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I am tired of all of these bandwagon PBS fans.

5,642 884 October 7, 2012 at 10:53 PM in Rant
All I see is a bunch of retards pretending to be PBS viewers because Mitt Romney doesn't like PBS and wants to get rid of the CPB.

Seriously, fark the whole lot of them. I hope they all die choking on ham sandwiches.

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Last Edited by calistyle October 7, 2012 at 11:43 PM
Quote from DBC :
I think you are misunderstanding me. Frown

I hate the all of the people who are part of the new PBS is cool, and I am also cool because I watch PBS trend. The old viewers, the ones who are loyal viewers are the ones that I have real respect for.

These people, the new fans are no different than the people who didn't care for/hated America before 9/11 and suddenly became neocons right after the towers were brought down.

And just so you know, I watch the newshour ever night, and most of the their primetime programs. I've got much love for my local PBS and NPR stations even though they have tried to censor programming and love to pimp the catholic church on their channels.
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10-08-2012 at 09:53 AM.
10-08-2012 at 09:53 AM.
Quote from DBC :
All I see is a bunch of retards pretending to be PBS viewers because Mitt Romney doesn't like PBS and wants to get rid of the CPB.

Seriously, fark the whole lot of them. I hope they all die choking on ham sandwiches.
I just googled this because I had not heard about Romney wanting to cut funding. That's pretty sad since it's an awesome educational outlet for all ages. I watched it as a kid, I still watch some shows everyday. Myself and family have also volunteered at events over the years to raise money to help keep them going.

I guess I'm not surprised. It's available without cable which some people can't afford and well.......fark those people right? Ayn Rand would be proud.

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Curtieson
10-08-2012 at 10:01 AM.
10-08-2012 at 10:01 AM.
I just skipped to the last couple of posts...but nothing says that PBS needs to shut it's doors if the government stops giving them money...if people REALLY want PBS...they will watch it. if people watch it, it will easily get advertisements and pay for itself.

If people don't want it / would rather watch 20 hours of sponge bob a day, then they won't watch PBS, ratings will die, and the station will go out of business because people really don't want to watch it.

I agree 100% in letting the market decide.

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Quote from Iaaaiws :
The point is that we shouldn't be borrowing money from China to fund it. If there is so much support for it and the shows are something that people want to watch then PBS should easily be able to generate the funding it needs to keep it on the air without subsidies from the government.
There's the stuff! Someone did mention it already.
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Ryu-bom
10-08-2012 at 11:29 AM.
10-08-2012 at 11:29 AM.
PBS has a bunch of Nature shows and Science shows ( NOVA ), and cooking shows as well....

How people don't find at least something to watch on PBS is beyond me.
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10-08-2012 at 12:09 PM.
10-08-2012 at 12:09 PM.
Quote from Curtieson :
I just skipped to the last couple of posts...but nothing says that PBS needs to shut it's doors if the government stops giving them money...if people REALLY want PBS...they will watch it. if people watch it, it will easily get advertisements and pay for itself.

If people don't want it / would rather watch 20 hours of sponge bob a day, then they won't watch PBS, ratings will die, and the station will go out of business because people really don't want to watch it.

I agree 100% in letting the market decide.

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There's the stuff! Someone did mention it already.
Did you see this?
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Cutting PBS support (0.012% of budget) to help balance the Federal budget is like deleting text files to make room on your 500Gig hard drive - Neil deGrasse Tyson
He's right. And as another poster on this thread pointed out, PBS stations in some of the smaller cities and/or poorer areas where there aren't enough people or wealth to fully fund the station rely on up to 50% of their budget from that federal support. Should those people in poor areas, who have children who really need the extra educational programs, not be allowed to watch the shows?

Come on, we're talking about 0.012% of the federal budget. Pick something that will make an actual dent in our spending, not PBS. I suspect it was a very clever ploy to drag people into this pointless argument so we wouldn't focus on what Romney really intends to cut from the budget. He claims he has a plan yet he won't share any specifics.
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10-08-2012 at 12:16 PM.
10-08-2012 at 12:16 PM.
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I suspect it was a very clever ploy to drag people into this pointless argument so we wouldn't focus on what Romney really intends to cut from the budget. He claims he has a plan yet he won't share any specifics.
What would be nice is if Obama and the liberals would at least acknowledge that there is a spending problem and that problem needs to be addressed. They just keep spending more and more and won't take on the fact that many of their pet entitlement programs are unsustainable and headed for complete failure. Then they demonize any conservative who attempts to make cuts and say they are the ones trying to "take things away" from the poor people. In reality they (conservatives) are the ones trying to save the programs for people in the future while the liberals seem content to let them all fail and let the future politicians deal with it then. If they were sincerely worried about the people they would be trying just as hard to save the programs and make them self-sustaining.
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Curtieson
10-08-2012 at 12:18 PM.
10-08-2012 at 12:18 PM.
Quote from Zoe Moon :
He's right. And as another poster on this thread pointed out, PBS stations in some of the smaller cities and/or poorer areas where there aren't enough people or wealth to fully fund the station rely on up to 50% of their budget from that federal support. Should those people in poor areas, who have children who really need the extra educational programs, not be allowed to watch the shows?

Come on, we're talking about 0.012% of the federal budget. Pick something that will make an actual dent in our spending, not PBS. I suspect it was a very clever ploy to drag people into this pointless argument so we wouldn't focus on what Romney really intends to cut from the budget. He claims he has a plan yet he won't share any specifics.
If the shows are needed, they will be picked up by another station. No one said Big Bird has to die...Big Bird just has to stop feeding off the Government's teet and learn to live on his own. If PBS did go under the license for Sesame Street would EASILY get picked up by some station if it is as important as you say it is...

