: The session is over without a vote. The deliberations will resume in 2012 (this was the last day of work for Congress this year) with experts participating but there is no mention of who those experts are or will be. I am unclear if they agreed to have experts or if they agreed to consider having experts.
UHH: The term "classified hearing" was used, I don't know what it means. According to common sense and some quick internet research, classified hearings would be closed to the public, not shown on tv, and the records would not be available until such a time as they were declassified.
IS THIS GOOD OR BAD: IT IS VERY GOOD. As long as the bill isn't voted on and passed, it cannot go further down the assembly line of legislation. The extra 3 weeks or so of reprieve gives the opponents of SOPA time to mobilize further and enlist more aide.
WHAT DO: Keep contacting your representatives. Call them. Mail them letters. Tell your friends, tell your family. Time works in our favour.
Twitter accounts worth watching (thanks to [1] m_i_rite)
[2] Darrell Issa
[3] Jarred Polis (mistakenly called Sanchez by some)
[4] Zoe Lofgren
[5] Jason Chaffetz
edit: I'll keep adding to this if/when people or myself fill in more data.
some more reading:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/20...from-sopa/
http://www.reddit.com/r/explainli...eli
http://motherboard.vic
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These are the people who are debating this right now. And we have like 4 or 5 representatives on our side, and they're getting shot down left and right.
Thanks for starting this thread!