Clearly the private sector has spoken and would rather have their children watch Dora than a green curmudgeon in a trash can.

It doesn't matter it is "only" .01%...you need to start somewhere...why not start in a place that has hundreds of competitors?
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10-08-2012 at 12:20 PM.
10-08-2012 at 12:20 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
How clueless does someone have to be to conclude that Romney doesn't like PBS?

The point is that we shouldn't be borrowing money from China to fund it. If there is so much support for it and the shows are something that people want to watch then PBS should easily be able to generate the funding it needs to keep it on the air without subsidies from the government.

Forcing PBS to compete with other stations would likely even improve programming and improve the quality of the shows that are aired. Currently there is no need to step up and make improvements because the money is going to keep rolling in from the government no matter how little effort they put in.

It's a lot like General Motors. They got into trouble by making cars for years that nobody wanted to buy. Instead of letting GM fail and forcing them to restructure under Chapter 11 and change the way they do business Obama bails them out with taxpayer money and essentially gives more power to the unions and "saves the auto industry" And what happens? GM continues to build cars that nobody wants to buy like the Chevy Volt and the only way to get people to buy them is to subsidize the sales with even more taxpayer money and money borrowed from China.

PBS has plenty of good shows that should be popular enough to compete with other stations. I say give them a chance to prove they are worth keeping around without the subsidies.


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PBS makes enough money to support itself. It doesn't need any help.
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10-08-2012 at 12:24 PM.
10-08-2012 at 12:24 PM.
Quote from Zoe Moon :
Should those people in poor areas, who have children who really need the extra educational programs, not be allowed to watch the shows?
It would be interesting to see how many of those kids are actually watching these educational programs now. I have no idea, maybe they really are watching them more than others but I tend to suspect that they aren't tuning in all that often.
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10-08-2012 at 12:28 PM.
10-08-2012 at 12:28 PM.
Please keep funding PBS....if funding is cut...Honey Boo Boo will be living on Sesame Street for ratings!
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10-08-2012 at 12:30 PM.
10-08-2012 at 12:30 PM.
so when will the gov't stop funding CORN farmers and OIL industries, or INDUSTRIES that lifeblood are from gov't contracts?
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10-08-2012 at 12:33 PM.
10-08-2012 at 12:33 PM.
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Mitt Romney is trying to say that he will balance a deficit that is trillions of dollars and get millions of people back to work by cutting $130M from the budget and firing 6500 people. Does that add up to you?
This is the problem with the argument, as Romney said no such thing, though that it how the argument has been framed by Romney's detractors.

It's an example that was made to get the discussion going about the role of government. I think that Romney is right, and eliminating funding to many, many federal programs is going to help us get on the path to solvency, but he most certainly did not say that cutting government funds to PBS would balance the budget. Anyone making that claim is being disingenuous at best.
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10-08-2012 at 12:35 PM.
10-08-2012 at 12:35 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
What would be nice is if Obama and the liberals would at least acknowledge that there is a spending problem and that problem needs to be addressed. They just keep spending more and more and won't take on the fact that many of their pet entitlement programs are unsustainable and headed for complete failure. Then they demonize any conservative who attempts to make cuts and say they are the ones trying to "take things away" from the poor people. In reality they (conservatives) are the ones trying to save the programs for people in the future while the liberals seem content to let them all fail and let the future politicians deal with it then. If they were sincerely worried about the people they would be trying just as hard to save the programs and make them self-sustaining.
Romney plans to increase military spending by a huge amount...
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10-08-2012 at 12:39 PM.
10-08-2012 at 12:39 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
It would be interesting to see how many of those kids are actually watching these educational programs now. I have no idea, maybe they really are watching them more than others but I tend to suspect that they aren't tuning in all that often.
I can't speak for today's kids but when I was a kid (60's/70's) everyone I knew watched Sesame Street and other shows on PBS.

It's not just Sesame Street that's in jeopardy here. I currently watch Masterpiece Theater (also Masterpiece Mystery, Classic, etc.), the Oregon Field Guide (great program if you're in the PNW), Great Performances, Nova, Antiques Roadshow, Austin City Limits and This Old House. So there's a lot of entertainment for the adults too. And yes we donate as much as we can afford each year.

But again, why won't Romney tell us about the big ticket items he intends to cut? That concerns me. FWIW, I'm an independent and before you try to say otherwise, I have voted in past elections for both Democratic and Republican candidates.

Edit: Don't forget too, that 0.012% covers not only to PBS TV broadcasting but also the radio stations, which have some brilliant and original shows. Like This American Life, Radio Lab, Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, The Moth, The Tobolowsky Files, etc.
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10-08-2012 at 12:43 PM.
10-08-2012 at 12:43 PM.
here's a thought, maybe Romney should use a BETTER example of gov't wasteful funding then PBS...

Does he care that we are funding a military plane that will never fly and been on the books for over a decade? Nope

But that liberal PBS need to be shut down... He had plenty of other gov't waste to make examples of, yet he chose to attack PBS
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10-08-2012 at 12:50 PM.
10-08-2012 at 12:50 PM.
Quote from Ryu-bom :
But that liberal PBS need to be shut down...
People actually think Sesame Street has an agenda besides Letters and Numbers? Or is that just what the liberals are saying to make it seem worse?
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